All the Europeans that keep telling us to “do something” about Trump wanna show us how it’s done?
Greenland is self governing when it comes to internal matters. Unless Trump sends in actual soldiers there’s not much that Denmark can do without violating Greenland’s self governance. Greenland just needs to send the police and stop them.
The funniest thing they can do is just be boring about. Fine the company then seize their equipment if they refuse to pay.
Pretty much every EU member is “self-governing”. And unless I misread and that’s a Greenland-based company this is an international matter.
It’s a Texas company named “Greenland Energy”.
The Guardian article that was the source had better coverage of what’s happening
Greenland is not a separate EU member though. It is part of the kingdom of Denmark, but was given self government by Denmark to make them stick around after the colonisation and not go independent.
It goes even further, Greenland is not an EU member, even though Denmark is a member. Greenland has some association with the EU as a member of the EU’s overseas countries and territories.
Finally. We finally get to hear the “we can’t do anything” reasons from the European liberals that those of us on the left have been critizing internally in America with American liberals. It’s amazing how similar these arguments for inaction are. “Follow the rules while they violate them” is not going to stop American fascism.
It’s funny because the European liberals really loved to grandstand on their superior democracy against America and the failures of American liberalism in the face of fascism. But, really, the European liberals have significantly more in common with American liberals than they’d like to admit. They will roll over and ask for “just one more Injunction” and ultimately do nothing to stop it either.
When a foreign actor is violating the territory of a member of the European Union and your response is essentially “not our problem”. You’re opening the door for the same creeping fascism that the American liberals have allowed.
Focus on what you CAN do. If you are just listing of reasons for why nothing can be done you are no different than the useless American democrat party.
You have to stop this at the first step. And Greenland isn’t the one blocking Europe from doing something. America is doing something illegal. Europe either organizes to stop this “small” expansion now. Or you wait and wait until it becomes too big to ignore and too big to actually do anything against.
Ah yes, let’s instead trample the rights of people living there and be just like Trump and his cronies.
When a foreign actor is violating the territory of a member of the European Union and your response is essentially “not our problem”.
Greenland is not a member of the European Union. They are an autonomous territory belonging to the Kingdom of Denmark. The European Union has no jurisdiction over the island. They initially joined the EU when Denmark joined but then later had a referendum and decided to leave the EU over the fishing regulations the EU has in place. They are still part of the Overseas Country and Territory (OCT) framework and they receive funding and other benefits through that but they are not subject to EU regulations and laws.
And Greenland isn’t the one blocking Europe from doing something.
Greenland has not asked for intervention from Denmark or the EU. Do you just want Denmark to just violate their sovereignty? Because that just sounds like what Trump is doing. If Greenland asks for intervention then Denmark and other EU/NATO members can do it. There are Danish and NATO troops in Greenland right at this moment as part of Operation Arctic Endurance which started as a response to Trump and is still ongoing.
You seem to be misinformed about what is happening in Denmark and the response to Trump’s talk and just want Europeans to also violate Greenland’s autonomy and get on the path to authoritarianism. Once you go down that path there is no going back.
It’s amazing how similar your response is to another response I got. I’m not gonna continue another thread. Go read my comment history if you want a response.
European liberals
You are aware, that “European liberals” are something entirely different compared to what the US perceives as “liberal”? European liberalism is all about “free market”, so of course you won’t hear anything from them. Well, that, and the fact that your media doesn’t seem to report a lot of it…
And Greenland isn’t the one blocking Europe from doing something.
Europe isn’t a country. And Greenland isn’t even an official member of the EU, it’s a territory of Denmark, under Danish jurisdiction. There is no legal framework for other EU countries to say “We’re gonna police the fuck out of that country whether they like it or not” without explicit permission of the country in question. Nobody is going to drop nukes over a permit. The reaction of Denmark and Greenland to this particular incident was simply by stopping the drilling for 2026 and delaying the permit to winter 2027.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/12/trump-greenland-oil
Besides that, there was already a reaction in January, when Denmark sent military personnel to Greenland, and several EU + Nato countries sent some forces over there. Publicly they called it “military exercise”, but it is pretty obvious that they also function as tripwire force. However, nobody is delusional enough to think they could hold that Island when the US decides to invade in the near future.
