“garbage account”
Is that Brian ‘Brian Kibler’ Kibler’ of Brian Kibler Gaming?
I don’t know, I’ve used chatGPT and have reviewed the sources it uses. Saying Reddit is a “primary source” is blatantly dishonest. Not that dishonesty matters to people like that guy.
that just proves that he is “confidently wrong”
No one has convinced me how it is good for the general public. It seems like it will benefit corpos and governments, to the detriment of the general public.
It’s just another thing they’ll use to fuck over the average person.
It’s more like the opposite. There’s not much evidence if it saving money or increasing productivity for companies to the extent that it covers the cost of running it where as for the general population it can be helpful with stuff like writing assistance but I bet most people use it like I do which is entertainment. ChatGPT has 800 million weekly users - people clearly are getting some value from it.
Huh… so it’s getting its advice scrape from Reddit. Now it makes sense where it’s getting the idea of telling teens to die by suicide. That place is a shithole where intelligence goes to die.
I don’t hate AI, LLMs are incredibly powerful tools that have an incredibly wide range of uses. The technology itself is something that’s very exciting and promising.
What I do hate is how they’re being used by large corporations. A small handful of big tech companies (Google, Microsoft, Facebook, OpenAI, etc) decided to take this technology and pursue it in the greediest ways possible:
- They took open source code, built on top of it, and closed it off so they could sell it
- They scrapped all the data on the internet without consent and used it to train their models
- They made their models generate stuff based on copyrighted works without permission or giving credit. thus basically stealing the content
- But that wasn’t enough for them so they decided to train their models on every interaction you have with their LLM services, so all your private conversations are stored and recycled even if they’re private
- They use the data from the conversations that you’ve had with the chatbots to build customer profiles about you that they sell to advertisers so they could send you hoards of personalized ads
- They started integrating their LLMs into their other products as much as they could so they could artificially increase their stock prices
- They aggressively campaign for other companies to buy and integrate their models so both parties could artificially increase their stock prices
- In order to meet their artificially induced demand, they sucking the life out of the electricity grid, which is screwing over everybody else
- They’re also taking over the hardware industry and killing off consumer electronics since its more profitable for manufacturers to sell AI companies than to consumers
- They’re openly bribing, lobbying, and campaigning governments to give them grants, tax breaks, and keep regulations at a minimum so they could do whatever they want and have society pay for the privilege
- They’re using these LLMs to cut as many jobs as possible so they could penny pinch just a little more, hence the massive waves of recent layoffs recently. This is being done even if the LLM replacement is far worse in performance than humans.
- All of this is being done with zero regard to the environmental damage caused by them with their monstrous data centers and electricity consumption
- All of this is being done with zero regard to the harmful impacts caused to people and society. These LLMs frequently lie and spread misinformation, they feed into delusions and bad habits of mentally unwell people, and they’re causing great damage to schools since students could use these models to easily cheat and nothing can be done about it
When put all of this together, then it’s easy to understand why people hate AI. This is what people oppose, and rightfully so. These corporations created a massive bubble and put our economy at risk of a major recession, they’re destabilizing our infrastructure, destroying our environment, they’re corrupting our government, they’re forcing tens of thousands of people into dire financial situations by laying them off, they’re eroding our privacy and rights, and they’re harming our mental health… and for what? I’ll tell you, all of this is done so a few greedy billionaires could squeeze a few more dollars so they could buy their 5th yacht, 9th private jet, or 7th McMansion. Fuck them all.
That’s an exceptional pasta - well-worded!
Do you mind if I steal it?
I think it’s interesting, that they can steal all this stuff and yet be unable to figure out how to sell it.
All the money, all the data, all the energy, all the computer power, all the political control. And yet, they can’t manage to sell a single dollar worth of their product.
Of course it’ll be shittified by commericals in and out of the content, and of course that will lead to paid models, but it’s not going to be very profitable, because nobody _really _needs bad intelligence. “Oh, it costs something? No thanks then, we already have intelligence at home.”
Yes yes, the users are the product, yes, but who then is buying that user data? Commercials and stuff yeah yeah, but at what point does any of this manifest itself as a single fucking sales transaction where a real person pays a company for a real product? Fucking never.
