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In the replies to that twitter post libreoffice made so many people were crashing out lmao their either saying “are you on bluesky or x and y platform ” and libreoffice says “yes we are” others saying that libreoffices voice will be lowered because they are not . . . Screaming into the void that is twitter , one calls mastodon fascist another calls it communist many are complaining about the instance that libreoffice is on ( even though they can choose another one ) the echo chamber web of twitter is COOKED .
Let’s gooooo!!! Also hoping we can get gif support on Mastodon/Pixelfed/etc. Would he a tiny yet massive way to make the platforms more interactive. Each community can enable or disable gifs as an option and allow users to disable gif’s completely. That would be a good way to have it
Honestly floored at how many open-source projects don’t even HAVE a Mastodon presence. Like, I get it, you need a social media presence where your users are (and at least a presence on the big, billionaire-owned platforms to at LEAST have a hedge against copycats/scammers), but at least HAVE one there. And have a Lemmy community! Yoof.
It’s even worse to see open sources projects use Discord for communication (looking at you, Bazzite)
Same best approach would be to just have a presence on legacy social media and the open source people social media
Amazing to see Mastodon instead of Bluesky there ! Too many people falling for the Bluesky trap…
Yeah, I’m surprised how many go to Bluesky. It’s just Twitter all over again, controlled by a single company.
What is the social media name of clown Zuck? I feel old
Threads.
Also instagram should be shown there too as its owned by facebook.
…and also Whatscrap
Thank you!
It wasn’t the “controlled by a single company” part that made me leave Twitter, honestly. It was the Nazi CEO…
that’s the best part, just as twitter was sold to a nazi bluesky can be sold to a nazi too!
that’s what happens when it is controlled by a single company
Then we’ll leave Bluesky too. 🤷
And fly to the next private one that will be bought in time by another Nazi?
If it’s a good replacement, maybe. I’ll deal with that if it happens. One battle at a time.
no need to worry, at that point the new nazi owner already has all the data they got from the platform
I’m with you on this one. Can’t knock every single product owned by a company assuming all CEOs are Nazis…
But a big red flag is when a company sells itself to a billionaire, or goes public on the stock market. That’s when we should start to worry.
The thing that make them move to Bluesky, its Elon, not the federation (Which is a shame tbh)
I think they do actually want Twitter again though. Admittedly, what Twitter used to be was still much better than what it is now.
Yeah, they are looking for “early twitter”, without reflecting too much on why “early twitter” that they loved turned into what it is today. I think many are forgetting that it took a turn for the worse long before Musk bought it.
Tbh I am on Bluesky more than Mastodon. Bluesky just feels easier to use. Normal users don’t care about federation. They want the app to work easily for them. Mastodon requires a bit to get a good feed etc. Bluesky you can be lazy. Wish Mastodon had like a default “what’s hot” or “Discover” feed. Really helps find people to follow as well.
That’a trading freedom for “convenience”
Ease of use is one of the failings of the federation that needs to be addressed or it will never have a larger pool of users.
But can it really be addressed? Centralized systems will probably always be easier to use. For example, if you want to follow a lemmy community, it will be community@somewhere instead of just the community name, and it will be possible to have competing communities with the same same but different servers. This will always leave people confused, and it’s something inherent to the federated model
That’s part of the problem. Confusion like this just leads people to not engage with the platform. I suppose it is what it is and just enjoy this place while there are still people here.
To complement my previous comment, I believe the best course for us would be, instead of trying to address something that will never be better than in centralized networks, to try creating things that are great and exclusive to the fediverse. People can deal with minor inconveniences if they get some unique experience in exchange
How can we create something exclusive to the fediverse?
Maybe having fediverse events, with each instance participating. Maybe even tournaments and championships, with each instance being like a team and having representative users, so that when we register in an instance, it won’t be simply entering a random server, but joining and rooting for a team.
That’s just a random idea. There are probably many other possibilities
Open source content serving algorithms? We’d need to classify the content and have a server that recommends based on the algorithm. Also, user tracking to some degree (but maybe that can be handled locally?)
I don’t see how it couldn’t theoretically be done on the user’s end with the right client. Choose a certain feed and the client takes the information shared in the incoming post data like the title, description, community, vote count, and instance. Then isolates each post, classifies it, ranks it based on user preferences stored locally like upvote and downvote history, and the client then chooses the order of posts to show to the user. And if you wanted to go there you could even have a local simple machine learning model creating descriptions of image posts to cover everything.
Granted I actually know nothing about programming, but I don’t think you’d actually be processing that much data if you kept the algorithm simple. All it actually has to do is just choose a ranking based on metrics and keywords and assigned values. It also doesn’t have to achieve maximum retention or have single digit millisecond load time, it just has to give people a customized experience.
The problem is that all this overhead and maintenance would require some form of monetization, like injecting ads into the feed. Something like that has almost no demand right now, because the options we have for sorting are good enough and the people who want custom algorithms don’t know what federation means and aren’t paying. And honestly I think it might be better without it, because personally I don’t want lemmy to go mainstream and am happy with where it is now. I sort by top of the day in All, which basically crowdsources ranking anyways.