It appears that American propaganda isn’t just affecting the Maga crowd…
You are aware, that “European liberals” are something entirely different compared to what the US perceives as “liberal”?
Yes, I’m using the word in the same way you are referring to. But you’re referring to the economic part of it. I’m referring to “liberal democracy” and the focus on process over outcome. You can’t understand “liberalism” outside of a class based understanding of its role in bourgeoise democracy.
Europe isn’t a country. And Greenland isn’t even an official member of the EU, it’s a territory of Denmark, under Danish jurisdiction.
Yes, which is why I referred to it as such. Did you miss the part where I referred to it as a territory? I’m not sure what point you’re arguing here. I definitely refer to “Europe and the EU” interchangeably sometimes. That’s my mistake if that wasn’t clear. But when talking about foreign policy that is how these relationships happen.
You are, however, doing exactly what I am critizing. Pointing to “tied hands” in the face of a nation that is violating the sovereignty of a people and their land. THAT is my criticism. It’s literally with the systems of liberal democracy that are useless in fighting the creep of fascism.
You’re pointing to the “rules” that European nations are limited by l that prevent them from working to an outcome in order to preserve their process.
I’m talking of understanding how fascism exploits this. It’s why one may feel “safe” in the systems of liberal democracy. They are still functioning. But I would hope you’re able to realize that those systems are the very things that allow Fascism to creep and take control. It’s why it’s hard to notice “the line” in which liberal democracy becomes “Fascism”. Fascist exploit the very reasons you gave for not taking action. With a false hope that a future act of the system will stop it. (You’re reference to 2027 policy that will stop it)
It won’t. It will at best delay to make you believe the system is working to defend you. It defends the interest of class hierarchy. It doesn’t defend the misconception of democracy that “liberals” believe in.
The reports on land seizure are not inaccurate. They are preparing a normalization. The technicality of “delay” or “process” are the very way that they become reality.
I can’t say it better than this explanation that I constantly keep in mind. It’s worth a listen for 10 minutes even if you disagree with what I’ve said.
When a foreign actor is violating the territory of a member of the European Union
This has not happened. A private company is threatening to drill before it is permitted.
Trump wants this to escalate so the important thing it not to let it.
Nothing to do with liberalism and your confusion of the difference.
(US Liberals are closer to anarchists. EU liberals are closer to Bernie)
What is this us liberals are closest to anarchists bit?
I’d rather recommend you to start looking up what “sovereign nations” means and how the EU actually works. Because you seem to have trouble comprehending the most basic thing that makes the EU work in the first place, which is also the reason why other responses to you seem so similar to you. The EU is not like the US. It is not a full government. We have no “federal police”, no “federal military”, no “national guard” or anything like that.
You basically want us to walk over the sovereignty of another nation, to defend it from a failing empire that is trying to walk over the sovereignty of that nation. A pretty clear contradiction. These things aren’t just “technicalities”. Doing that would break the EU as an entity, because it would destroy the trust between the member nations.
This is also why the initial comment of the other guy with the 2nd amendment thing seems quite ignorant to anyone outside the US. You guys have jurisdiction over the things your own government does.
Could we do more regarding Trump and his cronies? Probably. But with the current design of the EU it requires member countries to agree upon a common approach. However, saying that there was nothing done at all, is clearly wrong too, as i have explained before. Sending military envoys as unofficial tripwire at the request of the affected state isn’t “nothing”. And in the end it’s still your job to rid yourselves from this shit show. Even if it came to war, and the US would somehow be defeated and occupied, it would still be on you to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
What if Greenland asks?
So? Sounds like a bunch of excuses. They’re literally stealing Greenland’s oil and you aren’t going to stop them?
The sovereignty of a country is an excuse? So we should do what Trump is trying to do to stop Trump?
