I’d watch US shows where sometimes people would get fired on the spot in in a dramatic way and thought it was just artistic license until I realized Americans literally have no protections and can be fired at will for no reason at all. It is horrifying. What’s even worse is that people celebrate this as a “fluid labor market” , as if placing people under chronic insecurity is a virtue.
I have coworkers from other countries who came to America and asked me if the contract they signed was true - that they can be fired at will.
It’s incredibly embarrassing.
27 countries? Which ones?
It’s kinda why these types of posts should probably be discouraged. Posts like these should have sources.
To be fair they did say they had the lowest literacy rates
My country has all of that (healthcare/education are basically free). Workers rights are protected and stuff but taxes here are really high compared to the U.S.
Good question! The report is here but there’s no such list that I could find.
https://static.heritage.org/index/pdf/2026/2026_indexofeconomicfreedom.pdf
I wouldn’t call the US developed. There is development, with the sky scrapers, mega companies and billionaires, but there are also palaces built in South Africa, North Korea and Turkmenistan. North Korea and Turkmenistan have better infrastructure than the US. But I wouldn’t call insane poverty rates, insane inequality, autocracy, oligarchy, insane incarceration rates, corrupt government and legal system, institutionalized racism and still legal slavery any form of modern development.
Developed
Not civilised
I can’t fathom how anyone is against free healthcare. CHILDREN have to go without healthcare FFS CHILDREN. How can anyone justify that?
I don’t have kids so why should I pay for their healthcare
That’s how they justify it. They’re fucking ghouls
The problem is there’s a false scarcity. Healthcare is expensive for people in the US right now, so the idea of paying for someone else’s healthcare via universal healthcare doesn’t sound like a good thing, it sounds like taking the money you need for your healthcare to pay for someone else’s.
It’s NOT like that, but people have it in their heads that it is. And it’s very hard to change a made up mind when there are people rallying against it to protect their own private interests.
That’s no reason to not have universal healthcare.
Sure, some people think as you describe, but they are the minority. We’re supposed to be a representative democracy.
- 90% of Democrats want universal healthcare. (30% of voters)
- 70% of Independents want universal healthcare. (40% of voters)
- Even 40% of Republicans want universal healthcare. (30% of voters)
(many polls, pick your favorite)
bOtH pArTiEs think otherwise, unfortunately
Oh no I totally agree with you. Not saying it justifies it or even that the math makes sense, but it feels that a lot of times when you have people who dissent against universal healthcare the reason I stated is why.
They believe rights are a pie. And if someone else gets a piece of that pie, they will somehow end up with less pie.
Even within free market logic free healthcare just makes sense. It enables people to more comfortably quit their job to start a business or take any better job. It also allows people more freedom to choose medical professionals based on their merits rather than on who their insurer says they can use.
It’s also cheaper for everyone, and results in much better outcomes on average. It’s truly win/win/win.
The only losers would be the insurance companies that would no longer exist. And fuck them.
The stupid thing is that even this isn’t necessarily the case. Even in countries that have public healthcare, there are still private options for those who want “fancier” care. The true statement is that they would only be able to rip off the wealthy, instead of everyone in the country.
Even within free market logic free healthcare just makes sense.
It doesn’t make sense because it doesn’t maximize the short term profits of a health care business.
It enables people to more comfortably quit their job
No American capitalist wants this.
You can be hired. You can be fired. You can’t go around quitting without your boss’s permission.
That’s long term thinking you fool. How does that help my next quarter!? Think of my bonus!
They dont care 🤷
“protect the children” mfs when children
I can’t fathom how anyone is against free healthcare
“We CaN’T aFfOrD iT! wE wIlL rUn OuT oF mOnEy!”
Every fucking time it’s suggested. Every fucking time, you get some clown screaming about how it costs too much and it will bankrupt the country and how health care will go away if you try to federalize it.
And under this government? Maybe they’re right. Maybe American business leadership would just rip the wires out of the walls anyways. Look at what UK politicians have done to the NHS, ffs.
It’s very possible that Americans don’t have access to health care because we are simply too greedy and cruel and stupid as a population to value it above carpet bombing the Global South.
Funny how there’s always money to bomb schools, on the other hand…
And to give to Elon Musk for him to lose. He went down from 1.45 trillion to 970 billion. Like what? Half a trillion dollars lost?
I don’t even use numbers like that in a fucking video game…
Children can’t work. So they shouldn’t get any benefits actually.
