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- communism@lemmygrad.ml
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- communism@lemmygrad.ml
apparently this guy is anti-Dengist but I was once too
Picked a random section…
Trotsky’s plan to protect the USSR was “Permanent Revolution” — the idea that the surest way for socialist Russia to survive the coming onslaught was to spread and bolster all of the revolutions emerging in countries around the world (as the globe had been a hotbed of revolutions leading up to and following World War I). Trotsky felt that by focusing on spreading and exporting revolution around the world, coupled with “light industrialization” (Trotsky’s own words), the new allies that successfully revolt would keep a cycle of never-ending revolution going, thus ensuring the security of the Russian Revolution through more and more countries of the world going socialist through these never ending, ever increasing revolutions.
Stalin’s plan, on the other hand, was “Socialism in one-country,” which is often misused, deceitfully, to imply some type of ultra-nationalism that did not actually exist. “Socialism in one country” is sometimes more accurately translated as “Siege-socialism” or “Socialism-under-siege” in other languages. Stalin saw the revolutions in the other parts of the world being violently crushed by trained professional armies, with tanks and planes and other products of heavy and super-heavy industry, and concluded that no/few new allies would emerge, and the only way for a socialist Russia to survive would be a plan of intense heavy industrialization and to militarize in a way that would allow the nation to defend itself from the expanding imperialist militaries. The idea was that Russia would have to be self-sufficient because help was not on the way and the imperialists would soon be returning for another wave of hostilities. All of that industry would need to be used to defend the USSR, said Stalin, to create, supply, outfit, and mobilize the greatest land army in history.
When Hitler commenced Operation Barbarossa, with the explicit and stated intent of exterminating the Slavic peoples, his notion for defeating the Soviet Union was that “You only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.” Hitler had mustered 150–200 or so divisions to take the Soviet Union, amassed from the some 360 million people living in Nazi controlled Europe. From all of their top intelligence, knowledge of Russia (remember Weimar Germany had partnered closely with the Russian military up to 1933), looking at Russia’s performance in WW1 through the Winter War, they surmised that the Soviet Union and all of it’s 170 million people would be capable of fielding some 100 divisions, and perhaps later another 100 more that would be under-equipped.
Instead, Hitler’s invasion was met by no fewer than 400 (and by some accounts upwards of 800) fully armed, properly equipped, mobilized Soviet Divisions defending their homeland. Contrary to lies made up for Enemy at the Gates, the Soviets did not use human wave tactics, and did not send front line troops into battle with no gun. With absolutely vast industrial capacity (including engineering feats like re-building entire factories transported from trains in the Ural mountains) that are among the greatest, and yet least talked about, accomplishments in human history. The overwhelming Soviet force, backed by overwhelming Soviet industry, as laid out in deliberate material plans, specifically from both Lenin and Stalin, lead to the greatest land army ever assembled liberating Europe and crushing Nazi Germany, ending the fascist threat.
This is entirely a historical if not flat out wrong.
So first off Stalin vs Trotsky had nothing to do with WW2 battle readiness.
In fact Stalin the utter moron was in the middle of the Great Purge that was decimating the professional army Trotsky built so when Hitler invaded Stalin had his pants down. Out of 5 Marshall, only 2 survived the Great Purge by the start of Barbarossa. Stalin purged the officer ranks significantly.
Stalin personally fucked up the defenses and moved them south of Pripyat when everyone said that the Wehrmacht would go north of Pripyat. Stalin also ignored multiple intelligence tips from Britain and Mao.
Stalin’s State Defence Plan 1941 (DP-41), which along with the Mobilisation Plan 1941 (MP-41), called for the deployment of 186 divisions and 51 divisions in the primary and secondary theaters.
A large problem with the initial Soviet defense forces in Barbarossa was literally transportation they had little APCs or trucks.
specifically from both Lenin
LENIN WAS DEAD FOR 19 YEARS THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Instead, Hitler’s invasion was met by no fewer than 400 (and by some accounts upwards of 800) fully armed, properly equipped, mobilized Soviet Divisions defending their homeland.
Again this is just wrong for not only the initial defense but for the totality of Barbarossa. Soviets had to field ~448 divisons over 3 years because they were fucked in 1939, so much so they disbanded their armored divisions to get more infantry. Their actual leg up on the Germans was in their artillery counts, and their airforce.
Hitler had mustered 150–200 or so divisions to take the Soviet Union, amassed from the some 360 million people living in Nazi controlled Europe.
This is just pandering and fudging numbers. The Axis force for Barbarossa was 3.8 million, the Soviet defense was ~9 million. The Axis had roughly 181 divisions and the Soviets 448. The obsession on “division” counts makes no sense because the size of a division is effectively unique to each military structure. They’re not fungible.
The overwhelming Soviet force, backed
It wasn’t overwhelming. In fact after Barbarossa failed, Stalingrad happened in 1943 during Operation Heer. Kutuzov was a response to Heer which happened after Barbarossa. The fact that the Luftwaffe managed to gain air superiority over the 19,533 aircraft that the USSR had was a travesty in how Barbarossa was fought. The Luftwaffe destroyed ~4k soviet aircraft in the same week the soviets took out ~700.
This is entirely slop level bullshit.


