Controversial to whom exactly?
The ICE agents on that list, as well as the ones scared of being on future lists.
Need all of their names
I wonder how kidnappy the kidnappers would be if they faced justice.
The names and photos should be assessable of all federal staff on US soil.
We need to publish home addresses, make them scared.
So there actually is a federal (felony) law against that, but not against sharing their names: 18 U.S. Code § 119. This is the most a website could legally get away with, at least for US Citizens. It may not apply to Ice List’s designer, but I am not a lawyer.
Another amendment to make when we’re in power
And you foresee absolutely nothing bad happening if all the public officers’ addresses were made public?
Crazy people could start killing legislators like last monthEdit: What I mean is: Crazy people might start killing legislators, like it has already happened months ago.
Yeah, which sounds great, right?
Unless you’re not on the receiving end.
You had fun on January 6? Now imagine that, but with armed militias hunting and killing center- and left-wing judges, congressmen, senators, etc., etc.
I just reread my comment, I think I wrote in a way that could be misunderstood and I was unclear. I wanted to say, the thing that is already happening might happen more, not “please kill politicians”.
I was just saying that crazy people already started killing left-wing legislators. I don’t think Trump getting shot would be good for the US or the world either.
I’m against releasing addresses, I’m just mentioning that that kind of political violence is not a hypothetical, it’s already happening…
We, the proletariat, will probably never be in power in the US
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MLK started abandoning this system and then he was killed.
Black Panthers disregarded this system which led to COINTELPRO tactics being used to instigate infighting and divisions. Also gun laws became harsher since the non-whites starting arming up.
The fact that these gestapo fucks all wear masks and are hell bent on not being identified gives cause to believe they require identification.
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Im not sure about the MLK comment in particular, may have misremembered on that one. But he did get assassinated 1 month before he was set to kick off the Poor Peoples Party.
Im not sure what you missed re:Black Panthers
The other thing I didn’t mention previously was the amount of violent actions taken against citizens. Rainbow Coalition attacks, bombing a neighborhood, Kent State, and that’s just the Civil Rights era.
Doxxing isn’t inciting violence, its identification. Ive been doxxed before and i never felt threats of violence were coming my way.
Beyond that, I’ve never incited violence in any way like you’re describing. Maybe the fascists should be less violent if they’re worried about violent reprisals though?
That shipped sailed a long ass time ago. Normalcy won’t be returning anytime soon.
Tennessee Rep. Marsha Blackburn wants the identities of federal officials carrying out President Donald Trump’s deportation campaign to remain secret for security reasons. To that end, she introduced the Protecting Law Enforcement from Doxxing Act, which would make it illegal to publish the name of a federal law enforcement officer with the intent to obstruct a criminal investigation or immigration operation. Skinner, for his part, has proposed the opposite: to publish as many names of the officers and their collaborators as possible.
This list is for future prosecutions, and as such doesn’t run afoul of this proposed law.
So we are already at the point where ice agents will be put in prison?
They’re certianly afraid of it. The situation is not nearly as rigged as they want you to believe, that’s why they’re trying so hard to make it so
I just won’t blame the ICE agents for it, I’ll blame those that make decisions that lead to bad outcomes. This website doxxing ICE is a waste of time and energy. In my opinion its stepping backwards as well.
You don’t blame the ice agents for assaulting and kidnapping people?
No because they have been convinced they are being good citizens by doing it. They aren’t evil people being evil for shits and giggles. I will allow them the chance to redeem themselves and I will offer them forgiveness when the time comes, just like I would anyone else.
Internet purity tests just dont work out in real life. People dont live mistake free lives, nor do they ever stop learning.
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It doesn’t matter that they’ve been convinced. I have access to all the same media, and I haven’t been convinced to join in with abusing people.
That’s because I have good Critical Thinking Skills, and I use them, especially to guide my morality to follow what I know is right, and not just what my worst emotions tell me. If I start to feel bigoted towards someone, I have the self-awareness to recognize it, and direct my thinking in a better direction.
MAGAs, and other stupid people, just accept their bigoted feelings, and act on them. Good people will suppress those feelings, and substitute moral and ethical thinking instead, and train their brain to think that way. It’s harder that just reacting to your emotions, but becoming a mature, positively-comtributing member of society takes effort.
So I don’t accept excuses like they needed the money, or they were only following orders, etc. They knew what they were signing up for, and most, if not all, did it because they saw a chance to wield evil power over vulnerable innocent people.
They are evil people, and defending them is evil as well.
Yeah, it’s called a “Most Wanted” list. It’s where criminals end up when they break the law often enough.
“I want to publicly shame them into resigning, because they don’t wear masks for safety. They wear them because they know their neighbors won’t invite them to dinner anymore, that their children or their children’s friends’ parents won’t want them at a baseball game. They care about their personal lives, but not about their safety,” Skinner said in a telephone interview with EL PAÍS from the Netherlands, where he lives.
This is the way.
