Want to wade into the sandy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youāll near-instantly regret.
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
Just wanted to say that Iām thankful for all yall.
From the r/SunoAI subreddit: āSick of having to come up with promptsā.
Hey yāall, looking for some tips here. I like what Iāve made so far with Suno but now Iām kind of hitting a wall with ideas for prompts. Why doesnāt Suno also have a feature to write prompts for you? Like just hit a button the says ānew promptā and then hit make song when it comes up with something that sounds interesting! Thoughts?
(Via Dan of the Year.)
Next step: āIām sick of having to press the ānew promptā button, why doesnāt ā¦ā
Found a fitting lament for our current era:
alt text: āKinda hate that we live in a world where any new F/OSS tool or operating system that gets buzz needs to be vetted for Nazi entanglements.ā
I heard the same complaint from leftist metal fans.
See also goth/industrial music. The latter also has (like metal) a bit of a sexism issue.
Nazi entanglements
Thatās why none of the quantum computers work
transcript
Graham Linehan is a normal and well man.
A few hours later, he sends me an example of how heās been using AI. Itās a āhidden role deductionā game heās working on. At the top is the prompt he put into ChatGPT: āYou are five blind lesbian adventurers out for a good night out. Slaying dragons and whatnot. But one of your number is a hulking great troll pretending to be a woman. Find the troll lesbian and then devise an amusing punishment without giving him an erection.
The CIA wouldnāt be able to torture this kinda shit out of me. Jesus, Linehan.
What the fuck
Yeah thats a kink. There prob are a bunch of sex workers he could hire who could help him with that.
E: forgot to mention, a sex worker even confirmed this is a kink.
I donāt think sex workers should be tasked with society offloading glinner
glinner should fucking suck less
Certainly. Some might want to take his service however, not going to speak for them. But doubt he would be a good client, nor that he would pass the vibe check for any who didnāt already knew who he was. So not sure if he is even able (also doubt he is mentally able as he sees women too much as objects to he saved/protected vs actual people).
But yes sorry if that came off as offloading societies problems on sex workers.
oh no
He followed his friendsļ»æ ļ»æAndrew Doyle and Martin Gourlay, formerly of GB News,ļ»æ over here. They were hired by ļ»æUS comic actor Rob Schneiderās ļ»æproduction company and put in a word for Linehan. He moved in March and works for Schneider too. Having co-created Father Ted in the 1990s and created The IT Crowd in the ļ»æ00s, Linehan is ļ»æco-creating a sitļ»æcom called ļ»æTenure ļ»æā āOļ»æur academics are like Father Ted academics: theyāre very old and mustyā ā with Doyle, Gourlay and ļ»æBritish comedian Jonathan Kogan. ļ»æTheyāve written eight episodes.
coming soon to whatever remains of CBS with an introductory 1 hour lecture by Bari Weiss
most well adjusted terf
TIL I take the same medicine as Glinner
Tomorrow Grimes will DJ a livestream of immortality influencer Bryan Johnson tripping on shrooms to determine its effect on longevity. Mr. Beast and the CEO of Salesforce will be there too.
Now, folks out there are calling this a Biblically accurate blunt rotation, but to be fair, itās missing Aella.
Iāll tell you what, it is fantastic to be clean and sober today
I was tempted to gawk but then I realisedā¦ the guyās just going to see some shapes in the light and itās going to be boring as shit
(not in any way meaning to stan the weirdo) at that dosage it might be more than that, but also itās ??? to me to consider taking that much while also being exposed to a bunch of people like that around me
and that itās even the dosage it is feels like it tells you a hell of a lot about the extent of his baseline intake too
these creeps are doing a better job at antidrug messaging than any propaganda I ever saw
I dont know much about dosage numbers etc, care to mention a bit more how much is normal and how much he is off the baseline?
(I just recall some old friends who once tried shrooms and didnt seem to notice much so they went to a disco and for one of them it hit at the middle of the dancefloor so he stood there like a statue (the guy was also tall and a metalhead, so quite a sight). And before it became illegal (some tourist got himself killed by using shrooms and drinking and they blamed the shrooms) to give others spores or something I managed to get some from someone as a promo/anarchist thing. Never did anything with them).
