I think the dog’s paw is on the ground when the yelp starts tbh. It’s pretty plausible that he is using a training collar and he overreacts here to the dog simply moving around because he’s clearly in a shitty mood. Also like pretty plausible that the dog yelping in pain without checking on it makes me think he knows what caused the yelp already so he doesn’t need to check.
I don’t really think it’s that bad but then I own dogs and know that noise is definitely a spoiled dog overreacting with a yelp of surprise rather than anything that really hurt it at all.
People far more online then me have ID’d the collar she has on, its a Air Tag collar you can buy off amazon. Dan Saltsman and Destiny’s orbiters as well as Ethan Klein are circulating a photoshopped image of a shock collar on Kaya in r/lsf and on twitter/threads.
It’s like 15 pixels in two frames and they’re on different sides of what is likely an airtag collar. Nothing suggests LEDs as opposed to just reflections on metal or plastic
The source of the LEDs claim is a Zionist Destiny anti-Hasan subreddit. You are reposting them and spreading their narrative.
I’m not reposting anything. I literally took these screenshots myself, I’m not some idiot that took these from Reddit or Twitter. It’s obvious this not a normal collar. It’s obvious it’s not a reflection. couldn’t care for a “steamer narrative”. I’ll believe my own eyes thanks.
Hasan himself is saying the collar "has the capacity to vibrate ".
I never said it was a shock collar. I just said it was not an ordinary dog collar and could be something else. Which is the truth. Pretty sure a vibration collar meets the criteria of “something else”.
Now I have no idea what it is, but it’s not an ordinary collar. Could be an airtag, could be something else.
Can we please stop putting words in my mouth. It’s incredibly dishonest.
Cool you took the same screenshots that DDGers did because it is in total like 6 frames in a short video. They are the ones claiming to see LEDs. You are certain they are LEDs, but have exactly zero reason to think so except for preexisting DDGer narratives.
I personally don’t have a strong opinion on the dog collar because, just like you, I know nothing about it except it has an airtag size circle on it.
This reads so much like concern trolling. Do you have any specific evidence that it’s a shock collar rather than any of the much more common things it could be? No? Then maybe don’t shrug in epistemic suspense like Klein’s and Destiny’s troll farms make credible claims.
“No narrative” Oh, so you were just watching his stream, saw this happen, and came to this conclusion independently when you stumbled on all these other people saying it?
I actually saw all the clips on twitter to be honest. I don’t use twitch. The story is currently “everywhere”, it even made it to Forbes.
I literally saw someone post the link to the original YouTube on twitter, and took the screenshots myself.
I don’t understand what’s the need for me to be interrogated like this, like I was committing some kind of thought crime for daring to watch the primary source video in response to someone claiming the images were photoshopped, and taking my own screenshots to disprove the “photoshop theory”. Seriously? This is bordering on cult behaviour and making me feel very uncomfortable. What happened to thinking for yourself?
You’re conflating me with other people. What I’m saying is not that it’s evil to look at primary sources (of course it fucking isn’t), what I’m saying is that you just shrugging your shoulders and saying “there’s no narrative here” when literally the only reason that you know about this is because of the narrative that you were presented prior to seeing anything about it is ridiculous. It’s complete illiteracy regarding how real propaganda works, how priming works, how anything in media works, to just take this unfalsifiable claim and present it as basically equivalent to the much more plausible claims and act like you’re standing above the stories that you were told because you watched some twitter clips yourself, even if that does put you higher than some Klein fans who seem to not even watch whole clips that were taken precisely for these sorts of attacks.
It’s also just really fucking tiring how these attacks never ever stop, and ultimately any sane person who wants to do anything else with their life needs to learn pattern recognition to understand that sources that have established themselves as bad faith are a deliberate waste of time to keep re-investigating from square one with every new conspiracy theory they bring up. Like, have you ever needed to deal with a Holocaust denier for a protracted period of time? I have, and like with other conspiracists, there’s just no point in continuing to treat everything as good faith after you’ve gone through a few of their horseshit theories, but then as soon as you tell them that you’re done playing this game, they will tell you that you’re being unfair, and intellectually dishonest or lazy, and the truth or falsity of whatever else you might point to doesn’t have a bearing on the truth of this new claim, so actually if you don’t fight it from square one, you’re basically conceding to it, and just choosing to believe the contrary. Sure seems like you’re small-minded sheep, doesn’t it? So keep talking to me, keep validating my bullshit by acting like it’s in good faith, and I’ll keep wasting your time telling you about the fucking swimming pools in Auschwitz and the Red Cross report and the ignition point of corpses and replacement gas chamber doors and on and on and on and on.