Because to them, the fight against the Others is so profoundly tied to their core identity that they would choose a rapacious trillionaire or low rent pedophile mob boss to lead them despite OVERWHELMING evidence either would gladly see them dead for a nickel.
Anyone not of their inner circle (church, Trump worship, family of they accede to the previous conditions) are the enemy. And they don’t deserve even basic human rights. Unless they’re a zygote/fetus, in which case they get a pass until birth.
The issue really seems to be old people. And where I live it’s a whole lot easier for old people to vote.
No, there are approximately 190 fully capitalist countries, stop whitewashing capitalism. Capitalist countries also include: Afghanistan, Burundi, South Sudan, DRC and India. Stop with this evolutionist nonsense.
Yeah because capitalism is just how things develop without excessive government intervention to prevent it. It’s a lie to say capitalism is a choice. I guess technically you could say it’s a choice between buying food from a farmer or starving to death, but really that’s not much of a choice. The two biggest famines in history were cause by socialist countries taking direct control of the agriculture industry.
Hungary also did that under Orbán, but we were told once we will have enough “national billionaires”, the money will start to trickle down. When the billionaires arrived and we asked when the money will finally trickle down, we were told money is not everything, and we’re acting like “spoiled children”.
Lol. Who’s the shithole country now?
It’s not socialism
Bro, it’s socialism.
Some of it is national socialism, so maybe don’t get too enthusiastic about how the Brits segregate out their health care services or the Germans treat unemployed immigrants or the French handle non-native speakers trying to form a union. But all of this has socialist economic organizing at its foundation.
It’s not actually though. you’re confusing nordic welfare states for socialism, there are even variants of socialism like market socialism with none of these.
Socialism is strictly about worker owned means of production.
you’re confusing nordic welfare states for socialism
Nordic states reorganized themselves from feudal agrarian military economies into industrial social welfare economies over the course of the late 19th and 20th centuries. Their party politics and bureaucratic reorganization was explicitly informed by socialist theories and economic models devised during that time.
Socialism is strictly about worker owned means of production.
Strong unions, state owned industries, and Democratic governance gives working Scandenavians direct say over and profit from their local economies
It being inspired by socialism doesn’t change the fact that the workers don’t own the means of production there and it is therefore not socialism. Them having more say because they have unions is not the same.
workers don’t own the means of production
Workers control the means of production through the democratic state
they don’t though, they regulate it and apply some pressure, but these are still privately held, socialism is always in contrast to private ownership.
socialism is always in contrast to private ownership
The Nordic Model is public ownership of high value industry (most notably, the O&G industry). They also have universal healthcare and free education, which come as a byproduct of state owned and operated medical centers and schools. And strong union membership puts a public leash on private enterprises at the level of direct worker action.
“The government controls around 35% of the total value of publicly listed companies on the Oslo stock exchange, with five of its largest seven listed firms partially owned by the state.[34]” good, but not socialism. Free healthcare and schools are not related to socialism.
Honestly FOX News might be the organization, which helped the term “socialism” the most in the US. When you call every good policy “socialist” then people wanting that will call themself that.
It’s the abuse of the system, the tax hikes, the standard of care given vs the biased care we can exploit now and the amount of productivity lost is badfor the US. Why? Idfk, that’s just what they tell us.
and the amount of productivity lost is bad for the US. Why? Idfk, that’s just what they tell us.
The US would not loose productivity at all. For any health care system it is cheaper to prevent somebody from getting sick, then to pay for the treatment. So countries with such systems have good reason to have strong environmental and food regulation for example. Hence people are less sick and can therefore work.
The US has pretty decent/good air quality compared to a lot of countries both developed and under developed. At least we don’t have to deal with what India, China or Brazil have to deal with when it comes to air quality. I mean it’s not the greatest there’s still people who live with air purifiers because of pollutants, toxins and generalized pollen but you can leave your house in every single state at any given time without choking or needing PPE.
Food could be better. Food here could be a lot better but you know what it is. It’s the sickening supply and demand. Think about it we get year round produce because we ship it in. There’s an Asian market that’s near me and a (half dead) stop and shop 2 blocks from it. The Asian market has in-season only produce and has an on site butcher. A lot of other countries I hear do the same as the Asian market and I still have no idea if it’s true but we have hydroponically grown food in the off-season.
