- cross-posted to:
- firefox@fedia.io
- firefox@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- firefox@fedia.io
- firefox@lemmy.world
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Yeah, kind of unfortunate that it didn’t do much at the start and people were asking themselves why it’s there, but from a development perspective, it absolutely makes sense that they wouldn’t implement everything ahead of time, before getting feedback from users…
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If you’ve got qualitative feedback about the implementation, like you wanted to use the Shopping sidebar, but the text was much too small on your device, or maybe you found a vulnerability in their ad network implementation, which allows tracking individual users, then the developers absolutely want that feedback.
If your feedback is “Don’t roll these out!”, you’re still free to give that feedback, but yeah, that’s not useful in the development process.
You’d need to address that to management and ideally include a really good idea for how else to secure the wages of their employees. “Don’t make any money!” and “Please, fully rely on the money from Google!” are not useful as feedback.deleted by creator
You seemed to be going off on a tangent about their strategic decisions, when I was talking simply about the feature development process.
I have no interest in discussing their strategic decisions, because flaming about it in some random internet forum isn’t going to change anything anyways.
If there was a chance that we worked out a more viable strategy, which Mozilla could tangibly realize, that would be different. But presumably, neither of us work in a full-time managerial position at Mozilla, so to assume so, would be absolute madness.deleted by creator
Make a decent tab grouping feature
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Make tabs look like tabs again, and not like huge buttons!
I don’t see anything in the OP’s comment that defends the status quo.
The OP was focused specifically on technical feedback. Telling the devs you don’t like their management process isn’t going to change anything. Telling them you think the implementation is substandard because of technical reasons A, B, and C can help change things, because the dev team can respond to that.
If you want to target their management, make an open letter or something and get people talking about it. If you want to influence development decisions, keep the discussion technical.
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Ephera is the OP you responded to, not the OP of the post.
If your feedback is “Don’t roll these out!”, you’re still free to give that feedback
This is the context I’m referring to. Their response highlights that they’re not interested in talking about management structure, only the specific technical issues with the feature. They’ve been incredibly consistent about that.
You went on a tangent about business direction. They responded they’re not interested in that, and if that’s the way you want to engage, keep the developers out of it because it’s completely unhelpful (i.e. don’t post stuff like that on their bugzilla, which is unfortunately all to common). I don’t think OP is implying that criticizing management decisions isn’t worth doing, there’s just a more helpful way to do that than including it in a technical discussion.
For others who were confused, it’s the icon to the far left of the tab bar.
I’ve used it on my Android phone (open list of tabs, it’s at the top next to the private tab selector), but never realized it was also available on desktop Firefox.
Neat!
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For people who disable history who needs to reopen an closed tab. That is what you’re talking about?
just out of curiosity why did browsers move to the rapid releases of the >120 version numbers instead of the lower numbers?
In the rapid release model there are no updates bigger than the regularly scheduled releases. So each regularly scheduled release needs to bump the biggest version number. Otherwise the biggest number would never change and there would also be fewer ways to distinguish smaller releases.
That’s not necessarily true, they could totally use semantic versioning (but without the requirement for a breaking change) and bump the major version when there’s a big user-facing change. For example, Firefox Quantum would’ve been a great time for a version bump. Or they could do with Year.Release versioning like Ubuntu does.
I think either of those are more useful than the current sequential numbers because they provide some additional information. I like the Major.Minor style so I have an idea of how significant the changes are.
True, but one problem would be that every release would break something as there are just so many changes in each. On this scale SemVer doesn’t work that well. It also doesn’t really tell you anything about the significance of changes (trivial changes can cause major bumps, or huge new features can be fully backwards compatible).
Dates could work. Though Firefox 2024.03 just doesn’t have the same ring to it :p. And they also don’t say anything about significance.
Yes, you’d have to change the definition of a major release from “breaking change” to “big change.” Your normal releases would increment the minor version, security fixes would increment the patch version, and big changes would increment the major. Whether something is “big” is pretty subjective, but they provide an opportunity for marketing.
Or if we want to go with something objective and simple, the major release would correspond to an ESR release, which happens about once/year.
The purpose here is to make the numbers mean something rather than “number goes up.” If you ask me what was in Firefox 120, I would have no idea because large numbers are harder to remember than smaller numbers.
Yeah it could work too. Like you said though it’s subjective and internal arguments about what deserves to be big or not sounds tiring :p. For marketing large changes, inventing a buzzword seems to be working well enough.
I guess to each their own, but I kind of like not knowing the version. I just use Firefox and if I really care what’s new I can look at the changelog, or see it in the what’s new pop-up.
I would sincerely advocate for year.month or year.release model so that typical users can figure out how outdated their software is. An average person is usually terrible at keeping software up to date.
At least for Firefox the average person is getting updated automatically. They’d need to go into about:config to turn it off.
Seems like they’d be better off using something like year.month to give better context
Bigger number better
…probably