It sounds like you’re not familiar with this paradigm of bullshit, so to you, perhaps it’s like you’re a spectator coming in at the tail end of that conversation, and it sure seems like the denialist is trying to engage in open, spirited discussion to get to the truth of the matter and the non-denialist is just closed-minded and dogmatic. I can’t tell you how many of these bullshit accusations I’ve seen from the rabid internet cults of pedophilic zionists (there are several! e.g. Klein, Destiny, Nux) trying to slander Hasan with spurious bullshit, so them “just asking questions” about Kaya here does not actually constitute to me a good reason to be concerned about if he electrocutes his fucking dog because obviously they are just saying shit. The fact that people are talking voicing support for this hypothesis does not mean it is plausible, nor does the fact that it’s completely unfalsifiable. They are just relying on conspiracist patterns of confirmation bias, where just so long as their explanation is possible, because it evades any method of refutation, that somehow gives it parity with all the other explanations and we should therefore be taking it seriously.
Going to be honest I look down on almost anyone who uses this kind of thing. I know boomers that have had dogs for their entire lives and they’ve never mentioned the use of training vibration/shock collars.
Now I don’t watch this guy, but the clip is not great and there’s no need to defend it. He’s ranting in his expensive streaming room about how an unstable internet connection is “violence”, raises his voice at his dog and then blames his mom for his poor behaviour while cussing out. Regardless of shock collar or not, is this the behaviour a 13 year old boy or an almost 40 year old man?
The unstable internet thing is obviously a joke, of the type we make here constantly.
I didn’t hear him “raise his voice” or “cuss” at her, certainly spoke to her in a scolding tone.
“My mom spoils my dog so much” isn’t really a put down, is it?
It’s plausible that it’s a shock collar, which I do not defend, that he either lost his temper and shocked her unnecessarily, or meant to buzz (vibration) but accidentally shocked. I’m sure he will show the collar on stream soon if it wasn’t.
As I said to someone else, I am begging you to use critical thinking. This is a huge leftist streamer who suffers constant character assassination attempts from multiple coteries of freakish trolls who clip things out of context constantly, and he spends ~7 hours a day every day streaming. Do you think that him shocking his dog live on camera, something he knows would result in a torrent of condemnation and endless free attacks from his detractors, is really the more plausible explanation than a coincidence of timing that happens over thousands of hours of footage?
I think the dog’s paw is on the ground when the yelp starts tbh. It’s pretty plausible that he is using a training collar and he overreacts here to the dog simply moving around because he’s clearly in a shitty mood. Also like pretty plausible that the dog yelping in pain without checking on it makes me think he knows what caused the yelp already so he doesn’t need to check.
I don’t really think it’s that bad but then I own dogs and know that noise is definitely a spoiled dog overreacting with a yelp of surprise rather than anything that really hurt it at all.
People far more online then me have ID’d the collar she has on, its a Air Tag collar you can buy off amazon. Dan Saltsman and Destiny’s orbiters as well as Ethan Klein are circulating a photoshopped image of a shock collar on Kaya in r/lsf and on twitter/threads.
I learn all this against my will.
It’s not Photoshopped, the images originate from this timestamped clip where an LED blinks. I took my own screenshots below:
Blinking LED visible:
Now I have no idea what it is, but it’s not an ordinary collar. Could be an airtag, could be something else.
It’s like 15 pixels in two frames and they’re on different sides of what is likely an airtag collar. Nothing suggests LEDs as opposed to just reflections on metal or plastic
The source of the LEDs claim is a Zionist Destiny anti-Hasan subreddit. You are reposting them and spreading their narrative.
I’m not reposting anything. I literally took these screenshots myself, I’m not some idiot that took these from Reddit or Twitter. It’s obvious this not a normal collar. It’s obvious it’s not a reflection. couldn’t care for a “steamer narrative”. I’ll believe my own eyes thanks.
Hasan himself is saying the collar "has the capacity to vibrate ".
And thats the same as a shock collar to you?
I never said it was a shock collar. I just said it was not an ordinary dog collar and could be something else. Which is the truth. Pretty sure a vibration collar meets the criteria of “something else”.
Can we please stop putting words in my mouth. It’s incredibly dishonest.
Cool you took the same screenshots that DDGers did because it is in total like 6 frames in a short video. They are the ones claiming to see LEDs. You are certain they are LEDs, but have exactly zero reason to think so except for preexisting DDGer narratives.
I personally don’t have a strong opinion on the dog collar because, just like you, I know nothing about it except it has an airtag size circle on it.
This reads so much like concern trolling. Do you have any specific evidence that it’s a shock collar rather than any of the much more common things it could be? No? Then maybe don’t shrug in epistemic suspense like Klein’s and Destiny’s troll farms make credible claims.
It’s not concern trolling to point out the obvious.
I took the screenshots myself. There is no narrative.
Hasan himself is not saying it’s a vibration collar, because it’s obviously not a regular colar.
“No narrative” Oh, so you were just watching his stream, saw this happen, and came to this conclusion independently when you stumbled on all these other people saying it?
I actually saw all the clips on twitter to be honest. I don’t use twitch. The story is currently “everywhere”, it even made it to Forbes.
I literally saw someone post the link to the original YouTube on twitter, and took the screenshots myself.
