It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it’s users will not be allowed to proceed.

We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.

  • justdoit@lemm.ee
    13·
    2 years ago

    Every time I see a picture of him I think it has to be edited or something. He’s like a walking Snapchat filter.

  • Mikina@programming.dev
    8·
    2 years ago

    I would like to also add this argument into the discussion, since I’ve seen a lot of people who are voting for federating with meta, with the argument that defederating just because we don’t like someone goes against the idea of Fediverse, and interconnected network of diverse servers that is should inclusive and allows people to connect.

    It’s quite the contrary - allowing Meta in goes directly against the idea of Fediverse, and we should fight it as much as possible.

    This is a literal quote from the main header on https://www.fediverse.to/

    The fediverse is a collection of community-owned, ad-free, decentralised, and privacy-centric social networks.

    Each fediverse instance is managed by a human admin. You can find fediverse instances dedicated to art, music, technology, culture, or politics.

    Join the growing community and experience the web as it was meant to be.

    Judging by this main selling point of the Fediverse, it sounds to me like Meta shouldn’t be in the Fediverse do begin with, and every instance should defederate from them by default.

    • Beliriel@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      Centralisation will always set in due to sheer complacency. I mean it has already happened. The main player in the reddit-like fediverse is lemmy.world
      No other instance comes close to the size of lemmy.world
      I also disagree with Metas method of tracking and monetising every last bit of data (I’m trying to get rid of their platforms myself) but to expect the fediverse to be a balanced mixture of access points is just daydreaming.

      • Mikina@programming.dev
        1·
        2 years ago

        I don’t expect it to be balanced. I also don’t mind that a lot of users are centralized at lemmy.world - because we know the admins, and there isn’t a largescale corporation behind them that would be capable of monetizing and manipulating their userbase. The only kind of balance I want is that there isn’t an instance with multi-billion funding and teams of engineers dedicated to squeezing their userbase and monetizing every character they type. Sure, it will inevitably happen that someone from an instance would try something like this, but that’s an acceptable risk with community-run stuff and may or may not happen - and it probably won’t be as succesfull or large-scale. However, if you let in someone you are certain will do something like that, and has unimaginable amount of resources and manpower to do it, then they will just squeeze it dry while not shying away from exploiting every single privacy mistake there is in the protocol or our implementation.

    • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
      9·
      2 years ago

      o7. We’re out here for yall, and we’re gonna make sure the fediverse stays inoculated from threats.

        • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
          3·
          2 years ago

          It’s very strange to me that a lot of the pro-facebook views below seem to start with the base assumption that facebook is out to help the fediverse, and have no malicious motives behind all this. Its like inviting a con-man into your home because they super-promised they’ll make you rich.

          Really surprising that some people can’t see through Facebooks opportunism, and are suddenly willing to trust these con-artists.

            • CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
              4·
              2 years ago

              The lack of critical thought has done a number on society.

              Likewise, society (disproportionately affected by the booj and those who serve them) reinforces this lack of critical thought. Someone in the genzedong Matrix server is in the process of translating one of Ho Chi Minh’s works into English and shared this relevant passage:

              The capitalists and imperialists use culture and religion to make the people dumb, use laws to bind the people, use power to scare the people, and use wealth to make the people selfish. They make the people frightened to the bone whenever they hear of the word Revolution. So, Revolution must first start with waking the people up.

          • gogozero@lemmy.sdf.org
            01·
            2 years ago

            i doubt they have any malicious intent because the fediverse is nothing to them. they’ll use and improve activitypub, which is great, but eventually corporate strategy/shareholders will take them in a different direction and they’ll fork. damage will de done to the fediverse regardless, but there is no malicious intent involved.

            lets not federate and take their contributions to source, best of both worlds.

  • CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    5·
    2 years ago

    …the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta.

    When the typo is more accurate than what was intended to be written.

    • PorkrollPosadist@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      2 years ago

      Channeling Stallman and referring to the Windows 32 bit Application Programming Interface as lose32 instead of win32.

  • moonmeow@lemmy.ml
    3·
    2 years ago

    Awesome. This is great news. I just joined this instance and happy to see this position.

      • Albinoss@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 years ago

        Same. I just wish there was an easy way to transfer. I just found the communities I wanted and I don’t look forward to making a new profile and adding them all again.

        • Luxsidus@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          I already have an account ready to switch. It’s still early days so it should be relatively painless if it means sticking with the Lemmy instance that knows capital will only expand and ruin things in the pursuit of profit.

      • JeffCraig@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 years ago

        I posed this question to the admins a while back. How does the community officially suggest instances to defederate. How do we vote on those choices? Where is the process?

        This was during the lemmy.online thing, where that instance (which no longer exists) created a bot to basic just crawl reddit and duplicate posts to their instance. I immediately told the instance admin that they should stop and I asked the admins where the process was to submit a de-federation request.

        All I got was a bunch of BS from users about how de-federation should be something we don’t take lightly, blah blah blah, but all I was asking was where the process is. How are we even partaking in a system that’s so ripe for admin abuse?