They are literally covering their faces because they are afraid on the public. They are normal people just like you and I. They need money to support their family just like you and I. Focusing on individual agents is wasteful and cruel.
If a civil war comes, people will need to be able to say they were wrong and switch sides, which means that ICE agents will in fact help save the country.
Being bigoted is not helpful.
They are normal people just like you and I.
Maybe like you, but not me. I would NEVER take a job that requires me to abuse my fellow citizens in any way.
As an adult, I could have easily had a career in the tobacco industry, but that was one of those businesses that I told myself I would NEVER join. There are plenty of other legal businesses that I would never do because I believe they are immoral or unethical.
But then there are some jobs that are beyond immoral, beyond unethical, and being an ICE agent is one of them. I don’t care how much you need the money, taking the job of abusing innocent families, and destroying lives, simply because you find them icky, is simply EVIL. If you make that choice, you don’t get a pass for any reason, and you deserve the condemnation of your follow citizens.
Not everyone has all the privilege you do to grow up coming to those conclusions. Just because you figured it out earlier doesnt make you a better person. You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.
Now how we expect anyone to change when the “good” people are calling for your doxxing and murder, I have no idea. Apparently we build bridges with gun fire and insults these days.
You are totally lost, and have no idea what’s going on.
You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.
True, nobody controls the circumstances of their upbringing, but they do control how they react to them. Like MOST people, I internalized a strong moral code that would never let me do many, many things just for the money.
You seem to think that ICE agents are some kind of desperately poor unemployed people who are taking the only job they can get. I have been extremely broke in my life, I was one of those people that lost EVERYTHING in 2008, our house, car, everything. I still didn’t resort to doing anything immoral to feed my family. If being an ICE agent has been an option, not only would I have rejected it, but so would my family.
ALL of those ICE agents grew up in the same nation I did, had the same access to education I did, and could have internalized the same moral code, but either they didn’t, or they are deliberately choosing to ignore it now. That’s not “privilege,” that’s sociopathic.
As for “building bridges,” that might be the dumbest thing you’ve written in all your posts. We aren’t trying to build bridges. These people are truly evil, the same rootstock that produced the Nazis, and there is no appeasing them, no cooperating with them, no working with them. To be partners with them is to embrace evil, and that is 100% unacceptable.
The only solution to MAGA Treason is to crush it mercilessly, ruthlessly, purge it from our government, and prohibit it’s existence in the future.
Which protected class are we being bigoted against?
I’m not here to argue legality.
Most of the people here are bigoted against ICE agents, and most of the people here are proud of that. I’m not expecting you to agree with me, if that helps.
If a civil war comes we need to know who isn’t trustworthy in leadership. This is a list of those people.
Your misuse of the word “bigoted” is disgraceful. These people chose to lock up other humans in cages to be shipped to countries with worse cages.
They can support their families by getting a real job and not being a class traitor.
Are we talking about ICE agents or leaders? I could have sworn this post was about the people on the ground who aren’t giving orders but taking them. I would hold leaders to a different standard.
No difference. They know what orders they’ll be following when they take the job. They are evil people who are relishing being able to exercise their evil as a career.
They are jobless people with families to support. Morals come after food for the majority of people. Or are we forgetting how awful it is in this country right now?
That is absolutely no excuse at all. If I need money, is it okay to rob a bank, or steal deliveries off porches, or burglarize houses, etc.? I consider ALL of those things to be less immoral than kidnapping innocent people, and sending them to random countries to be tortured in prison for the rest of their lives. Or breaking up families, or sending young Americans to a foreign country because their parents brought them here when they were babies, etc.
No, we haven’t forgotten how awful this country is, and it’s primarily because people like YOU have turned away from the evil that is happening all around us. The solution is to stop it, not to ignore it, or make lame excuses for it.
It’s like you never paid any attention to what we did to the rank and file Nazis…
Did you? What do you think happened to them when the war ended?
A lot of prison time. If not the end of a noose.
PoWs had an awful time after the war, but for those who weren’t captured, simply being a nazi was not a crime and most were not tried unless they had committed specific war crimes.
So no, those who were just following orders were not punished for it.
If ignorance is bliss, you must be an angel.
No I just live in reality, not in lemmy echo chambers.
Both shouldn’t be in any leadership capacity. As they have failed to recognize the value of human life and they would likely do it again.
All americans to some extent devalue human life. The entire economy is based on it. Whether you are ignorant of that fact or not makes a big difference. This is not an individual problem, it is a societal one. We won’t fix anything unless we treat each other like humans and communicate with each other in good faith.
People will have to live with the mistakes of their past, just like anyone else, but they should not be labelled as unredeemable or unforgivable.
Then the economy is broken. It is in fact a societal problem. Money shouldn’t exist and every human need should be freely offered and labor should traded for this opportunity. We wount fixes this until capitalism falls. We wount stop devaluing human life and we won’t treat eachother like humans as long as “the economy” exists.
People have to live with the mistake of their past but society shouldn’t not be able to take it into account. This is how we got Epstein, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, and Donald Trump.