I think a simple ‘popular’ or ‘trending’ feed wouldn’t need user tracking. Or if it was really needed to be customized maybe users could opt into share what topics they are interested in when they sign up
Wish Mastodon had like a default “what’s hot” or “Discover” feed. Really helps find people to follow as well.
You mean like Mastodon’s “Trending” and “Discover” feeds?
I don’t think that ease of use is the problem. The problem is, people want an exact copy. Most people don’t like changes, they just hope that the alternative is the same, just without the issues they leaving it. Same expectations for GIMP and Linux operating systems… (for the normie at least).
The last couple updates made it easier to access the trending feed (which afaik has existed since 2021) and added features like quote posts. Bluesky starter packs and custom shareable feeds are definitely its major perks.
The odds though bluesky will get bought up by right wing billionaires in the next 10 years is almost 100% unless there’s a major change in media management laws so don’t get too attached to bluesky since there is like a nonzero chance trump jr buys it with his crypto bribes.
“Trending” gets you somewhat the way there to a “what’s hot.” Though I wish it’d update more often.
But, in reality, that just means I get off of my phone sooner because I’ve seen the same stuff so that’s fine.
I don’t understand why any brand is on it. I ran a big brand account on tech product and there almost zero conversion rates coming from Twitter despite thousands of likes and views.
Twitter is mostly bots and grifters and only product you can grow there has to be for bots and grifters.
They were on mastrodon since 2019, its a shift away from twitter.
mastrodon? Did John Mastodon change his name lately?
I believe it was merely a typo.
Hey man I thought it was funny
John Mastrodonmus
Yeah they’re open-source minded, this totally aligns with their ideals. Good for them.
What took so long?!
They have been on Mastodon for many years already. As for why it takes so long to leave Twitter I guess it’s the same reason as everyone else - giving up on reaching the people there seems like a big loss to some.
based as hell
So fetch
My dad is a 60 year old warehouse manager and ex highschool-principal.
I recently found that he prefers using libreoffice at work for spreadsheets.
I did a test with a group of gen z on my work (I’m the IT guy) that never used excel before (Or used only once), and most of them liked libreoffice. The only detail was the ones that used Excel before, i change the interface to the microsoft one, but they did not liked. So they ask for the original from microslop…
LibreOffice does, what politicians are too scared to do.
Release the Epstein files?
Hehe, unfortunately not. But maybe you can read them soon with their brilliant software!
Libreofficedoes, what Nintendon’t.
Libredoffices, what Nintendon’t.
Tap for spoiler
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Yayy infact most OSSs should switch
Give them a follow at @libreoffice@fosstodon.org to show them support!
Edit: I tried to search how to create the link, but couldn’t find the right info, so would appreciate any insight. But you should be able to search in Mastodon for them.
does anyone know why fosstodon seems to be blocked on piefed.social?
Good news. The old fosstodon admins resigned and they have a new team and a good code of conduct.
I have added new functionality to PieFed so it’s now possible to override an automatically imported defederation and now piefed.social federates with fosstodon.org.
PieFed.social has not intentionally defederated from fosstodon - piefed.social automatically defederates from any instance that lemmy.world or mastodon.social defederates from. That way I don’t need to keep up with the latest fedi drama and just trust those admin teams to.
In this case, it’s lemmy.world.
I’ll ask around and see what the latest on fosstodon is and see if lemmy.world wants to federate with them again.
There was drama last year because the (or one?) moderator of fosstodon is a fascist.
That’s unfortunate. I understand the admin’s perspective, but most users, myself included, are likely in the dark about these backend issues. It’s frustrating to have barriers to following people in an already small community. Is this just the inevitable tradeoff of federation? If anyone knows of a less regulated piefed instance, I’m all ears.
Is this just the inevitable tradeoff of federation? If anyone knows of a less regulated piefed instance, I’m all ears.
it’s a tradeoff you’re choosing to accept by using piefed; it literally had other fediverse instances blocking hard coded in its source.
i hate letting anyone decide who i can and can’t talk to so i chose instances with minimal blocking set by default and you might want to consider it if letting others decide for you is causing you this sort of consternation.
Is this just the inevitable tradeoff of federation?
Not being able to follow someone isn’t a federation problem, it’s an instance mismatch problem.
When you can’t follow the people you want on Twitter (because they were banned), that’s an instance mismatch. Your preferences don’t align with Twitter’s.
The difference is that, with Twitter, there is only one instance. You can’t switch to a different Twitter where those people aren’t blocked.
On Fedi, you can choose an instance that blocks and federates according to your preference. And if you can’t find one (unlikely for most users), you can host your own.
If you just want Piefed instances with less regulation, these appear to have the fewest number of blocks:
As far as I can tell piefed.ca seems to be less regulated than piefed.social
Pretty sure both of the original admins of Fosstodon stepped downed.
Yeah, I think it’s reasonably run and invite-only now, so the ban should probably be lifted. @Skavau@piefed.social , something to consider? :)
@rimu@piefed.social This would have been a rimu decision.
I’m not sure if it’s Lemmy or my client (Jerboa) but when I tap on that link I don’t get their real Mastodon profile. I get something that looks legit, but it has minimal details and only one post from 9 months ago??
Libreoffice is great !
