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Judging from the map provided in the article, it looks like a drone operator was aiming for Ukraine and either went long, or went short (depending whether they launched from Russia or Belarus).
Seems to be an “attack” caused by Russian incompetence.
On the verge of WWIII and I have a feeling the USA is is going to intervene immediately for the BRIC countries in this.
I just love the team-sport moralizing that’s apparently the norm in this community. Y’all seem to think that being critical of ‘the west’ is somehow the same as cheerleading Russia. As if Russia’s awfulness has any bearing at all on the US’s awfulness.
As if “the West” is one and the same with the US. It is like judging the entire south east pacific by the action of China.
Germany is western, and distrust the US nearly as much as Russia. 73% of French do not see the US as an ally. What is the criticism of “the West”? An entity that is only united by a shared cultural historical root, and a geographical affinity?
There’s some that ignore the horrors or Russia or excuse it because other imperialism bad, ours good.
Why do I feel like NATO will never act?
The attacked country has to request help.
And shocker, countries are a bit hesitant to start WW3
It might need to come to that. I mean, I don’t want it to, but you’ve got Russia who won’t admit they were butt fucked my a small country, the US has zero idea what their goals are in Iran, you’ve got a ton of Muslim extremist countries who want to behead anything that doesn’t fit in their Muslim box, China is feighning like their military doesn’t suck and they own entire South Pacific because why not.
We basically need a reset for everyone, and they’re all too fucking dumb and or “my dick is bigger” to understand.
Reset in this case is highly likely to result in Neolithic 2: unga bunga balloo.
Ok, but can you understand why they’d be hesitant to do that?
Clearly they are not ready, if Romania is in NATO and NATO didn’t shoot down the drone…
Can someone explain why NATO won’t just declare that 100km around their border is a no flight zone and everything will.be shot down that enters it unauthorized? (ofc with agreement of Ukraine)
Yes that’s probably seen as escalation but so what, Russia keeps escalating and aren’t stopped by mere words.
NATO might be led by idiots, but luckily they do draw the line at starting WW3.
WW3 started years ago the world is just scared to admit it.
Yeah, the chaos in the Sahel, the war in Ukraine, the US-Iran War, tension in the Caribbean are all linked directly or indirectly.
That zone would reach into the second largest Russian city.
Because NATO is at peace time, and there’s commercial and GA traffic that has to be able to fly in and out of the territory.
Would we put up with Russia declaring something similar? I don’t see how imposing a zone like that de-escalates the situation.
The West handicapped Ukraine’s ability to strike Russia until they developed their own domestic weapons program.
I thimk it’s very nice of RU to give NATO members all of these small warnings about drone insecurity, so that the can strengthen their cooperation with Ukraine.
Do the inches of NATO territory that were blown up in Romania count as “every inch”? Asking for a comr…friend.
As ever, I think that NATO should declare war on Russia and kill Putin. So long as Russia exists in its kleptocratic form, it will keep harassing everyone and be a boil on humanity’s ass.
Russia has been a boil on humanity’s ass for much longer than putin has been alive.
As ever, I think that NATO should declare war on Russia and kill Putin.
Ukraine is in need for men, why don’t you pack your bags and go there to fight russia?
- A: Don’t know the local languages, and my physique sucks.
- B: I don’t have much wealth, and I won’t be able to go back to the US, since I consider Trump to be a traitor.
- C: It is the EU’s responsibility to handle threats to themselves, be it Russian, Israeli, or American aggression.
: It is the EU’s responsibility to handle threats to themselves, be it Russian, Israeli, or American aggression.
You excluded yourself really quickly there. Article 5, dude. For a person who hates Trump you basically agreed with him because it’s convenient to you. Not cool.
EDIT: Democratic Russia would be neat. That we can agree on.
B: I don’t have much wealth, and I won’t be able to go back to the US, since I consider Trump to be a traitor.
Calling for a war on russia is easy from your couch but nobody wants to go die an atrocious dead fighting on the front lines, we all have our reasoning not to.
There are many ways conflicts and war could be prevented, for example not attacking other countries ourself and not doing business with dictatorships around the globe. Russian oligarchs are chilling in dubai drinking champagne next to western billionaires, governments don’t really give a shit about it because it’s not politicians or rich people that are going to die on the front lines over a fucking inch of dirt.
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“Nato” all through the article is infuriating, but at least you know a human wrote it.
That’s the Guardian’s house style for acronyms: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/51924/proper-capitalization-of-commonly-used-acronyms-and-initialisms
Neat
Use all capitals if an abbreviation is pronounced as the individual letters: BBC, VAT, etc; if it is an acronym (pronounced as a word) spell out with initial capital, eg Nasa, Nato, unless it can be considered to have entered the language as an everyday word, such as awol, laser and, more recently, asbo, pin number and sim card. Note that pdf and plc are lowercase.
Huh, I thought VAT was also pronounced as a word
Both definitely happen, but this is almost certainly a formal writing versus common vernacular thing.
As for why, I’d guess the pronunciation as a word could be mistaken for the actual word “vat” or, worse, “fat”. Most people want fat on their goods almost as much as they want V.A.T., but now there’s confusion added into the mix.
Wow. That’s dumb.