The whole thing is worthless.
When people say “I fucking hate AI”, 99% of the time they mean “I fucking hate AI™©®”. They don’t mean the technology behind it.
To add to your good points, I’m a CS grad that studied neural networks and machine learning years back, and every time I read some idiot claiming something like “this scientific breakthrough has got scientists wondering if we’re on the cusp of creating a new species of superintelligence” or “90% of jobs will be obsolete in five years” it annoys me because its not real, and it’s always someone selling something. Today’s AI is the same tech they’ve been working on for 30+ years and incrementally building upon, but as Moore’s Law has marched on we now have storage pools and computing power to run very advanced models and networks. There is no magic breakthrough, just hype.
The recent advancements are all driven by the $1500 billion spent on grabbing as many resources they could - all because some idiots convinced them it’s the next gold rush. What has that $1500 bil got us? Machines that can answer general questions correctly around 40% of the time, plagiarize art for memes, create shallow corporate content that nobody wants, and write some half-decent code cobbled together from StackOverflow and public GitHub repos.
What a fucking waste of resources.
What’s real is the social impacts, the educational impacts, the environmental impacts, the effect on artists and others who have had their work stolen for training, the useability of the Internet (search is fucked now), and what will be very real soon is the global recession/depression it causes as businesses realize more and more that it’s not worth the cost to implement or maintain (in all but very few scenarios).
I’m really split with it. I’m not a 10x “rockstar” <insert modern buzzword> programmer, but I’m a good programmer. I’ve always worked at small companies with small teams. I can figure out how to parse requirements, choose libraries/architecture/patterns, and develop apps that work.
Using Copilot has sped my work up by a huge amount. I do have 10 YoE before Copilot existed. I can use it to help write good code much faster. It may not be perfect, but it wouldn’t have been perfect without it. The thing is I have enough experience to know when it is leading me down the wrong path, and that still happens pretty often. What it helps with is implementing common patterns, especially with common libraries. It basically automates the “google the library docs/stackoverflow and use code there as a starting point” aspect of programming. (edit: it also helps a lot with logging, writing tests, and rewriting existing code as long as it isn’t too whacky, and even then you really need to understand the existing code to avoid a mess of bugs)
But yeah search is completely fucked now. I don’t know for sure but I would guess stackoverflow use is way down. It does feel like many people are being pigeonholed into using the LLM tools because they are the only things that sort of work. There’s also the vibe coding phenomenon where people without experience will just YOLO out pure tech debt, especially with the latest and greatest languages/libraries/etc where the LLMs don’t work very well because there isn’t enough data.
LLMs are an okay’ish tool if your code style is not veering from what 99% of the open-sourced codebase looks like. Use any fringe concept in a language (for example, treat errors as values in languages ridden with exceptions, use functional concepts in an OOP language) and you will have problems.
Also, this crap tends to be an automated copy-paste. Which is especially bad when it skips on abstracting away a concept you would notice if you were to write the code yourself.
Source: own experience 😄
Totally agree. In my day to day work, I’m not dealing with anything groundbreaking. Everything I want/need to code has already been done.
if you have a Copilot license and are using the newest Visual Studio, it enables the agentic capabilities by default. It will actually write the code into your files directly. I have not done that and will not do that. I want to see and understand what it is trying to do.
Ai
- costs jobs
- consumes enormous amounts of energy which makes it bad for the environment and the utility costs
- makes the rich richer
- has still the hallucination problem
- makes generating fake news easier than ever
- uses copyrighted material for training without permission
- is used to fill the internet with AI slop
- is trained by big companies with their own political agenda
- fucks up the RAM/SSD market
- makes people dumber
- isn’t even AI
Why are we asking loaded questions as a first post in a new account?
Are you?
It’s a fair question to ask, given the situation with new accounts.
Does this not look suspicious to you?
Have you seen the RAM prices lately?
… And NVMe SSDs, and large HDDs.
I bought a Crucial P310 MVMe 2TB card barely three weeks ago for the already-inflated price of $132.58 (not on sale).
