Thanks Dems for doing jack shit about abortion bans, trans bans, the cost of living, the drone strikes, global warming, COVID.
Might as well just call them Blue conservatives. The outcome of voting for them is much the same.
Dirt Owl with one of those doctors’ reflex hammers, meticulously tapping every possible lemmy lib struggle session topic and standing back to watch.
I’m here for it
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You forgot the restoration of child labour.
don’t forget biden’s historic health care expansion (for victims of havana syndrome)
Also found out you aren’t allowed to strike if you work for railroads
Biden was allegedly ‘labor friendly’ president.
Even if he’s a staunch anti-unionist, he’d still be considered “the most pro-union president in history”, because the bar is located fifty floors below the basement of my deep sea research base at the bottom of the marianas trench, and all he has to do is not directly give the order to massacre a group of striking workers on his first day to pass it.
Not really even… I wouldn’t even call Truman the most pro union president or whatever (he might also be the worst president? it is so hard to choose), but he tried to seize the steel industry away from its owners to avoid a strike… because he saw the industry as responsible, not the union… he also vetoed the taft-hartley act and refused to use it to break the strike
The cool and logical thing to do would have been to nationalize the railways, but that probably never even occurred to a single democrat politician
Biden has been demonstrably, measurably worse on covid than Trump. If I had to vote for one of them today, and I was going to do it based solely on “who is going to get less people killed?” I would vote for Trump, and that’s fucking horrifying.
The bar was buried 6 feet underground along with hundreds of thousands of people dead from covid, and Biden still didn’t clear it.
The argument that Biden is worse on covid than Trump has the built-in assumption that Trump would have done more about it in its second year and beyond than Biden did. That’s honestly a ridiculous assumption. There was always an expiration date on covid mitigation measures and it was always soon. It’s not like Trump would have had any more incentive than Biden to demonstrate his pandemic management skills after the election, he would have been out there declaring victory over Covid just the same.
The difference is when Trump said we don’t need masks, or that we don’t need to quarantine as much, or to test less people, everyone who wasn’t one of his freaks was furious. When Biden does the exact same things the liberals go “Yay COVID’s over 🙂” and the Trump freaks continue complaining about the “lockdowns” that hardly existed and ended years ago
They literally just ignored the problem and pretend its not there
If I had to vote for one of them today, and I was going to do it based solely on “who is going to get less people killed?” I would vote for Trump, and that’s fucking horrifying.
I’m not sure this holds up if you speculate on deaths in other countries. Trump still fights a proxy war with Ukraine (probably more of a chance of deeper U.S. involvement) and does all the other background horrors of imperialism. I’m 50/50 on whether he’d pull out of Afghanistan. He’d probably try to start a war with Iran for a third time, and maybe that time it would happen. Could easily go with major force against Niger, too.
I’m 50/50 on whether he’d pull out of Afghanistan
My man what are you talking about, Trump was the one who decided we were pulling out of Afghanistan and set a date, which Biden pushed back. I don’t think Biden would’ve left Afghanistan if Trump hadn’t already agreed to
I remember that, but Trump isn’t exactly someone who will let a little thing like a commitment stand in the way of what he’s feeling in the moment, is he?
I could see him following through, I could see an advisor saying “uh we need six more months” until he loses interest.
I will never vote for a republican (or a democrat), but I think the argument can be made that things were better under Trump because liberals pretended to actually give a damn about various societal problems and did take action to help people (masking for instance). The instant Biden set foot in the White House, they switched to pretending that everything had magically become perfect and that anyone who raised an eyebrow at the mass death surrounding us was literally insane and just helping Trump.
You have to wonder what might have happened if Trump had managed to stay in the White House. With Trump, you get civil war. With Biden, you get WW3.
Ultimately that’s the thing. The difference is when Trump did evil things, people got up in arms about it. When Biden does it everyone happily goes along.
Can you provide some evidence for this claim?
More people died from covid in the same period of time after Biden took office compared to Trump before. Biden lifted the mask requirement on transit. Biden ended the public health emergency. Biden allowed Medicaid to kick people off again, and SNAP and unemployment to reduce payments again. Biden ended free covid testing. Trump said “less tests = less covid”, Biden made it policy. Under Biden, it was decided that employers cannot be held liable for giving their employees covid. Under Biden, the government stopped tracking covid cases in the same way, leading to more spread and worse information.
Biden declared the pandemic is over, when it is not.
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yeah you absolutely can be worse than that, as they pretty clearly explained in their recent comment just above you here
which i personally think you should take a look at instead of just throwing ableist insults around
We don’t do ableism here. Please reconsider your wording.
Depressing how this comes back here every few years like the ongoing history of american politics doesnt spell that out. It’s like people spent 7 years forgetting everything we talked about last time
well, it’s either the guy who’s terrible or the guy who will adopt the terribls guy’s policies in 7 years
no more half measures walter
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I’ll never make that mistake again.
please keep up this bit. it is good.
I mean, they are blue conservatives. American politics are horribly skewed to the right, so your options are between conservative-lites and literally Nazis lol y’all are fucked.
Anyone else is unelectable, according to… my “Shadow, Inc” Iowa Caucus App projections.
based and bourgeois-democracy-is-not-democracy pilled
Death to America
The democrats are as bad as the republicans, they just use different methods
The Democratic Party just represents another faction of the bourgeoisie. They only “support” different social issues to opportunistically appeal to a different voting blocs, but they have little or no intention to truly do anything. The only constituency they serve are just a different group of capitalists. Once you understand this, that all bourgeois politicians don’t represent you at all, US politics and policy decision making becomes crystal clear.
