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The Vatican on Monday declared gender-affirming surgery and surrogacy as grave violations of human dignity, putting them on par with abortion and euthanasia as practices that reject God’s plan for human life.
The Vatican’s doctrine office issued “Infinite Dignity,” a 20-page declaration that has been in the works for five years. After substantial revision in recent months, it was approved March 25 by Pope Francis, who ordered its publication.
In its most eagerly anticipated section, the Vatican repeated its rejection of “gender theory,” or the idea that one’s gender can be changed. It said God created man and woman as biologically different, separate beings, and said people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”
“It follows that any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception,” the document said.
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It took them five years to whip up a measly 20 pages of dipshittery? Magic space daddy is free to come down here himself and choke on my girl dick if they take such offense to me. Show up quick though I’ve got The Surgery™️ in two months. My unique dignity is I do whatever the fuck I want to with my body, and if god didn’t want that for me shouldn’t have given me the damn thing in the first place
Also I love that they’re like “don’t modify your precious god given body!” and in the same breath say intersex people should be “corrected”. Fuck these ghouls and fuck anyone who supports them
If God wanted the Pope to read, he would have given him better eyes. Take those things off right now, Mr. Pope. Glasses are an affront to God.
“don’t modify your precious god given body!”
“No doctor, you must not remove that child’s appendix! All parts of the body are made in god’s image, and if god wanted this child’s appendix to develop appendicitis, it is surely part of god’s plan!”
It’s much easier, if God wanted us to do something instead of any other things then why the fuck will give us free will, instead of making a bunch of robots.
From another viewpoint, though, we are all flesh robots. Our bodies are built on genetic programming, our personalities and behavior based on environmental stimuli. How much independent thought or agency can an individual claim to have when so much is predetermined the moment we draw first breath?
Might even be able to predict it all if you have a powerful enough computer.
I mean, if that is the case, then that means God built some people to be transgender and seek gender affirming care.
So either way, the church’s bit here is bullshit.
That’s my argument against the religious. If God created you, then he chose to make you trans or gay. He chose to make people skeptical. He chose to make people who need hard evidence to believe things.
If there is a creator who purposely made each of us, then It would see no moral difference between gay and straight, cis and trans. It would also not judge people for disbelief, because It made people who were predisposed to disbelief without extraordinary evidence.
All in all, fuck the religious. They don’t understand their own religion.
Oh 100%
He is some sort of sadist, the free will is so you don’t want to do whatever it is that you are forced to do. Either be miserable in life or suffer for eternity after death. He loves you a lot btw.
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Fuck Pope Francis. Love that he said “no its okay to do genital surgery on babies (literally less than 2 years old) if they don’t match what we decided was right for them”. Intersex people can just go fuck themselves in the Pope’s view I guess.
0 fucking consistency to any of their bullshit rhetoric. I think God’s core message is actually to shut the fuck up and let medical professionals address people’s health problems.
GRS literally saved my life. I would literally be dead if not for it. Transitioning allowed me to live a happy, fulfilled life. Anyone who tries to say that I shouldn’t have been able to transition, or should be forced to detransition, is unironically literally saying that I should be fucking dead. No part of me is a man. If God existed, then me as I am today was always his plan and design for me. Because otherwise he’s just a fucking asshole who literally created me just to suffer and die. If such a God existed I would have no qualms openly defying his creation, because no human being should be driven to suicide over something that real medical treatments exist for.
“ideological colonization”
The unbelievable fucking audacity for the catholic God damn church to accuse trans people of colonizing is so fucking wild. Such an unbelievable thing to say as someone who’s the head of an organization that goes around the world “converting people from their heathen religions to Christianity”. But somehow spreadings trans rights to be themselves and receive medical treatments that save their lives is “colonization”. I’ll tell that to the tens of thousands of dead native children buried outside catholic residential schools.
Glad you are now happy with yourself. Indeed, how should anyone but yourself tell you who you are?
Adults of sound mind should have the right to do to their body what they wish for whatever reason they wish. It’s nobody else’s business. But we can’t expect most ingrained religions or conservatives to accept this.
Perhaps, then, we shouldn’t accept conservatives or their religions.