The exact same card from the exact same retailer is now $225.13.
70% increase in 21 days.
That’s the average amount of inflation we’d have in eighteen years.
Kibler was great.
I hate his flannel shirts and the way he’d always show the show’s mailing address whenever Tim said something stupid.
I don’t hate it, but my personal experience has been that it’s not reliable enough to depend on. I don’t like that it’s being pushed on us so hard when it will routinely let us down.
AI doesn’t exist. This is like asking an atheist why they hate god.
If you’re talking about LLMs and the like, they’re unpopular on Lemmy because tech people are over represented here and tech people understand how these technologies work and why all the hype isn’t just false, but malicious.
AI has existed for decades. The chessbot on Atari is an AI.
What doesn’t exist is AGI but that’s not synonymous with AI. Most people just don’t know the right terms here and bunch it all together as if it was all one thing.
If one is expecting a large language model designed to generate natural sounding language to be generally intelligent like an sci-fi AI assistant then no wonder they find it lacking. They’re expecting autonomous driving from a cruise control.
It’s not only tech people who “hate” AI.
— signed, half a tech person
if ai doesn’t exist then who is playing against me when i set the other civilizations to ai in rise of nations
Oh, that’s me. Microsoft gave me backdoor access to your computer so I can play against you.
using linux doesn’t protect me when i still run microsoft games on it i guess. it’s poetic in a way.
I know you’re meming, but in Civilization (as in most games), you’re playing against predefined scripts and algorithmic rules that the computer opponent has, as well as having cheaper costs for resources than the user at higher difficulty levels - because it cannot compete with a skilled human player at that level (it literally cheats).
No LLM, no neural network, no deep learning… not ‘AI’ in the modern sense that’s being discussed here.
It’s not predefined though. The rules of the game are but not its actions. It observes the environment and changes its behavior based on that. That’s narrow intelligence and thus meeting the criteria of AI.
A chess player isn’t not-intelligent either just because it’s bound by the rules of the game.
You mean a bunch of advertising and media companies that control and gatekeep the news are hyping something that’s making them trillions of dollars? That seems… so unbelievable!
Today my boss asked me why Gemini suggested made up columns when he was trying to query our database. I just told him it also makes up fake tables.
This shit is half baked and really never should have been foisted on the public.
This shit has cost the investors untold money, and it was promised to revolutionize the world, so by golly it will, by force if it must.
If artificial intelligence doesn’t exist explain Reddit.
Check mate Atheist.
No sign of intelligence there.
Game, set and match… believer?
I don’t hate LLMs I hate how they are being used and what they are being used for. I am not a luddite (even if I jokingly claim to be) and do see value in LLMs for some uses. Just not the ones they are primarily being used for in America
It’s a masterclass in externalities: local communities face the consequences of the resource consumption by the data centers.
Job loss: were all told the “knowledge market” is where you deserve a good salary. AI threatens a lot of that work. Blue collar factory work will go as soon as AI can be properly integrated with nimble robotics that aren’t quite there yet. With how disgusting our society is (in the US) there will be no consideration for the people who can no longer find work.
Wealth built on theft and gambling: people like Altman become fabulously wealthy with a system that makes 0 profit and has been built off of the stolen works of millions of people.
Capacity to manipulate: we’ve had enough trouble with bad faith actors on the Internet with real people. Now we’re going to have an endless army of “intelligent” actors that will be weaponized against populations worldwide to secure the position of the ultra wealthy over all of our governments.
I didn’t before much, but now I REALLY don’t have a positive outlook on our future because of this…
I think the job loss part is a capitalism problem, not just an AI problem.
If we automate work, the people should get the benefits of the automation, they shouldn’t have to be worried that they won’t have a job.
Yet AI in the LLMs sucks dick, costs us way too much in global warming, and provides very little concrete value.
We need a revolution yesterday.
I don’t. All the anti-intellectual technophobia we’re seeing right now will be a small footnote in history.
If I didn’t come to Lemmy I probably wouldn’t even know about the loud minority hating it. All the real people in my life either like it or don’t have much of an opinion to begin with.