I don’t understand what’s the need for me to be interrogated like this, like I was committing some kind of thought crime for daring to watch the primary source video in response to someone claiming the images were photoshopped, and taking my own screenshots to disprove the “photoshop theory”. Seriously? This is bordering on cult behaviour and making me feel very uncomfortable. What happened to thinking for yourself?
You’re conflating me with other people. What I’m saying is not that it’s evil to look at primary sources (of course it fucking isn’t), what I’m saying is that you just shrugging your shoulders and saying “there’s no narrative here” when literally the only reason that you know about this is because of the narrative that you were presented prior to seeing anything about it is ridiculous. It’s complete illiteracy regarding how real propaganda works, how priming works, how anything in media works, to just take this unfalsifiable claim and present it as basically equivalent to the much more plausible claims and act like you’re standing above the stories that you were told because you watched some twitter clips yourself, even if that does put you higher than some Klein fans who seem to not even watch whole clips that were taken precisely for these sorts of attacks.
It’s also just really fucking tiring how these attacks never ever stop, and ultimately any sane person who wants to do anything else with their life needs to learn pattern recognition to understand that sources that have established themselves as bad faith are a deliberate waste of time to keep re-investigating from square one with every new conspiracy theory they bring up. Like, have you ever needed to deal with a Holocaust denier for a protracted period of time? I have, and like with other conspiracists, there’s just no point in continuing to treat everything as good faith after you’ve gone through a few of their horseshit theories, but then as soon as you tell them that you’re done playing this game, they will tell you that you’re being unfair, and intellectually dishonest or lazy, and the truth or falsity of whatever else you might point to doesn’t have a bearing on the truth of this new claim, so actually if you don’t fight it from square one, you’re basically conceding to it, and just choosing to believe the contrary. Sure seems like you’re small-minded sheep, doesn’t it? So keep talking to me, keep validating my bullshit by acting like it’s in good faith, and I’ll keep wasting your time telling you about the fucking swimming pools in Auschwitz and the Red Cross report and the ignition point of corpses and replacement gas chamber doors and on and on and on and on.
It sounds like you’re not familiar with this paradigm of bullshit, so to you, perhaps it’s like you’re a spectator coming in at the tail end of that conversation, and it sure seems like the denialist is trying to engage in open, spirited discussion to get to the truth of the matter and the non-denialist is just closed-minded and dogmatic. I can’t tell you how many of these bullshit accusations I’ve seen from the rabid internet cults of pedophilic zionists (there are several! e.g. Klein, Destiny, Nux) trying to slander Hasan with spurious bullshit, so them “just asking questions” about Kaya here does not actually constitute to me a good reason to be concerned about if he electrocutes his fucking dog because obviously they are just saying shit. The fact that people are talking voicing support for this hypothesis does not mean it is plausible, nor does the fact that it’s completely unfalsifiable. They are just relying on conspiracist patterns of confirmation bias, where just so long as their explanation is possible, because it evades any method of refutation, that somehow gives it parity with all the other explanations and we should therefore be taking it seriously.
Listen, I’m not going to get into a back and forth about it, people can do that over here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Hasan_Piker/comments/1o0yrxe/it_is_an_airtag_collar_go_home_ur_mother_misses/
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Definitely not a training collar, just an insane Zionist with a weird fixation trying to come up with anything.
Going to be honest I look down on almost anyone who uses this kind of thing. I know boomers that have had dogs for their entire lives and they’ve never mentioned the use of training vibration/shock collars.
Now I don’t watch this guy, but the clip is not great and there’s no need to defend it. He’s ranting in his expensive streaming room about how an unstable internet connection is “violence”, raises his voice at his dog and then blames his mom for his poor behaviour while cussing out. Regardless of shock collar or not, is this the behaviour a 13 year old boy or an almost 40 year old man?
I’m not defending it if that’s what it is. I’ve never used them either. All I’m saying is that’s not a dog in pain it’s a surprise yelp.
The unstable internet thing is obviously a joke, of the type we make here constantly.
I didn’t hear him “raise his voice” or “cuss” at her, certainly spoke to her in a scolding tone.
“My mom spoils my dog so much” isn’t really a put down, is it?
It’s plausible that it’s a shock collar, which I do not defend, that he either lost his temper and shocked her unnecessarily, or meant to buzz (vibration) but accidentally shocked. I’m sure he will show the collar on stream soon if it wasn’t.
He reaches for something out of frame and the dog immediately yelps, pretty weird coincidence if its not a shock collar.
As I said to someone else, I am begging you to use critical thinking. This is a huge leftist streamer who suffers constant character assassination attempts from multiple coteries of freakish trolls who clip things out of context constantly, and he spends ~7 hours a day every day streaming. Do you think that him shocking his dog live on camera, something he knows would result in a torrent of condemnation and endless free attacks from his detractors, is really the more plausible explanation than a coincidence of timing that happens over thousands of hours of footage?
He streams for hours every day. It is not a weird coincidence for two common things to happen around the same time.
Please y’all, remind yourselves that this is Destiny bullshit and that you are not immune to propaganda.