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The end of Chrome. FTFY.
Any timeline could be described in either weeks or months
The article says it’s an extension for add-on, but it only talks about uBlock Origin. Are there others? I use NoScript to effectively allow what JS is run because some sites are terrible. The learning curb is you have to guess which domains to allow.
Shame for anyone still using Google Chrome.
Finally, thanks God.
Cut the umbilican cord a couple months ago. Wasn’t inconvenienced in the slightest.
I use Waterfox for almost everything because it has that Chrome feel and speed to it.
I do, on occasion, use Edge for websites that do not play nicely with Firefox. Most of those tend to be government websites, which unfortunately I have to deal with from time to time.
Firefox for two decades, got tired of Mozilla’s bloat and their “AI first company” announcement was the last straw, Waterfox has been great. :)
I use Helium for those websites
Helium is a chromium browser, so unless they plan a hard fork, will be in the same boat as the rest when this is implemented.
Yes
Not the end of the world but not great. Realistically UB0’s functionality should be part of the browser instead of an extra add on, Google is right to kill ManifestV2 for security and UB0 is the only MV2 extension anyone should actually be using.
Not sure what this is. Can you provide a brief synopsis?
The browser
Well that was definitely brief. 😅
I really like Iceraven on mobile.
okay but can firefox fix GPay and all that
Why are people using chrome?
Why did people use Internet Explorer before it?
It’s just “the internet button” for most people, the same as Windows is just “the computer” and Android is “the phone”.
The idea that you can change out fundamental software components of a modern computing device is alien to them.
“People” have no IT knowledge. They use Chrome because they recognize its icon as the one you click to make web sites happen. They have practically no knowledge of it beyond that, including that there are other options and the reasons why they might prefer those.
The majority of people just can’t fucking be bothered, don’t fucking care or are completely unaware that there are other options.
Yes, there are options, but some of those people see them as inconvenient.
Pretty much this. People on the fediverse generally forget how ridiculously non-tech savvy the public at large is, moreso the underlying issues with things like AI, tracking, etc.
And even if the public does know they can just shrug and say “so what?”
People don’t know, don’t want to know, and can’t be bothered if told.
Also recognise that for some people, thing breaking is either scary, or just more annoying than ads. They expect add, but freak out when a website is broken -which will always be a possibility with adblockers due to the nature of them.
I only have it installed so I can configure my Keychron keyboard.
When you use Google services there’s a very annoying popup “why u no use Chrome” that appears at least once every three week and you can only choose between “ok I give up, install now” and “no, ask me again for the 134th time”
Or you could just stop using google services?
I have seen that on Firefox one time in 3 years
It appears almost every single time I login to gmail
There is your problem. You are using shitty gmail.
Integration and convenience for those people. Literally a closed wall garden environment much like iOS, Windows, or Facebook.
A few days ago, I had to use the Graphite image editor to refine a 3D scene I rendered in Blender. I’m a daily user of Waterfox, but for some reason, whenever I access the Graphite WebApp, it instantly grows in RAM usage, as the whole Waterfox freezes and crashes (which I found out to be a specifically a “core dump” kind of crash when I launched the browser from a terminal). Same for Librewolf. Then I had the idea of accessing Graphite through a spare Chromium (not Chrome, but still a Google thing) I unwittingly have to keep for development purposes, and suddenly it worked without a hassle, it didn’t even require that much RAM.
This happens because Graphite, just like many webapps out there, was made with Chromium-based browsers in mind, likely using some esoteric features which are unavailable or badly implemented in Firefox-based browsers (an incompatibility of which indirectly affects Waterfox).
This, I guess, is part of why people still use Chromium-based browsers: because it became indistinguishable from Internet Explorer and its idiosyncratic features (ActiveX) back in 2000s, with most developers (including myself) coding webpages that used said features (think about having to deal with the filesystem: devs would either have to use Java or devs could use the cool
FileSystemObjectActiveX; similar thing applies nowadays with some HTML5 APIs that can be quite useful for some webapps but are only properly implemented in Chromium). At least we used to have a “This site is better viewed in IE7 on Windows XP with a resolution of 1024 x 768 and Macromedia Flash Player installed” back then, now webpages can simply crash the whole browser when it doesn’t refuse to load after an endless spinning animation.Don’t get me wrong: I would neither recommend Chromium, nor anything Google-related, for anyone, not even my worst enemies (a daily reminder for people, especially we Fediversers, to stop recommending the damn Youtube)… but this is the depressing reality of Web, and IT in general: things (some of which are sine qua non for “living in society” nowadays, such as internet banking and government platforms) that can only function in a specific platform/browser, be it Windows (when it comes to desktop platform), Android (when it comes to mobile) or Chromium (when it comes to the Web).
Honestly the more I think about this the more I think Chromium has become actively harmful to the Internet overall.
The problem isn’t Chromium itself. The problem is that we’re going back to the old days of Internet Explorer, where every popular site is optimized for Internet Explorer (including its non standard quirks) and thus other browsers don’t render it right. And some websites would detect a non-IE useragent and just refuse to load.