That’s the problem. We don’t have a liberal party and a conservative party anymore. We have a conservative party and a regressive party
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we have von hindenberg and the NSDAP
A liberal party is bad on its face. Better they show exactly what liberalism truly is than mask it better. When the dems where a “liberal” party they did fucking Vietnam
The democrats were always a conservative party, it’s just that the republicans shifted to a mask-off fascist party around 2016.
I’m not keen on defending democrats, but there would absolutely be a federal abortion ban right now if Trump had been re-elected.
Our government is in extremely bad shape, one federal election isn’t going to fix it.
there would absolutely be a federal abortion ban right now if Trump had been re-elected.
There will be a federal abortion ban in another few years, half a dozen Dem Senators will vote for it, and if you suggest they should be recalled or primaried out then you’ll actually be on the side of the Republicans.
Roe v Wade was overturned under the Biden administration, idk if you missed that.
You do understand that this happened because of the supreme court, and not because of Biden, right? And the supreme court was able to do this because of Trump. Could you explain what Biden should have done to protect abortion rights on a federal level?
Surely! Here’s a small and incomplete list of things he could do, at varying levels of usefulness and ease:
An executive order legalizing abortion nationwide
Pack the Supreme Court
Move the Supreme Court justices to lower courts and replacing them
Simply ignore the Supreme Court, as several presidents have done in the past (Andrew Jackson being the most notable)
Get his fucking party in order and pass a law legalizing abortion back when he had the majority in both the house and senate
Open abortion clinics on federal land nationwide, claiming new land to do it on if there’s none available in a needed location
Threaten to drone strike Clarence Thomas
Withhold highway funds from states that ban abortion
An executive order declaring banning abortion a felony, and then arresting every politician who implemented a ban
Call for a general strike until abortion rights are re-established
Personally sanction governors of states that ban abortion, freeze their bank accounts, seize their companies, all the shit we do to foreign leaders we don’t like
Call for people in states that ban abortion to burn down their state capitols
Joe Biden is the President of the United States of America, the most powerful empire the world has ever seen. He’s not a powerless smol bean. If he actually wants something to happen, there’s a long list of ways to go about it. If something does or doesn’t happen under his watch, that is his responsibility.
I’ve always been saying that if it were two Republicans that had held up every Trump legislative priority, Trump would have been bullying them every day until they acquiesced, but Biden allowed Manchin and Sinema to do exactly that and acted all powerless.
Isn’t it odd how the Presidency is only weak when it comes to Democrats passing their own platforms?
Oh my god, can you imagine if it was Ted Cruz and Mitt Romney holding things up? Trump would’ve had them killed if McConnell didn’t do it first. But the republicans don’t have that problem because they actually keep their members on the party line where it matters
so do democrats. what you’re seeing is not them failing to keep their party in line. this is their line.
Fair point, I should say the party line democrats claim to have.
Of course. But one also has to question if the Democratic Party line is one of rotating villains. I don’t think it’s conscious, but Democrats probably felt like they do keep their members on the party line because large chunks of their sitting representatives are openly hostile to progressivism, so Manchin isn’t “out of line” to them.
Liberals will huff about him and Sinema, then turn around and excuse their actions because they’re from West Virginia and Arizona, and “can’t” be like “coastal dems” if they want to be re-elected to which I’m just like “then what use are they to you?”
can I have the “maoist biden” flavor?
He can drone strike the Supreme Court. But that will be saved for random children in one of the many countries that the US is occupying 🙄
Biden could literally declare them unlawful enemy combatants and have them shot. He’s the president of the united states of america he can do whatever he wants.
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He could have packed the court. Have you ever watched The Alt-Right Playbook Series? I think it does a good job of explaining some of the reasons why the democrats are mostly useless. It doesn’t get into the problem of both the Ds and Rs being capitalists, but it does explain how Ds wag their fingers and Rs just keep doing wild shit anyway.
Yeah because we should totally trust that the guy who spent 99% of his career opposing reproduction rights just couldn’t do anything to stop the supreme court from overturning Roe
Yeah, seems like Biden just let it happen because even if his position changed publicly for the 2020 election, what he believes behind closed doors never changed
I get the impression no one in the senior dems actually cared about abortion. Pelosi saying it wasn’t important, multiple failures to pass legislation. The unforgivable acceptance of fash scotus’ lies when they said they weren’t going to overthrow roe. They’ve never done anything to protect abortion on the national level, and the simplest explanation is they don’t give a shit.
Oh yeah,
%I still remember
picking an anti choice VP in 2016The Dem strategy on abortion was always to campaign and fundraise and do nothing material.
Its still their strategy, but it was their strategy, too.
Ugh. Tim fucking Kaine. “Vote for me and we’re one heartbeat away from a catholic fanatic taking office!”
Doing an insanely small amount better than the other slave master is not a good thing. “They stabbed me five times, but the other guy would’ve stabbed me seven!”.
Sure, please vote for five-times-stabber instead of ol’ seven-timeser, but by gods neither are worth defending in any sense.
You’re right, Trump’s half-measures on covid were much better than Biden’s no-measures.
Edit: I think I missed a key word in your comment and thought you were genuinely saying voting for the lesser evil is good, my bad
Typing :Hindenburg: really ought to do something here
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