Brazil - slavery was abolished by ordinary law in 1888 (“Lei Áurea”), predating the current 1988 constitution, which then enshrined the prohibition directly in its text.
Mauritania - abolished slavery by decree in 1981, then criminalized it more explicitly through legislation in 2007, though this was statutory rather than a constitutional amendment.
India (1950) – Article 23 prohibits trafficking in human beings and forced labor, including slavery-like practices.
South Africa (1996) – Section 13 of the Bill of Rights bans slavery, servitude, and forced labor.
Germany – Article 1 combined with statutory law prohibits slavery under the broader human dignity clause.
Ghana (1992) – explicitly prohibits slavery in its Bill of Rights.
Ethiopia (1995) – its constitution includes a slavery prohibition.
Many Latin American constitutions (Colombia, Peru, Venezuela, etc.) contain explicit anti-slavery clauses, often tracing back to 19th-century independence-era abolition.
People acting like America is the only country that had slaves. Here’s another list for your edification!
Portugal - among the earliest and largest traders, especially to Brazil
Britain - dominant by the 18th century, especially via Liverpool and Bristol
France - significant role, especially to the Caribbean (Saint-Domingue/Haiti)
Spain - mainly through licensing other nations (asiento system) to supply its colonies
Netherlands - major early trader, especially via the Dutch West India Company
Denmark - smaller but notable participant.
And what country has the most stringent laws concerning slavery and human trafficking that would be America. We hate human traffickers more than we hate pedophiles around here.
Are you fucking joking lmao. Those are all countries which have banned slavery.
America has never banned slavery. In fact, they baked it into the constitution.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States
Fucking disgusting country that still uses hundreds of thousands of slaves to this day!!
I’ve already addressed the constitutional aspect of slavery in the United States.
There is no form of slavery in the U.S. that is supported by either the government or the general public.
Slavery and human trafficking are among the most serious crimes you can commit in America and are prosecuted aggressively with severe penalties.
We do not have legal slavery. What we do have is significant wealth and wage inequality, which is an entirely different discussion worth having, just not here.
At this point, it feels like you just want to take cheap shots at America. That’s your prerogative. We allow that sort of criticism here. Criticize the country all you want.
According to the ACLU, prisoners at the Louisiana State Pen (Angola) pick cotton and sugarcane for $0.02/hr. Many must work for up to 3 years without pay to be eligible for this wage.
Those who “choose” not to work are placed in solitary confinement, a practice that is considered torture in most first world nations.
Yeah, because it uses slavery lol. We aren’t talking about my country, we’re talking about America, which is currently aiding a genocide in the middle east, and starting multiple wars this year alone, all while using slavery for manual labor.
We don’t use slavery for manual labor. That’s an extreme exaggeration of what’s happening in a small number of prisons in a handful of states.
If you’d like to discuss wage inequality or the wealth gap, I’m happy to do that, but it’s a different conversation than the one we’re having here.
So why aren’t we talking about your country?
I think I understand why you won’t answer. There are only two possibilities: either you’re from America, in which case you’re applying a double standard, or you’re from another country with its own serious problems, in which case you’re hardly in a position to lecture anyone.
There isn’t a single country on Earth, past or present, that hasn’t committed moral wrongs or isn’t currently grappling with serious moral failings. That doesn’t excuse them, but it does mean criticism should be applied consistently rather than selectively.
The “horrendous social issue” at hand is forcing people to work without pay. Another word for this is “slavery”. I’m sure you’ve caught on by now that the 13th amendment has a loophole for enslaving convicts.
I am aware of all of this, and I’ve consistently acknowledged it throughout this entire exchange. I’m not deceiving myself into believing I live in some kind of utopia. I don’t. America has very serious problems.
I asked what country they’re from because it’s relevant to the discussion. There is not a single country on Earth that is free of blemishes, whether in its history or in its present.
Calling America a bad country while living in a country with its own serious flaws is an act of hypocrisy.
We’re all just people living on the same planet, each under whatever political system we happened to be born into.
If you live in America, then you know how good many aspects of life are here. It’s not the best country on Earth, and we absolutely have severe problems that need to be addressed. But it’s still a good place to live, with good people and a culture that has produced an enormous amount of good for the world. Our leadership is often disappointing, and the rise of nationalism is genuinely concerning. Those are problems worth opposing in every lawful way we can.