(Fine if you dont want to, or if talking about it exposes you/others to risk etc, dont. Just curious).
I dont know much about dosage numbers etc, care to mention a bit more how much is normal and how much he is off the baseline?
ānormalā is a bit of a fucked term when dealing with this stuff, in part because we really donāt have good human-wide data (hi can you see what ghoulfuck is playing off of?). why donāt we have that? oh yāknow that entire little multidecade war on drugs things perpetetrated by the selfsame government that isā¦[ā¦breathe]
that said, psychonautwiki is a more informative starting point than I could concisely be. that also said, part of the fucky bit is that you get different strains of shrooms, with different effective concentrations of psychoactive compounds (eg psilocybin cubensis vs psilocybin cyanescens)
beyond that, I donāt really think that awful is a place for psychedelic discussion (and I wouldnāt try to make it one). there are often conversations to be had, but here aināt the where
Thanks! And of course there is a wiki for it.
E: unrelated to the talks about shrooms. Didnāt Grimes talk to Aella about how they felt cheated by people around them who were a lot more evil than they pretended to be, wonder why this doesnāt seem to have caused a change of heart/scenery.
re your edit: it hasnāt changed because those words are just a front, a way to try save face as they get caught out with their bullshit. both of them have a choice, and have had a choice this whole time. they keep choosing to be where they are, what they say
Indeed.
Thatās about twice a ānormal doseā and in the realm of what Terrence McKenna would call a āheroic doseā.
Mushrooms vary a lot in real potency but at that level of dosage ego death is almost guaranteed, and itās likely that the user will spend at least 30 minutes to an hour unable to articulate language.
itās likely that the user will spend at least 30 minutes to an hour unable to articulate language.
This presumes Johnson was able to articulate language in the first place, which given that his brain has melted at an incredible pace since 2020 may be a bit of a stretch.
this post is more accurate than most
This doubly disappoints me because in a professional capacity I strive for being incredibly intentional and accurate while recreationally I aspire to shitposting, and āmore accurate than mostā satisfies neither. I really need to get my blood boy to write better material.
I love the phrase ego death because everyone Iāve heard describe the experience sounds like the most egotistical mf in the universe with how impressed they are by their own self-enlightenment.
Chasing links landed me here:
Grimes used to come to my club nights in Vancouver, and one time a guy who didnāt know who she was saw her dancing like an attention starved, crystal-gripping idiot, and he said to me āThatās the kind of chick who would take a shit on your chest if you asked.ā
https://blacksky.community/profile/did:plc:mpc62tgblkwndximirue5dxg/post/3lh7kznna3k2y
Someone needs to offer Erin Patterson a Suicide Squad deal
Btw, im a bit afraid to ask, as I should actually have googled this first (but Iām also becoming weary of google, tried to find some code related things yday and it was giving me wild results, it used to be better at that), but is there a sort of guide on blacksky, like what does joining one of those sites imply (I think I should join the āblacksky for non-pocā variant, at least I got that was a thing) but how well does it interact with the main bsky, how easy is it to switch, consequences for interactions/follows/followers, etc etc. Anybody have a guide on that? In an attempt to migrate away more from bsky which is making a few questionable moderation decisions. (I also know that due to how the whole system is setup, migrating doesnāt actually get you away from those decisions, so Iām also asking out of curiosity, so take that into account regarding how much effort to put into my question, also means ignoring/not reacting is fine. Just shooting a shot, and trying to be clear about intentions, and my feelings re reactions).
I used https://tektite.cc/ to migrate off Bluesky, and picked the myatproto.social option from the drop-down list. This may be a good start: https://leaflet.pub/000b57de-78dc-4939-8c66-79227d010cce
Thanks, Iāll give it a read and see how it all works.
Bloomberg covers the disastrous impact of AI upon food recipes, while still putting an āAI overviewā on the top of the pageā¦
In interviews, 22 independent food creators said that AI-generated ārecipe slopā is distorting nearly every way people find cooking advice online, damaging their businesses while causing consumers to waste time and money.
Across the internet, writers say their vetted recipes are hidden by the flood. Pinterest feeds are stuffed with AI-generated images of food that the attached instructions wonāt achieve; Googleās AI Overviews surface error-filled cooking steps that siphon away clicks from professionals. Meanwhile, Facebook content farms use AI-generated images of supposedly delicious but impossible dishes to the top of peopleās feeds, in an attempt to turn any clicks into ad revenue.