Denmark and other European countries have already troops in place as part of Operation Arctic Endurance. They are taking the threats seriously and have stated that they are prepared to defend Greenland in case of military threat. This is not a military threat, it’s a civilian company and it will be dealt with by local authorities. Which are the people that were elected by the people actually living in Greenland.
So then why the fuck are you all bitching about it?! Non stop bitching from euros just for them to say “it’s not the eu! You’re stupid! We’re just filling the feed with incessant whining over nothing that is actually a problem!” Shut the fuck up why don’t yall?
The only ones bitching here are the Americans that don’t understand how our governments and laws work.
A lot of people are also sick of hearing Americans go on about their freedom and guns and how they could never fall under government tyranny so they are now taking the chance to rub it in. People are the same everywhere you go.
Can’t they just ask Denmark to do it then?
…Will they?
When there’s a criminal matter in US local waters that merits police boats, they’ve generally dealt with the issue by the time the press can report on it.
All the Americans that kept telling us about their glorious 2nd amendment wanna show us how to deal with it?
Like 4 people have tried to shoot Trump at this point.
You think this would stop with Trump being dead?
Those are the ones who vote for Trump tho
I love how you guys intentionally conflate trump gun nuts with democratic voters. Such a weak dig.
I’m really glad to know that a “strong warning” was issued.
[Hitler took the Rhineland which wasn’t his. Putin took Crimea which wasn’t his](Renee Nicole Good and Alex Jeffrey Pretti ) . They were emboldened by the lack of equal force. Dear orange leader allowed his ICE goons to kill Renee Nicole Good and Alex Jeffrey Pretti and there was no push-back so he upped his game. It only stops when there is equal or greater force used.
On the other hand, Trump needs a reason to cancel the mid terms. A war with Greenland and/or the EU would make perfect cover for that. I don’t think there is a winning move here, unfortunately.
He’s not cancelling the fucking mid terms knock that shit off. We had a civil fucking war and never did it. Quit acting like it would be assumed if you do anything against him. You’re giving yourself an excuse to be lazy.
He’s not cancelling the fucking mid terms knock that shit off
He’s going to try. The question is if the citizens are going to continue to roll over when he does.
This is the US at fault, but um, Greenland, what are you guys doing there? Anything? This isn’t wartime invasion, nor economic warfare, but something in between. Trespassing and theft if any regular person was doing it.
This is absolutely an invasion. Just walking in & grabbing what they want because who’s gonna stop them?
Really fucking hope Greenland shows some force, here. Strong warnings & fines are just normal business.
Fun fact: Dr Phil’s fucking TV crew is covering these guys as a reality show.
Fun fact: Dr Phil’s fucking TV crew is covering these guys as a reality show.
*Propaganda.
They are filming propaganda. And if Greenland does what they should and physically seize the equipment and/or physically disabled it and restrict access to the location enforced through arrest Dr. Phil will try and twist that video as pretext for the USA to annex Greenland.
How’s Dr. Phil gonna make a video if he’s in jail and the footage is in the evidence room?
Did you really have to throw up in my mouth like that?
Can’t the local police just arrest them all for trespassing?
Yes, but usually spineless local politicians don’t want to cause an international incident, what is exactly what USA is counting on so they’ll salami slice more and more until there is a big blow-up with violence and things deteriorate from there.
Hopefully Greenland is less spineless.
It’s less about Greenland having a spine and it’s Allie’s in Europe not having a spine. If European nations would stand beside Greenland and offer support and troops America would likely back off. But Greenland should be expected to fight this on their own? I don’t think so.
Europe not making a massive deal over this will allow the creep of American empire to control and occupy Europe more than it already does. This is a massive L for Europe and not just Greenland.
Yes, it’s moving in the direction of Crimea. The “let him have this and it’ll be over” attitude will absolutely backfire as it will just embolden them to take more.
I’d expect yes, but who’s to say local officials haven’t been bribed? Are Greenland officials immune to corruption?
Oh it’s invasion
it’s also very very easy for greenland to let them invest all the money they want there and then just fly a drone up the tailpipe, over and over and over. It takes years to set this up and one night to burn it back down again.
They’re ignoring the toddler trying to escalate a war.
