“Fetterman?” one speaker yelled from a stage near the steps of City Hall.
“Jagoff!” protesters shouted back in unison.
“Fetterman?”
“Jagoff!”
in Fetterman’s case, it describes a politician who campaigned as a Bernie Sanders–loving populist and vowed to help Democrats advance their priorities past the party’s two obstructionists, Sens. Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin—only to reprise their roles once in Congress and cozy up with Republicans.
“He ran in the 2022 primaries against Joe Manchin, and now he’s become Joe Manchin,” says Mike Mikus, a longtime Democratic operative in Pennsylvania. “An unprincipled Manchin.”
He’s sided with Republicans on denying immigrants due process, voted to confirm a 2020 election denier to lead the Department of Justice, and approved a GOP budget that freed Trump to slash spending without oversight. His recent actions have enraged progressives, mystified colleagues, and alarmed former and current aides.
I mean, regardless of anecdote or how people feel, stroke survivors personalities shifting and becoming more selfish, conspiratorial, and hateful is a well known and documented medical phenomena. Like many such things, it happens in some cases and not others, and on a spectrum of impact.
I don’t know if anyone, Fetterman included, knows for sure the truth.
The behavior that results following brain damage usually correlates with where the brain damage occurs.
To say that this would fully explain Fetterman is to pretend that there is a single imaginary area of the brain that works as a moral compass and his was completely wiped out following his stroke.
That’s not to say he couldn’t be more easily manipulated or persuaded by outside forces because of the brain damage.
With a stroke, the whole brain is being affected. It’s a partial or complete lack of oxygen.
Everything is on the table.
https://www.stroke.org/en/help-and-support/resource-library/lets-talk-about-stroke/personality-changes
Everything is on the table. Something like production of speech into meaning can be damaged following a stroke, so that somebody could very clearly write down what they want to say but lose the ability to verbally express the same words.
There is no single area of the brain that fully regulates or controls moral behavior. Even with global damage you would expect to see decreased functioning of several areas. You might expect randomness or inconsistencies in behavior, but this seems like a pretty consistent pattern for him. That’s what makes it hard to believe brain damage is the full explanation.
You made a claim.
I made a scientific claim that counters yours with evidence from a trusted, scientific source.
Either cite a scientific source that directly states such a personality change cannot occur in this way from a stroke, or you’re just arguing against science with vibes and feels and no one here needs to take you seriously.
You’re confusing personality and morality.that’s a shitty way to put that, sorry.Those are two separate things.
I never argued that a personality change couldn’t occur. Personality change in humans following a brain lesion from an injury is neuroscience 101.
That is not what this is.
I’m arguing that Fetterman’s support of things that contradict who he (still to this day, claims to be) are harmful to the people he is supposed to represent should not be excused as simply a consequence of his stroke.
Edit: So this ended up making me interested in just looking more into the neuroscience of morality.
Damage to the prefrontal cortex is associated with an increase in utilitarian moral judgements. Damage to the prefrontal cortex increases utilitarian moral judgements(2008)
Damage to the amygdala (vs frontal) actually seemed to cause a breakdown of utilitarian moral behavior Breakdown of utilitarian moral judgement after basolateral amygdala damage
Participants with hippocampal damage were also less likely to choose the utilitarian option Hippocampal Damage Increases Deontological Responses during Moral Decision Making
Conversely, this 2022 paper found brain damage itself is not a significant predictor: Intact moral decision-making in adults with moderate-severe traumatic brain injury
A 2025 study looking at both frontal and non frontal brain damage found that individuals with brain damage did indeed seem to make incorrect judgments about intention and blame worthyness and we’re more likely to be punitive to an antagonist in scenarios they were presented compared to healthy controls. They also found in that in this scenario moral judgment ratings did not differ between frontal and non‐frontal lobe damage (but note a small sample size of frontal lobe damage). Impact of brain damage on moral judgment
This wasn’t a study of brain damage, but really interesting in terms of difference in morality networks of conservative vs liberals:
Moral reasoning displays characteristic patterns in the brain, with distinctions between moral categories
If it could be shown that following his stroke and recovery, his brain for example re-wired to function in a morally conservative way, it would makes him less culpable for his actions, but it also raises an interesting question. If voters elected a Democrat who then “became a conservative,” should he have considered stepped down because he could no longer represent the people that elected him?
Still don’t see any sources for any of these claims.
I’ve had a stroke. I didn’t become more selfish, conspiratorial, or hateful. I just became more sympathetic to brain trauma survivors after relearning how to walk.
Fetterman just sucks.
Like I said above, the outcomes are spread across a wide spectrum of impact. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
But yeah, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t suck.