The only areas in the US that actually rely on local produce are areas that have produce that they’re known for. Like Georgia Peaches, Maine Blueberries and Massachusetts/New York Mcintosh Apples and then those areas are all tourist and rely on tourism. The FDA Doesn’t give a fuck about our meat as much as we’d like to think, I mean our chicken wings can still have feathers and there’s known low quality butchers. Our beef supply is being cut like there’s no one even inspecting the fat vs lean meat ratio and everything that’s lean has a lower shelf life because its more, “fresh,” (after it’s been treated) and the odds of a grass-fed cut of meat smelling like fish is higher than a non grass-fed cut of meat which are usually starting to gray and those are unless you go to a good quality butcher BUT THEN you face a sourcing issue which they’re all known to get their meat from Costco or BJ’s.
Pork is absolute trash in this country, I’ve been trying to stay away from pork.
I suppose for now with the cost of living being the way it is and the amount of debt that no one can figure out who the US is in debt to, we’re not gonna see that happen for a while.
Nah, been going on probably before the banana republics. Soon as the people of the banana republic fought back, the American capitalist would cry socialism, then the American army would come and squash the uprising. Hey Mrs. tally man tally me banana.
Glad to see some political commentators catching on to this too.
USA! USA!! 💥
Greatest country in the world apparently.
I live in a third world country, and I get asked now and then if I’d ever move to the USA, and my answer is always
“No, if I’m going to move to a country it must be better than the one I am currently living in”
It’s the bully who constantly has to tell everyone how great they are and acts like an asshole tworads everyone while they’re actually very mentally broken, scared, dumb etc.
This show is feeling relevant every single day now.
For billionaires, it seems.
And they say that American exceptionalism is a myth
Hang on. They said, “except Us,” so you’re supposed to drop that letter. The chant is now “SA! SA!!” 🇿🇦
Number one!
But I think the only and actual problem is education. The rest are just consequence. It’s not for nothing than when the rest of the world thinks about an american, they see a fat dumbass bigot idiot. I know a lot of people are not like that, but it does not matter. As a country, this is how everybody sees you.
And for once, fix the root cause of the problem, not the symptoms.
I’d argue even with education, your defacto two party system still prevents true change/progress. Not sure if better education would be enough to change this.
The two party system worked for a long time because both sides were committed to the idea that a functional government was a good thing.
A multiple party system didn’t save Germany from Fascists. When enough citizens decide their fellow citizens are the problem decent government becomes impossible.
I wouldn’t say it worked. It was barely good enough while being quiet bad. Switzerland took usa’s system and made it better, so much better. Anno 1848
well, at least people will be able to conceptualize this is a completely stupid system.
Right now they have the sport-fan mentality. Us vs Them, Me vs You, Good vs Bad. Baby view of the world.
(and it’s not my de-facto :) )
a UNIPARTY, the gop and dinos are a coalition. not even a true 2 party system. DInos are allowed to throw people a bone once in a while so they dont form an uprising or take over the party
Moron. Go educate yourself. You’re responsible for all the unnecessary evil and thousands of murders trump has brought upon this world.
I think the education is a symptom of a deeper problem still, and that is corporate entities owning significant parts of the governing process, through lobbying, campaign financing and a rotating door of government positions and coproate advisers.
They want an uneducated population, because that is how they get a greater and greater share of the say in what the government does each election cycle. Getting Citizens United through was one of the worst they accomplished in recent years, but it won’t end there.
Step 1: Reform the Supreme Court (term limits, mandatory retirement age of 65, etc). Step 1.5: Abolish Citizens United.
America has always been behind the rest of the world. They still do slavery for fuck sake.
So does Europe. Modern slavery just doesn’t use chains.
all cool for down with murcia but please tell me where actually is. Yeah we have underpaid workers but slavery?
You should be embarrassed for not knowing about the 13th amendment.
you should be ashamed not knowing present vs past tense
Oh yeah they get rid of the part about using prisoners as slaves when I wasn’t looking? Lol
I think prison reform is a seperate topic from slavery, but you do give up your rights in prison, which would include the 13th amendment. Many countries have much more terrible prison conditions.
Either way in the 1800s slaves didn’t have as much of a choice to be a slave, today prisoners mostly had a choice before committing a crime (though I acknowledge not every person in jail deserves or should be there). I just think that should be awknowledge before saying America still has “slaves”. At the end of the day the law is what allows us to have the society we have today (for better or worse).
Lmfao. You’re disgusting. No, not very many countries have worse prisons than America, At least not other comparable western nations.