All of this, food bloggers say, erodes the simple promise of a recipe: that someone has actually cooked it before you have. To Gargano, this is the core issue. āNo matter how clever the AI is,ā she said in a recent interview, āit can never actually test a recipe in a real kitchen and see how it works.ā
[ā¦]
For Carrie Forrest, who runs Clean Eating Kitchen, AI has been devastating: 80% of her traffic ā and her revenue ā has disappeared in two years. Although the views started dropping when OpenAIās ChatGPT was released, it wasnāt until Google launched AI Mode in search that her traffic collapsed, she said. Since then, sheās gone from employing about ten people to letting everyone go. āIām going to have to find something else to do.ā
This holiday season is on track to be Forrestās slowest in years. She fears that if more content creators give up, the AI wonāt have new content to draw from ā except content generated by AI. It may get to a point where āAI is just talking to itself,ā and home cooks are gambling with the results, she said.
I think we already lost the plot when we started relying on a centralized entity (Google) to āindex the worldās information and make it usefulā. Ad-tech already fucked up all of the incentives, making recipe sites fill their pages with bullshit in hopes of wiping my eyeballs with messages from third parties hungry for attention. I fucking hate this world.
I saw this food on social media the other day which was allegedly caused by a Chat-GPT recipe: https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyfoodporn/comments/1p60tfw/my_wife_tried_a_chatgpt_crockpot_recipe/
An unnamed OSS project had its license vandalized by AI:
Its currently unnamed to avoid naming-and-shaming any specific devs, but its probably a Mozilla project that was affected.
Remember the german lawyer who tried to vibe code some compiler fixes. He did it again and learned nothing
JFC, man. Fuck this snivelling weasel. I read the whole thing. How dare he even suggest he has a fleck of humility in his being. He goes in saying he submitted his changes as an RFC instead of a pull request, but goes balls deep on trying to defend his work as worthy of submitting. Utter bullshit.
Some quotes:
My explicit statement of having āno desire to actually learn about the Mesa code-baseā was not seen as a gesture of honest humility,
āI have no intent on understanding this codebase that Iām 100% sure Iāve created a good change for, be grateful, peasants.ā
also, him, explicitly not a developer, spake thusly:
This sentiment exposes the raw nerve of the open-source world: developer burnout.
vibe codes once I am become jeff, coder at google
Finally, this massive turd:
The Mesa projectās updated contributor guidelines, which now demand that any submitter of AI-assisted code must understand it as if they wrote it themselves, has been lauded by some as a pragmatic solution. I contend it is a policy of convenience, a blunt instrument designed not to solve a complex problem, but to legislate it out of existence. It is a fortress wall built to protect the status quo, and while it may offer the illusion of security, it does so at the cost of innovation and by silencing a new and potentially valuable class of contributors. The discussion should not end here, with a policy that prioritizes procedural purity over measurable progress. The true challenge has been misdiagnosed; the pathology is not the āuser with an AI,ā but a rigid, legacy process that lacks the antibodies to handle a new form of discovery.
Honestly this guy should just start his own fucking codebase where him and his promptfondling circlejerk buddies can vibecode bricks together.
Yeah I was reminded of this guy by some posts on bsky, and mentioned there I didnāt want to link to him directly because I donāt think that kind of stuff is nice and just leads to harassment, but reading those two new blog posts really made me doubt that for a moment. (Of course only posting it here is a good alternative, looking back at the old posts I had also forgotten that he just was a weird conservative).
I also found the part where he said āI even labeled it as an experimentā quite annoying, that he doesnāt realize that this doesnāt matter at all. The developers still need to evaluate it like any normal post, and he didnāt even ask them permission to do the experiment.
āI even labeled it as an experiment. A social experiment, some might say. Iām saying it was just a prank, bro. But really youāre the bad person because you were mean to me.ā This is DARVO, right?
Youāre right that sharing this stuff leads to harassment, at least a lot of the time. I have no interest in personally engaging with this fuck.
Iām esp weary of sharing stuff like this on a place like bsky, esp when I was just replying to others being a bit annoyed at people doing LLM based PRs. Hope people here have better self control at not actually going after people.
