The Soviet Union was not communist, so bad example. I agree with the premise though, I am just saying, that we should be more honest with our arguments.
I disagree with many points of Bolshevik and particularly USSR communism.
That said, it was ruled by the Communist Party. So it’s a fine example - and claims that even the flawed state socialist system of the USSR wasn’t more beneficial to the average person is ignoring exactly the natural experiment that Russia was.
Alright, then let me explain: There is no such thing as a communist state. Communism, as defined by Marx is a stateless classless society.
It was also not socialist, because the workers did not have any meaningful control over the state, which controlled the means of production. Ergo, the workers didn’t control the means of production and the Soviet Union can much better be described as state capitalism. It was also fascist.
Championing the Soviet Union as a “bull-work of communism” is also falling for American propaganda, because the US loves to portray the cold war as a struggle between capitalism and communism, which capitalism won.
To be truly empowered as leftist, we need to reject their false definitions and actually try to figure out the truth.
You don’t have to like the USSR, but fascism has a particular meaning - and the difference between even the Soviets and fascism was well defined by Mussolini, among others.
LOL
you certainly didn’t fall for American propaganda.
IDK what the people using the idiotic term ‘leftists’ to describe themselves mean by it, but they usually aren’t left.
I think you’re far from figuring out the truth.
There are plenty of ML’s who would gladly and thoroughly debunk your other claims with plenty sources and evidence (as I hope they do).
As it’s a good thing to educate people.
But I just pointed to the most staggeringly ridiculous one showing you’re pretty far gone.
You need a lot of work and studying.
Too early in the day and too hot, I have other work to do.
Then why even argue online if you are not gonna substantiate any of your claims?
MLs are idiots and leftism would be so much better of, if you people stopped pretending, that you belong to the leftist movements. You embody no real leftist ideals and just fell for the propaganda like everyone else.
The Soviet Union was not communist, so bad example. I agree with the premise though, I am just saying, that we should be more honest with our arguments.
(If you are wondering what I mean)
I disagree with many points of Bolshevik and particularly USSR communism.
That said, it was ruled by the Communist Party. So it’s a fine example - and claims that even the flawed state socialist system of the USSR wasn’t more beneficial to the average person is ignoring exactly the natural experiment that Russia was.
When did workers control the means of production in the USSR? When was the state abolished? When was money abolished? When was class abolished?
Communism never existed in the USSR it was run under state capitalism and the dictatorship of the proletariat never ended.
That’s nice.
Except the post is about the communist party, not communism - and which did run the USSR.
Yes, some american economist says so guys, checkmate.
Alright, then let me explain: There is no such thing as a communist state. Communism, as defined by Marx is a stateless classless society.
It was also not socialist, because the workers did not have any meaningful control over the state, which controlled the means of production. Ergo, the workers didn’t control the means of production and the Soviet Union can much better be described as state capitalism. It was also fascist.
Championing the Soviet Union as a “bull-work of communism” is also falling for American propaganda, because the US loves to portray the cold war as a struggle between capitalism and communism, which capitalism won.
To be truly empowered as leftist, we need to reject their false definitions and actually try to figure out the truth.
No, it wasn’t.
You don’t have to like the USSR, but fascism has a particular meaning - and the difference between even the Soviets and fascism was well defined by Mussolini, among others.
LOL
you certainly didn’t fall for American propaganda.
IDK what the people using the idiotic term ‘leftists’ to describe themselves mean by it, but they usually aren’t left.
I think you’re far from figuring out the truth.
You are not even gonna engage with the rest of the argument? I think that was the much more important part.
There are plenty of ML’s who would gladly and thoroughly debunk your other claims with plenty sources and evidence (as I hope they do).
As it’s a good thing to educate people.
But I just pointed to the most staggeringly ridiculous one showing you’re pretty far gone.
You need a lot of work and studying.
Too early in the day and too hot, I have other work to do.
Then why even argue online if you are not gonna substantiate any of your claims?
MLs are idiots and leftism would be so much better of, if you people stopped pretending, that you belong to the leftist movements. You embody no real leftist ideals and just fell for the propaganda like everyone else.
you made the laughable claims.
And you can shove your infantile pseudo-leftist up your ass.
You’re a clown. But no surprise since you’re a germ.