I didn’t really care for the Force Awakens, it was fine, but just slop, and it was a tipping point for me in not actually seeing movies in theatres anymore. So I ended up not seeing the last jedi, though from what I’ve heard I probably would’ve enjoyed it more than FA.
It was definitely the strongest of the three (admittedly not a high bar), largely because it had the courage to not just do complete fan service rehashing of the original trilogy again. There were some threads introduced that were somewhat interesting, but they dropped every single one of those threads for the third entry after the response from the fandom was overwhelmingly “we don’t want anything except exactly the same slop we’ve seen half a dozen times already.”
JJ Abrams and the guy who wrote Batman v Superman.
Star Wars doesn’t need a brilliant script, it just needs a simple, competent one. That’s what The Mandolorian (season 1) had, which is why people liked it so much.
I mean, just about any DC ip movie writer is suspect as hell imo, because more often than not it feels like the writer had only read Dark Knight Returns, Killing Joke, and Watchmen. And coincidentally those three stories seem to always be the only ones that DC ever remembers publishing as well.
And I’ve heard that Rise of Skywalker was exactly the same slop, even bringing back Palpatine just because, and of course, those same fans who demanded it fucking hated it as well.
To be fair, they also killed the big bad (Snoke lmao) in movie 2 of 3. Without any plan or reason. So they needed a big bad ultimate evil, because Palpatine was behind it all in both previous trilogies. Having him be the big bad in the prequels made SOME sense, but it was slop the third time. I enjoyed it for being a giant embarassment as wells as “old man has way too much fun being goofy evil”.
Like they could have had Kylo Ren become the actual big bad, but then people might be upset that their bad boy becomes Space Hitler (despite already being Space Hitler Youth).
They toyed with the girl… That I literally can’t recall the name of now. Rei? Ray? whatever. They toyed with her becoming evil, but resolved it so loosely I don’t even recall there being a “no this isn’t me, this is bad, I’m good” scene.
They could have even had some banality of evil shit, where the rank and file Hitlerites become the villians for a movie. But nah, completely jumping the shark.
I really think that if Johnson had been allowed to finish the trilogy, or if the person who did finish it hadn’t thrown all of his ideas directly in the fire, the third movie could have paid off some of these ideas and made the second one better in retrospect.
Snoke was a boring villain. Getting a cheap kill on him to refocus on Kylo was the right move, “somehow Palpatine returned” was the wrong one.
All of those ideas you had sound like they would’ve involved themes and depth which we can’t have, because it challenges audiences, and the focus group testing shows that audiences hate being forced to use the lump of meat in their heads, so it is obviously a no-go.
Yeah. I thought one of the more interesting moves the middle entry made was to suggest that Rey wasn’t a super special lost Skywalker (or Kenobi or whatever): she was just some girl from the middle of nowhere who happened to be thrust into greatness. That flies in the face of the “special boy does special things” theme of the series though, so they had to retcon it immediately.
Yeah, which is funny that all the CHUDs were mad about her being the special chosen one special girl, but somehow got even madder about the idea that there is no special chosen one destiny at all.
I guess it makes sense, they want life to hand success to them without effort on their part, so they want their media to reflect that.
I didn’t really care for the Force Awakens, it was fine, but just slop, and it was a tipping point for me in not actually seeing movies in theatres anymore. So I ended up not seeing the last jedi, though from what I’ve heard I probably would’ve enjoyed it more than FA.
It was definitely the strongest of the three (admittedly not a high bar), largely because it had the courage to not just do complete fan service rehashing of the original trilogy again. There were some threads introduced that were somewhat interesting, but they dropped every single one of those threads for the third entry after the response from the fandom was overwhelmingly “we don’t want anything except exactly the same slop we’ve seen half a dozen times already.”
Honestly, just about every single problem with the sequel trilogy can be traced back to J.J. Abrams being given the reins for any amount of time.
JJ Abrams and the guy who wrote Batman v Superman.
Star Wars doesn’t need a brilliant script, it just needs a simple, competent one. That’s what The Mandolorian (season 1) had, which is why people liked it so much.
I mean, just about any DC ip movie writer is suspect as hell imo, because more often than not it feels like the writer had only read Dark Knight Returns, Killing Joke, and Watchmen. And coincidentally those three stories seem to always be the only ones that DC ever remembers publishing as well.
And I’ve heard that Rise of Skywalker was exactly the same slop, even bringing back Palpatine just because, and of course, those same fans who demanded it fucking hated it as well.
To be fair, they also killed the big bad (Snoke lmao) in movie 2 of 3. Without any plan or reason. So they needed a big bad ultimate evil, because Palpatine was behind it all in both previous trilogies. Having him be the big bad in the prequels made SOME sense, but it was slop the third time. I enjoyed it for being a giant embarassment as wells as “old man has way too much fun being goofy evil”.
Like they could have had Kylo Ren become the actual big bad, but then people might be upset that their bad boy becomes Space Hitler (despite already being Space Hitler Youth).
They toyed with the girl… That I literally can’t recall the name of now. Rei? Ray? whatever. They toyed with her becoming evil, but resolved it so loosely I don’t even recall there being a “no this isn’t me, this is bad, I’m good” scene.
They could have even had some banality of evil shit, where the rank and file Hitlerites become the villians for a movie. But nah, completely jumping the shark.
I really think that if Johnson had been allowed to finish the trilogy, or if the person who did finish it hadn’t thrown all of his ideas directly in the fire, the third movie could have paid off some of these ideas and made the second one better in retrospect.
Snoke was a boring villain. Getting a cheap kill on him to refocus on Kylo was the right move, “somehow Palpatine returned” was the wrong one.
All of those ideas you had sound like they would’ve involved themes and depth which we can’t have, because it challenges audiences, and the focus group testing shows that audiences hate being forced to use the lump of meat in their heads, so it is obviously a no-go.
Yeah. I thought one of the more interesting moves the middle entry made was to suggest that Rey wasn’t a super special lost Skywalker (or Kenobi or whatever): she was just some girl from the middle of nowhere who happened to be thrust into greatness. That flies in the face of the “special boy does special things” theme of the series though, so they had to retcon it immediately.
Yeah, which is funny that all the CHUDs were mad about her being the special chosen one special girl, but somehow got even madder about the idea that there is no special chosen one destiny at all.
I guess it makes sense, they want life to hand success to them without effort on their part, so they want their media to reflect that.