One would hope! Donāt piss in the popcorn, as they say. Also, donāt do any stupid shit that might cause more work for our glorious admins, i.e. leave a trail of breadcrumbs back to awful.systems.
Honestly this guy should just start his own fucking codebase where him and his promptfondling circlejerk buddies can vibecode bricks together.
the obnoxious self-aggrandizement is dripping all over the text, not the least of which when he conceptualizes himself as a part of a ānew and potentially valuable class of contributorsā, as if the addition of a slop-generator can transform the layperson into someone capable of contributing to a complex software project. but thatās old news. hereās whatās getting me now:
For a project like Mesa, which uses the permissive MIT license, accidentally incorporating a snippet of code that carries the āviralā obligations of the GPL could potentially trigger a legal catastrophe. Faith Ekstrand drove this point home with a chillingly practical example: āIf we piss off Nvidia and they sue us, the project is over. It doesnāt matter whether or not we can theoretically win.ā
this is a legal issue ā this should be Seyfarthās home turf! obviously he canāt code and has a sneering contempt for anyone who learns to do so, but in this micro-instance, giving an informed legal opinion on how this issue could be handled would actually be in the Mesa projectās best interests! letās see how he
However this is a hypothetical scenario and there are several ways to mitigate such legal risks. Most projects already shift the legal burden to the contributor. The project still has to reject any code that openly violates the licensing terms, but if such violations are not obvious, there is little legal risk to the project itself.
āit wouldnāt happen, and even if it did, you could just try to sacrifice your individual developers to NVIDIA one at a time and hope that makes them go away.ā great cool thank you. this is the best youāve got with your legal background. fantastic. what an utter tool
what i got from reading this is that itās not X, but Y.
ooh, just found out he has a post tripling down. itās a rather rich text, maybe could stand to be its own post on techtakes
Blog von Marcus Seyfarth, LL.M.
LOL
And all of this over a local 1% speed increase. Which he imagines just works just as well for everyone else. (I noted the Rationalism style, calculate this minor increase over all potential (imagined) users to make it into a big thing bit as well).
And his source for the increase? He played two games. (One of which was cyberpunk, which iirc can be weird re gpu optimizations, so it isnāt even a reliable indication).
Semi-relevant, Matthew Garrett has won a court case against the kooks running Techrights:
https://nondeterministic.computer/@mjg59/115581959497817474
About the only positive thing you can say about Schestowitz (and probably his wife) is that they are rabidly anti-AI, but that is only because they are also rabidly against anyone who does not subscribe to their personal purity-test vision of Free Software (basically itās them, RMS, and maybe his parrot).
I have an unhealthy interest in them, because during the Andrew Lee putsch they were basically on his side, until he fucked even them, and I kinda drifted into their IRC server to see what was up. It was my unwelcome introduction to the toxic underbelly of FLOSS, with rampant RMS-worship, misogyny, racism and incipient techno-fascism. I ducked out quite quickly.
Tellingly, Techrights is all in on the Gemini protocol.
I never heard of Techrights before, they seem rather unhinged, but I had a good laugh when I saw this article about Lunduke. Not even the floss fundamentalists like Lundukes flavor of racist Linux ājournalismā.
for what itās worth schestowitzes donāt seem to understand that they lost a defamation case and should stop digging.
That seems potentially unwise.
such words never stopped dr. roy before.
Out of all the documentation pages written by the most pedantic nerds on Earth (complimentary), I think this just might be the shortest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Writing_articles_with_large_language_models
Oh wow, thatās gloriously terse. I agree that it might be the shortest. For comparison, here are three other policies whose pages are much longer and whose message also boils down to ādonāt do thatā: donāt post copypasta, donāt start hoaxes, donāt start any horseshit either.
Dont start hoaxes
As a confession, I did that once, made up a fictional thing. The page lived for quite a long time. Untill somebody outside of my circle saw the orphaned page and promptly (and rightfully) deleted it. Was 20 years ago or so however.
It was so orphaned it didnt even get indexed by search engines.
and it made it to being an actual content guideline, not just an essay!