How is that disgusting? Admitting that you lose rights in prison? You’re literally just trolling for a reaction. I can think of a handful of EU countries with much smaller populations that have it better. Comparing black slaves from the 1800s to modern day prisoners is what’s disgusting
Ha, you think the rest of the world doesn’t profit off slavery…
Who said that? There a ghost in here? Which countries have it baked into their constitutions? 13th amendment.
Are you kidding me?
Brazil - slavery was abolished by ordinary law in 1888 (“Lei Áurea”), predating the current 1988 constitution, which then enshrined the prohibition directly in its text.
Mauritania - abolished slavery by decree in 1981, then criminalized it more explicitly through legislation in 2007, though this was statutory rather than a constitutional amendment.
India (1950) – Article 23 prohibits trafficking in human beings and forced labor, including slavery-like practices. South Africa (1996) – Section 13 of the Bill of Rights bans slavery, servitude, and forced labor.
Germany – Article 1 combined with statutory law prohibits slavery under the broader human dignity clause.
Ghana (1992) – explicitly prohibits slavery in its Bill of Rights.
Ethiopia (1995) – its constitution includes a slavery prohibition.
Many Latin American constitutions (Colombia, Peru, Venezuela, etc.) contain explicit anti-slavery clauses, often tracing back to 19th-century independence-era abolition.
People acting like America is the only country that had slaves. Here’s another list for your edification!
Portugal - among the earliest and largest traders, especially to Brazil
Britain - dominant by the 18th century, especially via Liverpool and Bristol
France - significant role, especially to the Caribbean (Saint-Domingue/Haiti)
Spain - mainly through licensing other nations (asiento system) to supply its colonies
Netherlands - major early trader, especially via the Dutch West India Company
Denmark - smaller but notable participant.
And what country has the most stringent laws concerning slavery and human trafficking that would be America. We hate human traffickers more than we hate pedophiles around here.
Are you fucking joking lmao. Those are all countries which have banned slavery.
America has never banned slavery. In fact, they baked it into the constitution.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States
Fucking disgusting country that still uses hundreds of thousands of slaves to this day!!
I’ve already addressed the constitutional aspect of slavery in the United States.
There is no form of slavery in the U.S. that is supported by either the government or the general public.
Slavery and human trafficking are among the most serious crimes you can commit in America and are prosecuted aggressively with severe penalties.
We do not have legal slavery. What we do have is significant wealth and wage inequality, which is an entirely different discussion worth having, just not here.
At this point, it feels like you just want to take cheap shots at America. That’s your prerogative. We allow that sort of criticism here. Criticize the country all you want.
We’re still better than you.
According to the ACLU, prisoners at the Louisiana State Pen (Angola) pick cotton and sugarcane for $0.02/hr. Many must work for up to 3 years without pay to be eligible for this wage.
Those who “choose” not to work are placed in solitary confinement, a practice that is considered torture in most first world nations.
You can read the full report here Captive Labor: Exploitation of Incarcerated Workers
Ok. Louisiana has one of the worst prison systems in America. The judicial system is irrationally racist against black men.
Congratulations on pinpointing one of the horrendous social issues that we have in America.
What country are you from?
America is one of the worst empires to ever exist lmao, you’re not better than anyone at all.
Slavery and human trafficking aren’t crimes at all in America. The president is a pedophile rapist human trafficker, and you use prisoners as slaves in almost every state!! You know nothing of your own country, or your willfully evil to defend it!
Right.
I’ve done absolutely nothing to defend my country. In fact, I’ve been criticizing it quite heavily.
I’ll correct you once again: slavery, pedophilia, and human trafficking are all extremely illegal in this country, and they are punished severely.
The fact that the people associated with the Epstein files, including our own president have not been arrested, held accountable, and punished is a black stain on our history that we may never fully recover from.
So, what country are you from?
The corrupt gop fuckers will recreate the commie folk devil that worked during the cold war, they will claim communism will end America they will turn voting for social democracy into national crisis
They are always lying
I’m hoping Mamdani can help shift people’s perspectives here.
Obama made Healthcare companies more money than any President before him. He could have given us a public option but the big Democrat donors said no.
Americans also fall for it every time so that says a lot about the citizens
Americans, by and large, are, unfortunately, some of the dumbest humans to ever exist on this planet.
So you say, that the US has the purest capitalism while everyone else has diluted it with some soviet communism?