If I read you correctly, you are saying we need a civil war and social breakdown to get rid of capitalism. I might agree with that, but if thats true then why doxx ICE agents? How is that helping the downfall of capitalism?
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There is nothing normal about what ICE agents are doing. If they had a shred of humanity, they wouldn’t carry out such heinous acts.
Thats a lot of assumptions about why they are doing what they are.
What is being assumed?
That if they were human they wouldnt do what they are doing. At least you are more honest than most in this thread by actually saying out loud that you think ICE agents aren’t people.
Throwing away your humility means you don’t get treated as such. Simple as that.
Cool I’ll just wait for you to make an unforgivable mistake and then decide you are an “other” who doesnt deserve basic human rights. Fantastic value system you have there.
Funny how Reddit doesn’t like this.
Because its hard to argue the point of the website isn’t violence. At best I think we would have to admit it’s likely to at least have the side effect of violence.
Lemmy has this thing where one person goes “sometimes violence is necessary” and then their replies are about attacking people not defending. This concept that we need to be bigger and tougher than fascism is simply absurd, and focusing on individual ICE agents is missing the whole point.
Then what’s the whole point we’re missing?
That there isn’t much difference between an ICE agent and you, and they aren’t the ones making decisions anyways. We all have the same enemy.
Who has the same enemy? ICE and me? That’s simply not true. ICE’s enemy is anyone Trump hates, while my enemy is ICE ,Trump, and MAGA.
If it’s extremely dangerous to be an ICE agent the problem solves its self.
Sort of, if the job didnt pay so well it would be enough of a deterrent I think.
Fascism requires censorship and Reddit is popular enough to facilitate the regime.
I would expect a website to censor incitement to violence.
Or am I supposed to believe this doxxing site is just purely informational and light hearted?
I like the idea, but I’m nervous that he’s using AI to build up the rest of the face from limited images. I didn’t see anything in the article - any idea how he’s verifying these people are ICE agents before publishing their names?
If it’s the same project then they are using AI to reconstruct faces, finding matches on social media, then they scan the social media for real evidence. Something like parallel construction or fusion centers except they start with synthetic “evidence” before discovering real evidence.
They take advantage of the fact many people don’t realize you can easily bring up someone’s Facebook by scanning their face. I don’t think they can find ICE members who are secretive and careful, but it’s unlikely many ICE members are that meticulous.
I think I read in another article a few weeks back that they have real people verifying the results as well?
Nope. Same as any other random person on the internet, they have no third party fact checking, they have no incentive to be honest and truthful, and their motivations could literally be anything.
It could be a honeypot to pull everyone who visits the site. It could have non-ICE agents in the database to try to incite violence against non-ICE agents. It could simply be a list of a persons enemies from highschool.
It could also be legit, but I’m not going to take the effort to figure it out, because I dont think its that useful of a website even if it is real.
If they’ve done nothing wrong then there’s no reason to hide.
i woudlnt be surprised if most of them are “unhireables” in other jobs. the people that cant even get hired by walmart and amazon due thier behaviour that they are knowingly aware of, where they take anyone.
People who flunked out of police academy for being too stupid and violent
Most of them are tied to the american dream, which says that you can never earn less than you have before or else you are a failure. Its why a lot of people here simply won’t adjust to lower levels of income, they’d rather be unemployed. This leads to peolle feeling trapped and limited in job choice. They’d rather work for ICE than to downsize their house or car, but only barely.
ICE agents are not happy. They are paid incredibly well, and thats it. If order actually breaks down, they are just as likely to fight against tyranny than for it. They are just like any other citizens.
They are just like any other citizens.
No, most citizens don’t illegally kidnap children because they’re brown. Only ICE does that.
Well, not everyone grew up in the same place as you learning the same things you did. Sometimes people learn hard and important life lessons well into adulthood. I will not take away from anyone the chance to learn and redeem themselves. I would even allow that for billionaires.
I will say that the leaders in america right now do deserve extensive sentences for the pain and suffering they are putting huge amounts of people through. I just include ICE agents as victims where most won’t.
If your police cover their faces, they are not doing good work.
Bandits
The whole masked officers thing really got me wondering how society would respond to a Batman like figure. I don’t think I realized bofore the ICE raids how absolutely horrible the concept of masked superheros was for a free society, even after consuming some media that tried to focus on this issue, like the Watchmen.
Police have never existed to serve the populace, they solely exist to protect the capital of the wealthy.
Police are a Status Quo maintenence force. The status quo fucking sucks.
But that’s on a different level than being allowed to cover your face while destroying lives and saying it is justified because occasionally you enforce laws
Define “never”. Never in as in never in the history of 21st century America? Pretty tame assertion. Never in the anthropological sense? That would be completely farcical.
Does this guy even know a time before 2010?
Uh… WTF are you smoking? You got any references to back up that pompous retort, or are you banking on the confidence of your palm alone to carry that wet fart aloft?