        The lemmy.world admins aren’t malicious… they’re just in over their heads. They’ve struggled with the technical side of running the service and they haven’t built out some of the social tools that an instance this side needs. Hopefully they mature quickly.

      • nostalgicgamerz@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 years ago

        I’m thinking the same thing…they’re trying to avoid blowback by breaking the fedipact by just….saying nothing.

        I swear I’ll fucking leave if they don’t dederate with Meta

      • Marxine@lemmy.ml
        1·
        2 years ago

        I am on lemmy.world, but the inaction of the admins there made me create an account here on .ml as soon as I saw one of the admins being basically as “naive” as Mastodon’s Rochko.

          • Marxine@lemmy.ml
            1·
            2 years ago

            They’re open as it seems (since I got to register today), but the sign-up process requires you to answer a few basic questions to verify you’re not a bot or spam account.

  • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world
    3·
    2 years ago

    Prophylactic intervention is the best defense against Metastasis.

    Well done Lemmy.ml - hopefully the rest of the fediverse follows your example. This is, no exaggeration, an existential threat to the fed.

    • henfredemars@infosec.pub
      1·
      2 years ago

      The fediverse taking off is an existential threat to Meta. I have no doubt that they will take any actions they consider necessary to maintain control over most users.

  • Sneezy McGlassface@lemm.eeEnglish
    3·
    2 years ago

    People left reddit because of corporate f*ckery, and some of them are now making excuses for meta?? What kind of mental gymnastics is this?

    • BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      2 years ago

      A lot of people left Reddit because it was a drowning ship. They didn’t flock to the fediverse because of what it stands for, and they’ll happily bounce over to the next popular corporate run data farm at their earliest convenience.

      • Sneezy McGlassface@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        2 years ago

        I agree with your sentiment, however I don’t think Reddit is a sinking ship. It sucks, me and many other people are angry with them, some of us left but it’s not nearly enough to make them actually sink. Reddit is too recognizable a brand.
        They’re too big to fail.

  • Luxsidus@lemmy.ml
    3·
    2 years ago

    Joined a few Lemmy instances, but the admin team taking actions like these might make lemmy.ml my main place to go. Anything corporate is irredeemable.

  • marito@lemmy.world
    2·
    2 years ago

    Hi guys, I’m new here from Reddit and I’m still learning about Lemmy and the Fediverse. Can someone ELI5 how not blocking Threads can negatively affect this community? Thanks.

    • 𝕭𝖚𝖑𝖚 𝕺𝖓𝖙𝖆@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 years ago

      This is the gist: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

      Basically, big companies can destroy decentralised network from within once big enough people adopt it.

      What they do is

      1. Embrace - adopt the network with their own proprietary system, like Threads for example, as opposed to other system in the fediverse right now that are open source.

      2. Extend - spend resources like money, manpower, and even extensive knowledge on how to expand and make the network a better place with a lot more features while simultaneously promoting and making so that only their proprietary app can access it in the best way.

      3. Exterminate / Extinguish - once they have good amount of users, they can start crippling the other side, like maybe Threads can see posts from Lemmy and Mastodon but not the other way around, people are gonna think that Threads is superior and leaving the original instances. They can also pull back resources like even the people who used to work on developing the network that they used to give so generously before, and such the maintainer now has no way to keep up in developing the network.

      Also known as the EEE tactic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

      • Ignacio [he/him]@sopuli.xyz
        0·
        2 years ago

        Exterminate / Extinguish - once they have good amount of users, they can start crippling the other side

        That’s users’ fault. I don’t want to disrespect anybody, that’s not my intention, but if users are stupid enough to listen to the songs of the Sirens, that’s not Sirens’ fault, but users’ fault.

        You say that defederating is the only way to prevent EEE. But defederating doesn’t prevent people to move to Threads, doesn’t prevent people to listen to the songs of the Sirens. It only prevents people to see the Sirens.

        • CAPSLOCKFTW@lemmy.ml
          1·
          2 years ago

          Is it really? If I start selling you vitamin pills and you suddenly get addicted because the secret ingredient is diacetylmorphine, is it then your fault because you took the pills in good faith that they would be good for you?

          • Ignacio [he/him]@sopuli.xyz
            01·
            2 years ago

            It should be my fault, yes. Instead of going to a pharmacy, I prefer to buy random stuff from a random stranger.

            • CAPSLOCKFTW@lemmy.ml
              1·
              2 years ago

              In this case meta is the pharmacy I would argue and random lemmy instances are random strangers.

    • Bill Stickers@aussie.zone
      1·
      2 years ago

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

      I think the idea is that by being the largest player they could take over and add features that the rest of the fediverse didn’t have. And then the people here (mastodon) would move there to keep following their favourite celeb.

      I don’t think there’s any good argument why you couldn’t keep both for different things. Or why Facebook would even care about the ~200k users on mostodon when they cracked 70M in 24 hours