America is full of uneducated monsters who are too dumb to have a functional democracy
It’s more that they’re diseducated IMO. To me, throwing vitriol at people because a decades-long campaign from the most powerful people on earth succeeded feels so similar to blaming the enslaved for not freeing themselves.
It’s really frustrating and it blows to see so many people harming themselves out of hate, fear, and illiteracy, but how are they to know better? All they see elsewhere is hate against them for something they’ve been trained to identify with; no human responds to that.
I’m not trying to come off as offensive to insulting. I think the above is worth considering and might be productive :)
ETA: I want to respond to a lot of these replies but I’m at work so it’ll be a bit. Lots of good conversation to be had :)
To me, throwing vitriol at people because a decades-long campaign from the most powerful people on earth succeeded feels so similar to blaming the enslaved for not freeing themselves.
It becomes more complicated when the campaign was created by propagandists from the 1940s and simply echoed through time by increasingly credulous buffons with more and more money.
At the same time, the “enslaved” keep signing up to join the military and the police, so that they can leverage their position to get access to the things they are trying to deprive everyone else of.
So it’s a cycle of self-imposed violence and poverty. And it is one that people accept reflexively because it hurts other people who are lower than them on the social order.
Not simply an issue of ignorance but of cruelty.
At the same time, the “enslaved” keep signing up to join the military and the police, so that they can leverage their position to get access to the things they are trying to deprive everyone else of.
At least in my hometown, people are trained from birth that joining the military is a high honor and one of the bravest and least-selfish things one can do. There’s a reason the military aims more recruiting effort towards teenagers than any other demographic, with 40% of the entire military (not just of new recruits) being under 25: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK547615/figure/fig_3_2/?report=objectonly
So it’s a cycle of self-imposed violence and poverty. And it is one that people accept reflexively because it hurts other people who are lower than them on the social order.
Partly, yes. Keep in mind my original comment was in response to another, not a holistic self-standing claim. My opening sentence was a comparative, not a declaration of absolute fact.
Also to be clear, my use of enslaved was in reference to slavery in the USA, not the military which is an entirely volunteer (yes, the word volunteer is a heavy lift) force.
a decades-long campaign from the most powerful people on earth succeeded feels so similar to blaming the enslaved for not freeing themselves.
Yeah, but those people all received a public education (like I did) and have access to all humanity’s knowledge at their fingertips. And they’re still profoundly stupid. That’s not a good look.
but how are they to know better?
Self education? I know a whole lot more than I did when I stopped having a formal education. I don’t think it’s right to just assume that people are sheep by default and have to have good educators to be reasonably intelligent. Especially in this day and age. It removes the expectation of personal responsibility that we should have for every adult.
I agree with you mostly but don’t agree in calling people “diseducated”, I think it removes too much personal agency. Undermining education and replacing it with religious devotion is most definitely a goal of fascist wealthy class but we aren’t there yet.
Public education doesn’t make someone mentally incompetent, so no need to infantilize them. This “hate, fear, and illiteracy” are all choices they’ve made to identify with.
No one is born MAGA, they choose it for themselves. Their lack of self-discipline and unable to delay gratification and propensity to choose the path of least resistance may be preyed upon by the system but they always have a choice.
Its very similar to the food system in this country, it’s all engineered to feel good and make you addicted and overconsume. You still have the choice to eat less and exercise more but it’s hard. Some people are also predisposed to falling into it, so I do think you make a good point even if I don’t fully agree
I’m American and I know better. What’s their excuse? Right and wrong are pretty universal. It shouldn’t take years of proper education to know not to hate someone for being born a certain way.
If you ‘know better’ then what’s stopping you from recognizing that not everyone is cut from the same cloth?
A black person raised to believe in the Nation of Islam might be more militant in their suppor of black rights — does that make what they believe right? No, the NoI is a cult that believes white people were born in a lab 7000 years ago (amongst other crazy bullshit). MAGA is also a cult. You should read up on what defines cults and what kind of people are susceptible to them.
I’m not exactly making excuses for them, I hate MAGA. Nuance here, however, is very important.
You nailed it; recognizing nuance is a critical skill
This feels very much like the booststraps the owner class expects you to clime the social ladder with.
It shouldn’t take years of proper education to know not to hate someone for being born a certain way.
No one said anything else. My claim was that there exists a well established, well funded, and effective institution that diseducates this into people that wouldn’t otherwise have it.
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