If nothing else, for the reason already discussed, that sometimes things like VAT are pronounced as a word and sometimes as initials. If you just write it like everyone else in the world who doesn’t write for the Guardian, then it’s just up to the reader whether it’s used as an acronym or an initialism. Nobody at NASA writes “Nasa” and NATO doesn’t use “Nato” (and “pin number” is redundant).
It’s like when the New Yorker uses diacriticals on words with repeated vowels like “coöperate.” Never once has anyone read that and thought “boy, that sure makes that word easier to read.” It just makes you think they’re being pretentious for attention.
It’s just a British thing. I say ye typewriter quotes (always .” instead of ”.) are dumb.
Never eat angry tomatoes
The Economist has a similar standard: https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/style_guide_12.pdf (see the ‘pronounceable abbreviations’ section, for instance)
Possibly incompetence, possibly a trap to draw NATO in, either way, NATO should not get invoke Article 5 yet.
That’s Romania’s call.
Incompetence definitely has Occam’s approval at this time.
Especially as it was a single drone.
If they do more from here my mind might change, but looks like an operator overshot in some way.
Then you allow Putin to play his incrimental game. Asysemtric is his bread and butter, I almost think not invoking the article yet plays to his strengths. Im not gonna claim invoking it now is the correct move but the rest of what I said remains true weather it’s right or wrong to respond now.
If Putin wanted to invade Romania, he wouldn’t send just a single drone. This is more likely a false flag than an actual attempt at conquering Romania.
Not sure what you mean by false flag in this context, but the drone was identified as Russian and Romania most definitely did not attack itself
Could, be false flag, or russia testing the waters or truly a wayward drone. Whichever was the original cause, russia will gauge the reaction to see how much they can attack “Nato” targets and get away with it. If they find that drone strikes they can cast doubt into its orgins will go unpunished, there will be alot of “wayward” drones in Europe.
It’s not false flag. Don’t feel obligated to legitimize this dude’s baseless speculation just for the sake of debate.
They are here already and have been for some time, it keeps being all over the news.
Though they don’t appear to carry explosive payloads… yet.This one did, actually. It exploded, injured two people and blew a hole in the roof of the building.
Got a good local news source that idiots like me can plug into Google Translate?
lol you’re ahead of me with the edit, nice!
I don’t have a source for idiots, but you won’t need one of those. Here is a source for regular folks like yourself:
EDIT: Yea, I got self-conscious about not including a source above so I came back lol
…yet. If the only thing NATO is doing from stopping them from this continued escalation is strong words, it is only a matter of time. Stay safe.
I’m so confused by all 4 of the comments in this thread having poor English, grammar and syntax. I completely get that English isn’t everyone’s 1st language, but very similar errors from four different users in a single comment chain about international affairs just seems kinda sus to me
It’s still the case that users from the US dominate most online spaces, so illiteracy is to be expected. I wouldn’t consider it suspicious on its own.
Sick burn
Which similar errors did you notice? I didn’t see anything specific, but I’m curious
This space has a larger proportion of non-americans than older social media sites, if that helps explain anything
The similarities are that they’re generic errors, nothing specific. Extra spaces, missing apostrophes, incorrect homophones being used, inappropriate comma usage, missing capitalization. It just seems off in a consistent but subtle way
Legitimately, those are reasons to trust them, not to distrust. Chat bots don’t usually make those mistakes.
When it comes to news involving Russia, I assume most people responding to me are Ukrainians using google translate or a similar language translator.
Well, I for one learned english from reading comics and grammer from a “how to grammer for dummies”, so english is my first and only language but I know im bad at it. I learned if the person reading can correct it, it means they understood the meaning enough. Sorry for bad english.
I suck at spelling and grammar becsuse I moved to a different continent when I was young and started on a very different school curriculum, even just yesterday I told my mom it was right not to push me ahead a year when they didn’t know where to put me because I still feel like I missed stuff.
Nato ready to order people to defend every inch of territory.
How else would they defend territory? Even if they only use drones for defence, someone has to operate them.
someone has to operate them.
What about you? Are you ready to fight on the front lines to defend an inch of territory?
What is your suggestion then for dealing with invading dictatorships?
Invading dictatorships like israel fascist government? The one we are arming and helping to even repress the peaceful protests against a genocide they are perpetrating?
The west is still doing business with russia, the sanctions are being bypassed through countries like turkey. Russia is buying arms from china which we do plenty of business whit. Russian oligarchs are chilling in dubai right now next to western billionaires. My suggestion would be to not be scum ourself and actually start to act like the good guys, war is part of a system that we fuel directly, the conflict with russia is part of a century old war western countries and russia have been fighting with dirty tricks like false flag operations on both sides.
“The West” is still doing business with Russia, but be patient. I have it on fairly good authority the 21st EU sanctions package will contain a full services ban. This will effectively end all European involvement in transporting Russian crude/products, other commodities, etc. Probably in the Autumn.
If you as an individual have a problem with Russia’s stalled war of aggression against it’s neighbors, they would like Putin to have the ability to kill you in person. So therefore you should put YOUR money where THEIR mouth is and go volunteer.
I have ZERO confidence in NATO as an actual defensive force. It’s an organization run by a corrupt, collapsing paper tiger, and its assortment of cowardly European client states.
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