The problem is the dependence. Google announces that MV2 is going away and suddenly 5 other ‘independent’ browsers (which are all just Chromium reskins) say ‘yeah it’s going away, sorry too bad so sad but there’s absolutely nothing anyone can do about it our hands are tied’. No one company should have this much control over the browser ecosystem, not even Google. (or these days, especially not Google since they seem to embrace their shedding of the ‘don’t be evil’ mantra).
I think there’s an opening, but it requires resources. A good web rendering / javascript engine isn’t a weekend project. But I think it’s worth the effort to make a new one. And like Chrome’s origins, it should be focused on speed and efficiency.
I say that as a student of history-- used to be IE for normies and Firefox (with a ton of extensions) for nerds. Then Chrome came along, and could often render a page in under 100ms. So everyone (nerds and normies) adopted it. Only now it’s full of Google bloat, web pages cram megabytes of javascript bullshit (to the point that if you hit a major news site, your browser is literally running a live auction in javascript to see who wins the pleasure of showing you an ad), plus a ton of tracking crap. So unfortunately javascript isn’t going away, but a new rendering engine is necessary.
There was a time when Chrome was that much better. Since then, nothing else has been better enough to switch.
Because some sites don’t work unless you have Chrome.
I guess I don’t use those sites then
Especially on mobile… It’s crazy how many times I tried to do a food order or some checkout process and mobile Firefox just hits some error.
There’s always Brave. And yeah, I know there’s some dilema going on out there, but it works for stuff that only loads on chrome.
Ungoogled Chromium works, too.
Does ungoogled chromium have an ads and tracker blocker integrated regardless of the MV2 block in it’s upstream Chromium base?
No. I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it.
Fair enough
Haven’t used chrome in years. The closest I’ve been to it is Brave, and I only use it when shit doesn’t load on LibreWolf or IceRaven.
Switch to firefox.
I would so love if this causes an usage spike for Firefox, so that all websites and webapps start testing for Firefox compatibility again…
The install counts for ad block extensions is surprisingly lower than you’d think.
uBlock only peaked just shy of 30M users, so much less than 1% of general users. Obviously it’s not that cut and dry, but you get the idea. It’s unlikely they have much influence no matter where they go.
How many of those 3 billion Chrome users were on desktop though? Mobile is the default for most of the world.
Mobile Firefox has uBlock too, at least on Android.
FF on iOS has not been given a lot of attention for a long time. Apparently this has changed, however I’m yet to see that and the issues I have with FF on iOS keeps me away. Some people try to defend Mozilla and blame Apple - and of cause there is some blame there - but other iOS browsers, including Safari, does a much better job. I’m on Vivaldi for that reason, with the latest version 8 have fixed the few annoying issues I had with it.
Isn’t that just because iOS rules mean Firefox is just reskinned Safari? Or do Apple allow other browser engines now?
That’s what people keep saying (and yes, only in the EU are alternative browser engines allowed), however other browsers on iOS can create a decent browser experience. A few things that aren’t supported on FF iOS, that IMO should have been available a long time ago and stops me from using FF anywhere as I want syn mobile with my desktop browser:
- Rearrange icons (web site shortcuts) on the FF Start Page. Also, not synced.ø
- Very limited custom search engine settings (no search suggestions supported, very few search engines to choose from)
- No auto close old inactive tabs
For some reason, mobile FF is so bad on iOS, I keep it only to send links to my desktop or laptop.
I have uBlockOriginLite working with Safari on iOS just fine. I don’t use Firefox much on mobile because Safari works fine for me in that context but I assume it would work in Firefox too.
I use Vivaldi because I’m also synchronising with Linux. Had it just been a Mac, I would been perfectly fine with Safari. I think Safari is the best browser on iOS, using Wipr with it. Safari is just so polished and it has just the features I and less cluttered than all the other browsers and everything is silky smooth and load times are super fast.
IDK that it’s much less than 1% of general users, considering it’s .4% of the total global population, and even as #1 not everyone uses Chrome on desktop (but also some people have multiple desktops…).
But your point is still valid, if the roughly 1% desktop market share shifts to FF, not a lot is likely to change.
If that were true, Google wouldn’t be fighting them so hard.
You’re saying there are 3 billion Firefox users? That doesn’t sound right. Or you mean 3 billion chrome users?
I think they mean approximate chrome users. There’s about 3.8 billion of them.
Firefox has a user base of approximately 150 million users (and that’s down from 206 million in like 2004).
Fuck Firefox and it’s Pro-AI shit. Firefox has its own issues too, that’s why people are choosing forks of it than the main deal.
Make it the end of Chrome instead.
This isn’t really news. Anyone who cared and was able to do so isn’t using chrome anymore. They could add back what is needed for ad blockers to work and it wouldn’t bring back enough people to matter.
Pichai. Remember that name.
That fucking banchode running Alphabet.
Remembering that name is pointless. He is an out-of-touch oligopoly CEO indistinguishable from every other out-of-touch oligopoly CEO. They are completely interchangeable to the point where it makes no functional difference who’s running the companies.
The system that creates the oligopoly conditions is the enemy you’re looking for. Directing your ire at the CEOs themselves is useless and one of the reasons they exist: soak up blame so people rail against the CEO instead of trying to fix the underlying problem.
Yeah? I had trouble trying to know who’s running that monolith until the last two years they start realizing that fucking walled garden… and AI!
Don’t use Chrome