Crosslinking SRD: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1p88k7d/guys_were_gonna_be_okay_maybe_not_today_maybe_not/
Observing AI psychosis from a distance is so fascinating. āValentine just got nerfed for me.ā What???
people out there signing off shit like that with their online presence that wouldnāt be waterboarded out of anyone 15 years ago
The rise of social media has made people disturbingly willing to give out extremely personal info/secrets. Jesus.
Neal Stephenson comes out strong and funny against GenAI here:
https://nealstephenson.substack.com/p/a-remarkable-assertion-from-a16z
āHypothesis 1: it was written by a clankerā
Lmao imagine reading a Stephenson book and being peeved that it ends
(His sex scenes are far far far worse than his endings, those are a mercy)
oh yeah the relationship between the fusion-device wielding 30-something Aluetian freedom fighter and the 16 year old skateboard courier in Snow Crash isā¦ of its time
We were reading through various classics for bookclub and we noticed how many books had a ~14 year old girl has romantic/sexual relationship/gets abused by 30+ year old man. Snow Crash was one of those. I know popular thinking on this has changed a lot the past 20+ years but still always a shock, esp when you realize how much you didnt notice it.
Also a reason why the first evil dead aged very badly. Dont show that to people without warning them unless you want them to leaf.
Yup thatās one of them. The cryptonomicon protagonist no-nut-Novembering all the way to the ww2 treasure is another special fave
Years ago, I said, āIāve never finished a Stephenson novel.ā Someone replied, āNeither has he.ā
@gerikson @BlueMonday1984 Sub-hypothesis 1B: the AI was fed the whole book but the input was truncated because whatever toolchain they used wasnāt made to handle 160k words at a time.
Best part is the footnote:
About 20 years ago, some spammers came up with a bright idea for circumventing spam filters: they took a bootleg copy of my book Cryptonomicon and chopped it up into paragraph-length fragments, then randomly appended one such fragment to the end of each spam email they sent out. As you can imagine, this was surreal and disorienting for me when pitches for herbal Viagra and the like started landing in my Inbox with chunks of my own literary output stuck onto the ends. Come to think of it, most of those fragments actually did stop in mid-sentence, so I guess if todayās LLMs trained on old email archives it would explain why they āthinkā I write that way.
Stephenson knows how computers work.
@dgerard he does, looks like
@gerikson @BlueMonday1984 please do not insult the noble machine consciousnesses thus. It was probably written by a venture capitalist.
Someone in the comments found the github (??) where they made the site or something, and it def was generated initially, but it used heavy nerd speak so it was translated.
āWarning: his endings are notoriously abrupt, like a segfault in the middle of your favorite function.ā
@gerikson @BlueMonday1984 real missed opportunity to end that post mid-sentence
Andreessen Horowitz? More like, And hereās some horse shit
@swlabr yup
@gerikson @BlueMonday1984 The only thing that could have made that article better is if heād literally ended it mid-sentence.
Hypothesis 3: As some people seem to insist, āliterallyā has recently morphed into a contronym, and now it figuratively also means āfigurativelyā.
ā¦sorry, I meant it literally also means āfigurativelyā.
ā¦no, wait, thatās just the same thing. š It *actually* also means āfigurativelyā.
(Really? People couldnāt find a better new word to provide emphasis than āliterallyā? What word do they want to unambiguously represent that concept now? Do they care? Ughā¦)
What word do they want to unambiguously represent that concept now?
āLiterally, not figurativelyā, said in a Sterling Archer voice.
The use of literally in a fashion that is hyperbolic or metaphoric is not newāevidence of this use dates back to 1769. Its inclusion in a dictionary isnāt new either; the entry for literally in our 1909 unabridged dictionary states that the word is āoften used hyperbolically; as, he literally flew.ā
ā Merriam-Webster
It seems really common for words for factuality to become intensifiers. I just used the word āreallyā as an intensifier, thought it really means things occurring in reality. āVeryā had the same thing happen to it, as it originally meant ātruthfullyā (as in āverifyā or āverityā). If I say something is ātruly massiveā, am I likely specifying the massiveness is not imaginary in some sense, or am I trying to convey massiveness beyond the lower bounds of āmassiveā? Is a āproper bangerā of a tune distinct from an improper banger or is it just a highly bangerful banger?
