• Carguacountii [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    Fans of that book, or the literati, always say that, and yet its very popular with child abusers. No doubt there are those who read it and were disgusted. Most people however don’t need an elaborate fantasy novel to tell them that kind of thing is very very bad.

    If I’ve misunderstood the message, and others have too (it isn’t generally well liked, except in certain circles, usually called at least ‘controversial’), then we can be sure that anyone writing such material shouldn’t be a teacher, and certainly children shouldn’t be exposed to it - and the way communities work, children at such a teacher’s school would be well aware of any controversial publications they might have made. Personally, I think it is a literary trick (like the ‘poverty porn’ genre) to justify the promotion of dodgy material to a certain class for titilation, so I’d do a lot more than sack such an author.

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      If I’ve misunderstood the message, and others have too (it isn’t generally well liked, except in certain circles, usually called at least ‘controversial’), then we can be sure that anyone writing such material shouldn’t be a teacher, and certainly children shouldn’t be exposed to it

      Um, what? This logic could be applied to critical race theory about as easily as you’ve applied it here to Lolita. Way to prove that you really are a puritan.

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        sure, if critical race theory were child abuse, and if the author were a Russian aristo who fled to the US when the commies won. I suppose any logic can be applied to anything if we ignore what’s actually being discussed.

        It really isn’t puritan to dislike Lolita and I think if you think that connection you’ve made through you’ll see why.

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          So, writing anything that multiple people misunderstand and find offensive, especially if it can be called ‘controversial,’ is an automatic disqualification from teaching, got it. Makes perfect sense, and I’m not at all deeply disappointed to see multiple hexbears upvote this horrifically bad take.

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            Not anything, but certainly something about child abuse, when, and I can’t emphasise this enough, you’re responsible for teaching children is certainly an auto disqualification.

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              So if someone says “child abuse is bad” they should be banned from teaching, because they said something about child abuse, do I have this right?

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                No, I suppose I should have been more exact, I assumed it would be obvious - if somebody who is a teacher, writes a dry, detached, scientific & academic paper about child abuse for the purpose of education and safeguarding, because they’re a qualified expert in a related regulated field, they shouldn’t be barred from teaching.

                If some aristo writes a fantasy about the subject, yes they should be banned from teaching.

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        Well, as you accept, its controversial - ambiguously understood. Maybe those people are idiots, it doesn’t change the issue - there are idiots (or naive or poorly educated people) in this world, they have to be accomodated in terms of whats allowed in the public sphere.

        You absolutely can be held responsible for writing such things, even if you put a disclaimer on it. Some people glorify or identify with monsters, even if they’re presented as such - some people like villains in movies. The ambiguity is an issue easily avoided by banning the book - nothing of value would be lost.