What I’m not willing to do is join in treating America as though it’s uniquely evil while ignoring the faults of every other nation. I love the United States. I’m a patriot. I love the people who live here, and I have no desire to leave for another country.
Wait, so now you have “consistently acknowledged” that the US has legalized slavery enshrined in the Constitution? This is very confusing, as we can all scroll up and see your earlier comments.
There is no form of slavery in the U.S. that is supported by either the government or the general public.
We do not have legal slavery.
A real patriot acknowledges their country’s faults, no matter how difficult this may be. A real patriot does not stick their head in the sand and make excuses about “the faults of every other nation”. I get the strong impression that you are not a real patriot.
Feel free to check my comment history at any point. I’ve admonished America on many levels. We have very serious problems, and I even acknowledged that in the comment above.
I’ll tell you what I tell everybody else: antebellum chattel slavery in the United States is not the same thing as requiring labor from a convicted felon. Even then, incarcerated felons retain a multitude of constitutional rights.
You have no reason to believe what I’m about to tell you because I have no way to prove it. But I’ve done time in the U.S. prison system, so I’m uniquely familiar with that environment. As flawed as our court system is, and as dysfunctional as some of our prisons are, I can tell you that I and the people I served time with deserved to be there.
Does our prison system need reform? Absolutely. Probably more than almost any other institution in the United States right now.
I also stand up for my country when I see people making unsubstantiated blanket statements about things they know nothing about. Many of them probably learned about America’s problems through their own state-run or heavily biased media.
The rest of the world often dislikes America, and sometimes for legitimate reasons. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to sit quietly while some bloke on Lemmy badmouths the country I love.
America is one of the worst empires to ever exist lmao, you’re not better than anyone at all.
Slavery and human trafficking aren’t crimes at all in America. The president is a pedophile rapist human trafficker, and you use prisoners as slaves in almost every state!! You know nothing of your own country, or your willfully evil to defend it!
I’ve done absolutely nothing to defend my country. In fact, I’ve been criticizing it quite heavily.
I’ll correct you once again: slavery, pedophilia, and human trafficking are all extremely illegal in this country, and they are punished severely.
The fact that the people associated with the Epstein files, including our own president have not been arrested, held accountable, and punished is a black stain on our history that we may never fully recover from.
I’ll correct you once again: slavery, pedophilia, and human trafficking are all extremely illegal in this country, and they are punished severely.
No. They simply aren’t. You’re wrong. Thanks for the comment.
Again, we aren’t talking about my country. You seem eager to know, because you want to point your finger at anything that distracts from the vileness of your country. Sorry, not taking the bait. Death to America.
The reason we’re not discussing your country is because you know it’s worse than ours.
You think America is such a terrible country that we enslave our own people, commit all these horrible acts, and somehow deserve the death of an entire population. So what exactly makes you better than an American?
I’d say you’re significantly worse than the average American by any reasonable standard.
You’re just an immoral elitist who thinks he’s better than America because he parrots state media from his own country.
You can hate America as much as you want, but the reality is that the United States remains one of the most powerful countries on Earth. If your argument ultimately boils down to wishing death on millions of people while claiming moral superiority, you’ve already lost the moral argument.
Death to America does not mean death to Americans. Your country has caused more death and destruction than any country I can think of. It deserves to be sanctioned out of existence and balkanized.
I’m not even going to bother reading the rest of your long ass cry baby comment. I’m done with this stupid back and forth babble. Bye bye
Right. “Death to America” doesn’t mean its people. Sure. Whatever you say, asshole.
The moment someone challenges your worldview, you run away. As soon as somebody questions the narrative you’re comfortable repeating in your echo chamber, you tuck your tail and leave.
That’s the difference. People can challenge ideas here, even harshly. That’s why America is better than what you’re demonstrating.
Are you kidding me?
Brazil - slavery was abolished by ordinary law in 1888 (“Lei Áurea”), predating the current 1988 constitution, which then enshrined the prohibition directly in its text.
Mauritania - abolished slavery by decree in 1981, then criminalized it more explicitly through legislation in 2007, though this was statutory rather than a constitutional amendment.