Just ignore me, the giant toddler, that’s stealing everything from your house. You wouldn’t want to escalate. That’s bad for you. So you’ll just let me in and the only payment for me is a few overused insults I can easily ignore because I have no respect for you.
Yes that’s how I imagine it will transfer power. Quickly and without a fight and exactly as planned.
They were already forced to delay their plans. There is no invasion of any sort going on. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/12/trump-greenland-oil
This website does appear to have a certain bias going on, so i would take it with a grain of salt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monthly_Review
Fedopedia is as unbiased as mbfc, which is heavily biased. Grow up.
They literally describe themselves as “socialists” and refer to Marxism on their own main page, while the post here on lemmy was crossposted from a literal communist blog calling itself “Abolish Capital”, which is fanboying for Lenin and recommending a page that unironically calls itself “TankieTube”… In Germany we would call it “Wink mit dem Zaunpfahl”.
I don’t get this part
Nuuk concluded that ordering the containers removed “would not be proportionate,” leaving the government to choose between licensing drilling in an area that may fall under wetlands protection or refusing and risking handing Trump an opening to press his claim harder.
Why would it not be proportionate, given that they lied about having a license?
It’s like Karoline Leavitt saying she quits her job because she ‘wants to spend more time with her family’. Everyone knows it’s a bullshit reason, but it’s just plausible enough to keep anyone from actually calling bullshit. I take it they just don’t want to kick the hornet’s nest.
Just plausible enough for the politicians to not have to do any real work. As usual.
Time to send in the police, confiscate the equipment, and take the workers away for questioning.
Do they not have some police or somebody who could go tell them “No” about that?
Rich people being told “no”
Shut this down, Greenland. Allowing it is making a huge, massive statement that the US can do whatever it wants with your country.
How? 🤔
Arrest people. Seize and impound equipment. Bill them for all of it.
When war pops off yall are going to be so confused on what to do.
Send the police.
This is invasion ffs. Appeasing the mad King will only make him demand more, as has happened with every powerful narcissist in history. Letting him drill only opens the door for him to start mines for rare earth, and he will, of that I can assure you.
I think Greenland should send law enforcement and have them demonstrate as much restraint and accountability as ICE agents do.
The fact the entirety of both EU and Nato (obviously not the US) isn’t sending a small military force is probably the biggest mistake they’ve ever made. They better be prepared, because this will keep escalating, the US will keep ramping up the piracy and invasions. Band together, stop following us down the authoritian hole, unite for all your sakes.
Arctic Sentry is a NATO mission on Greenland that has been ongoing since early this year with quite a few European members sending troups this summer. The response to Trump is small for now, but it’s not like there’s no military response at all.
Europe is, at least mostly, a group of American vassal states. And I live in Airstrip One, I’m not just “hating”. 🙃
‘when your rich they let you do it’
Gee it would be awful if someone blew that shit up
Time for some old-fashioned industrial sabotage in my view.
I was interested in what it means to be “trump-linked” in this case. So I looked at the danish media and basically: Greenlandish company “White Flame Energy A/S” have official licenses and permissions to look for oil. In 2024, White Flame Energy were bought by british 80 Mile PLC, and thereby is in control of the licenses (although from greenland media sermitsiaq.ag they should have has oil research licenses since 2015). The american company “Greenland Energy Company” has entered partnership with 80 Mile, and they are the investors that will fund the project and run the drilling operations. The trump link seems to be Greenland Energy’s chairperson “Larry Swets”, who appears in Trumps circle (According to The Guardian).
So it seems like a capitalistic invasion; pay the bill and get to run the operations, while the brits do PR control with the locals.
Humanity truly is fucked beyond rescue
Great, so Canada is next I guess.
There will be bloodshed if that is the case.
There’s a line from fallout tv show. “Don’t think of them as humans, think of them as Americans.”
Haha right.
You think so?
Sure, buddy. I’m sure you’re better than the last country. I’m sure the rich Canadians are on your side and not the side of the rich.
I’m guessing cuba
Probably start with New Brunswick, Nova Scotia.