truly massive
fuzzy logic says this thing has mass most of the time, ish
english is a fuck
(Really? People couldnāt find a better new word to provide emphasis than āliterallyā? What word do they want to unambiguously represent that concept now? Do they care? Ughā¦)
Bit late to tilt at this windmill tbh. Prescriptivist pedantry is prohibited past puberty. This was decreed by Maximilian D. English (the D stands for dictionary) in 1727. I donāt make the rules (MDE does)
tom sawyer literally rolling in wealth
but he never helps huck finn out financially?
pretty shit story, mark
And whilst weāre in that liminal space where no-one reads the old stubstack but the new one hasnāt yet surfaced, hereās an article about the ghastly state of it project management around the world, with a brief reference to ai which grabbed my attention, and made me read the rest, even though it isnāt about ai at all.
Few IT projects are displays of rational decision-making from which AI can or should learn.
it doesnāt get any cheerier, and wraps up with
It may be a forlorn request, but surely it is time the IT community stops repeatedly making the same ridiculous mistakes it has made since at least 1968, when the term āsoftware crisisā was coined
Oof.
Thatās pretty long and you should definitely repost it in the next sack. I lightly skimmed it and will read it in full later.
RE, the LLM of it all: Wonder how many times this has already happened:
āAI, please invent a new project management ideology for me, improving on agile and waterfall!ā
āCertainly. Hereās AgileFall, a linear combination of the two. What the fuck were you expecting here?ā
kinda impressive that āFactor Fexcectornā shows up twice, imagine how many credits were offered on the pyre of context management
also what in the cursed fuck is going on with the glyphs over the āmeterā bars
Factor Fexcectorn sounds like a Roman centurion who tried to improve the armyās logistics by hitching multiple wagons together in sequence.
I was thinking Factor Fexcectorn was the name of a furry OC, with an extensive backstory and a surprising amount of commissioned art. Fits in a fantasy or sci fi setting or both. Oh god am I writing an OC
Oh god am I writing an OC
the ao3 submission form calls you forth
The Fexcectorns are a storied family of fox-unicorn hybrids NO STOP GET OUT OF MY HEAD
Thereās a PubPeer thread.
idk what i have expected
āK9: scomā, just need to figure out what scom is.
But my favorite part is in the upper left, the brain that just says āAutismā and āAutismā around it.
these are autism particles
ā¦ Autons?
Automs
for years the human experience has vastly exceeded the codifications of mere simplistic scientist narrative, and it has long been known that the standard model was all wrong. in this essay I will
Wow. Quantum nature of autism confirmed. And people say the slop machines canāt do scienceā¦
The articleās abstract made me die a hundred times
hey siri can you write me a nothing paper that combines two popular topics that are easy to bullshit about
Good day to remember the rat dck pck.
And this is not the first time Scientific Reports has been sneered.
This artifact can bring bio med people on-side like nothing else.
Iām the left leg clipping through the table. Also, i like how x axis on lower left chart is out of order
Iām āLIne storeeā babyee.
ToÅalbottl
Iām āmedical fryrmlalā.
Ziz was arraigned on Monday, according to The Baltimore Banner. She apparently was not very cooperative:
As the judge asked basic questions such as whether she had read the indictment and understood the maximum possible penalties, [Ziz] LaSota chided the āmock proceedingsā and said [US Magistrate Douglas R.] Miller was a āparticipant in an organized crime ringā led by the āstates united in slavery.ā
She pulled the Old Man from Scene 24 gag:
Please state your name for the record, the court clerk said. āJustice,ā she replied. What is your age? āTimeless.ā What year were you born? āI have been born many times.ā
The lawyers have accepted that sometimes a defendant is uncooperative:
Prosecutors said the federal case would take about three days to try. Defense attorney Gary Proctor, in an apparent nod to how long what should have been a perfunctory appearance on Monday ended up taking, called the estimate āoverly optimistic.ā
Folks outside the USA should be reassured that this isnāt the first time that weāve tried somebody with a loose grasp of reality and a found family of young violent women who constantly disrupt the trial; Ziz isnāt likely to walk away.
She wants to be a martyr so bad, doesnāt she? She desperately needs to be punished for the sake of her beliefs (and the things she did made others do). All for the great cause ofā¦ uhā¦ yāknow, the important thing sheās being silenced for. Things like that.