India (1950) – Article 23 prohibits trafficking in human beings and forced labor, including slavery-like practices. South Africa (1996) – Section 13 of the Bill of Rights bans slavery, servitude, and forced labor.
Germany – Article 1 combined with statutory law prohibits slavery under the broader human dignity clause.
Ghana (1992) – explicitly prohibits slavery in its Bill of Rights.
Ethiopia (1995) – its constitution includes a slavery prohibition.
Many Latin American constitutions (Colombia, Peru, Venezuela, etc.) contain explicit anti-slavery clauses, often tracing back to 19th-century independence-era abolition.
People acting like America is the only country that had slaves. Here’s another list for your edification!
Portugal - among the earliest and largest traders, especially to Brazil
Britain - dominant by the 18th century, especially via Liverpool and Bristol
France - significant role, especially to the Caribbean (Saint-Domingue/Haiti)
Spain - mainly through licensing other nations (asiento system) to supply its colonies
Netherlands - major early trader, especially via the Dutch West India Company
Denmark - smaller but notable participant.
And what country has the most stringent laws concerning slavery and human trafficking that would be America. We hate human traffickers more than we hate pedophiles around here.
Are you fucking joking lmao. Those are all countries which have banned slavery.
America has never banned slavery. In fact, they baked it into the constitution.
Fucking disgusting country that still uses hundreds of thousands of slaves to this day!!
I’ve already addressed the constitutional aspect of slavery in the United States.
There is no form of slavery in the U.S. that is supported by either the government or the general public.
Slavery and human trafficking are among the most serious crimes you can commit in America and are prosecuted aggressively with severe penalties.
We do not have legal slavery. What we do have is significant wealth and wage inequality, which is an entirely different discussion worth having, just not here.
At this point, it feels like you just want to take cheap shots at America. That’s your prerogative. We allow that sort of criticism here. Criticize the country all you want.
We’re still better than you.
According to the ACLU, prisoners at the Louisiana State Pen (Angola) pick cotton and sugarcane for $0.02/hr. Many must work for up to 3 years without pay to be eligible for this wage.
Those who “choose” not to work are placed in solitary confinement, a practice that is considered torture in most first world nations.
You can read the full report here Captive Labor: Exploitation of Incarcerated Workers
Ok. Louisiana has one of the worst prison systems in America. The judicial system is irrationally racist against black men.
Congratulations on pinpointing one of the horrendous social issues that we have in America.
What country are you from?
Dumbass, your country uses prisoners for slaves even in California. It’s not some niche occurance. Your defense of it is disgusting.
Hold on. I’m not defending anything. I am outright stating that we are doing this.
Our prison system is atrocious. It’s third world. It’s absolutely terrible.
What country are you from?
Yeah, because it uses slavery lol. We aren’t talking about my country, we’re talking about America, which is currently aiding a genocide in the middle east, and starting multiple wars this year alone, all while using slavery for manual labor.
We don’t use slavery for manual labor. That’s an extreme exaggeration of what’s happening in a small number of prisons in a handful of states.
If you’d like to discuss wage inequality or the wealth gap, I’m happy to do that, but it’s a different conversation than the one we’re having here.
So why aren’t we talking about your country?
I think I understand why you won’t answer. There are only two possibilities: either you’re from America, in which case you’re applying a double standard, or you’re from another country with its own serious problems, in which case you’re hardly in a position to lecture anyone.
There isn’t a single country on Earth, past or present, that hasn’t committed moral wrongs or isn’t currently grappling with serious moral failings. That doesn’t excuse them, but it does mean criticism should be applied consistently rather than selectively.
The “horrendous social issue” at hand is forcing people to work without pay. Another word for this is “slavery”. I’m sure you’ve caught on by now that the 13th amendment has a loophole for enslaving convicts.
Not sure how it’s relevant, but I live in the US.
I am aware of all of this, and I’ve consistently acknowledged it throughout this entire exchange. I’m not deceiving myself into believing I live in some kind of utopia. I don’t. America has very serious problems.
I asked what country they’re from because it’s relevant to the discussion. There is not a single country on Earth that is free of blemishes, whether in its history or in its present.
Calling America a bad country while living in a country with its own serious flaws is an act of hypocrisy.
We’re all just people living on the same planet, each under whatever political system we happened to be born into.
If you live in America, then you know how good many aspects of life are here. It’s not the best country on Earth, and we absolutely have severe problems that need to be addressed. But it’s still a good place to live, with good people and a culture that has produced an enormous amount of good for the world. Our leadership is often disappointing, and the rise of nationalism is genuinely concerning. Those are problems worth opposing in every lawful way we can.
What I’m not willing to do is join in treating America as though it’s uniquely evil while ignoring the faults of every other nation. I love the United States. I’m a patriot. I love the people who live here, and I have no desire to leave for another country.
Wait, so now you have “consistently acknowledged” that the US has legalized slavery enshrined in the Constitution? This is very confusing, as we can all scroll up and see your earlier comments.
A real patriot acknowledges their country’s faults, no matter how difficult this may be. A real patriot does not stick their head in the sand and make excuses about “the faults of every other nation”. I get the strong impression that you are not a real patriot.
Feel free to check my comment history at any point. I’ve admonished America on many levels. We have very serious problems, and I even acknowledged that in the comment above.
I’ll tell you what I tell everybody else: antebellum chattel slavery in the United States is not the same thing as requiring labor from a convicted felon. Even then, incarcerated felons retain a multitude of constitutional rights.
You have no reason to believe what I’m about to tell you because I have no way to prove it. But I’ve done time in the U.S. prison system, so I’m uniquely familiar with that environment. As flawed as our court system is, and as dysfunctional as some of our prisons are, I can tell you that I and the people I served time with deserved to be there.
Does our prison system need reform? Absolutely. Probably more than almost any other institution in the United States right now.
I also stand up for my country when I see people making unsubstantiated blanket statements about things they know nothing about. Many of them probably learned about America’s problems through their own state-run or heavily biased media.
The rest of the world often dislikes America, and sometimes for legitimate reasons. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to sit quietly while some bloke on Lemmy badmouths the country I love.
I get the strong impression that they’re fucking stupid.
America is one of the worst empires to ever exist lmao, you’re not better than anyone at all.
Slavery and human trafficking aren’t crimes at all in America. The president is a pedophile rapist human trafficker, and you use prisoners as slaves in almost every state!! You know nothing of your own country, or your willfully evil to defend it!
Right.
I’ve done absolutely nothing to defend my country. In fact, I’ve been criticizing it quite heavily.
I’ll correct you once again: slavery, pedophilia, and human trafficking are all extremely illegal in this country, and they are punished severely.
The fact that the people associated with the Epstein files, including our own president have not been arrested, held accountable, and punished is a black stain on our history that we may never fully recover from.
So, what country are you from?
No. They simply aren’t. You’re wrong. Thanks for the comment.
Again, we aren’t talking about my country. You seem eager to know, because you want to point your finger at anything that distracts from the vileness of your country. Sorry, not taking the bait. Death to America.
There we have it. Thank you. That’s close enough.
The reason we’re not discussing your country is because you know it’s worse than ours.
You think America is such a terrible country that we enslave our own people, commit all these horrible acts, and somehow deserve the death of an entire population. So what exactly makes you better than an American?
I’d say you’re significantly worse than the average American by any reasonable standard.
You’re just an immoral elitist who thinks he’s better than America because he parrots state media from his own country.
You can hate America as much as you want, but the reality is that the United States remains one of the most powerful countries on Earth. If your argument ultimately boils down to wishing death on millions of people while claiming moral superiority, you’ve already lost the moral argument.
Death to America does not mean death to Americans. Your country has caused more death and destruction than any country I can think of. It deserves to be sanctioned out of existence and balkanized.
I’m not even going to bother reading the rest of your long ass cry baby comment. I’m done with this stupid back and forth babble. Bye bye
Right. “Death to America” doesn’t mean its people. Sure. Whatever you say, asshole.
The moment someone challenges your worldview, you run away. As soon as somebody questions the narrative you’re comfortable repeating in your echo chamber, you tuck your tail and leave.
That’s the difference. People can challenge ideas here, even harshly. That’s why America is better than what you’re demonstrating.