The problem is that millions of people think that the Pope has a direct line to their god and if the Pope says being trans is in violation of their god’s plan, they’re not going to be good to trans people and some religious trans people, especially the ones who aren’t out, will be driven further into the closet due to the self-hate.
The whole idea of a high pontiff is pretty terrifying. Look at the Crusades. How many people were killed because the Pope said to go kill them and people following him did what he ordered? There’s well over a billion Catholics. If the Pope said to rise up and kill and even 1% of them followed him, the bloodbath would be enormous.
Organized religion was a huge scam. Like our own bodies, it should be something personal or to show off at a dedicated club.
And if anyone knows about violating human dignity, it’s the Pope.
…and his children diddling army of minions
This pope has always been nothing but a PR figurehead, he says nice platitudes, calls gay people friends, and everyone seems to buy his bullshit. Meanwhile, before he was Pope, he was a bigot, misogynistic, antiquated asshole. All the inclusive things he says are nothing but marketing.
You know what else violates human dignity? Shuffling around pedo priests so they get away with their abuses. Refusing to meet with or compensate victims of the clergy. Telling clergy not to cooperate with police etc. That’s what violates human dignity
Remember kids: this is the leftwing darling good Pope.
Religion, not even once.
More of a liberal darling ya? Pretty sure the left is anti-pope in general.
I would basically be fine with the Pope if he stopped the child fucking. The bar is pretty low. I try to have a bit of empathy for the elderly not being very progressive.
So…god did not plan for the reality of the fluidity of genders? The all powerful all knowing god did not account for this in his plan?
Hey…shut up.
-Pope.
The Torah has eleven genders in it. The Jewish God is supposed to be the same one as the Catholic God, so clearly they haven’t read up on their own history
What’s fascinating there is that not only does the Talmud identify eight genders, but two of them specify having changed their gender presentation through human intervention - precisely the type of intervention that the Pope is decrying here.
I seem to recall a scripture about there being no male or female in the eyes of God. So not sure why old man pope is so offended.
It distinguished between gender-affirming surgeries, which it rejected, and “genital abnormalities” that are present at birth or that develop later. Those abnormalities can be “resolved” with the help of health care professionals, it said.
Of course. God created males to be male and females to be female, and any attempt to change that is an abomination… but he didn’t create intersex people to be intersex, and that must be “corrected”. Just goes to show, this is just man putting his hate in God’s mouth again.
Honestly, the main reason I don’t believe in God is because I can’t believe any all-powerful, just and benevolent God would allow things like this to be said in their name without any push back.
Honestly, the main reason I don’t believe in God is because I can’t believe any all-powerful, just and benevolent God would allow things like this to be said in their name without any push back.
Yep. I’ll believe in God when he starts smiting Philistines again.
Yeah, but what makes more sense is Dystheism…
"the belief that a god is not wholly good and can even be considered evil, or one and the same with Satan. Definitions of the term somewhat vary, with one author defining it as “where God decides to become malevolent”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystheism
'Kinda puts the proclamations of the church into perspective.
A malevolent god is certainly a possibility, but in that case, the absolute best thing I could do is not even acknowledge its presence.
I can’t say I really understand the argument against surrogacy they’re making here. It seems like the same argument would mean that adoption shouldn’t be allowed either. Their other argument on the matter seems to be that abuse of a system means a system should be eliminated, which is an interesting argument for the Catholic Church to make.
I can’t say I really understand the argument against surrogacy they’re making here
I remember a Bible story about a man that died before having an heir so his brother was to impregnate the widow. But surrogacy is bad for some reason?
Oh, surrogacy is something a woman could benefit from. Right.
I think their skydaddy logic is it can’t be done without discarding eggs and as we all know each egg has a soul.
Meanwhile they eat eggs during lent.
You know what really violates human dignity? Being raped by a priest and then having the church cover it up.
Funny I felt a lot less dignity without gender affirming surgery.
And on a bitchier note, my genitals may be handmade, but I’m allowed to use them.
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the vatican can blast this dick
They’d only be interested if you were a minor
I’m no expert but I think systemically raping kids and assisting those perpetrators is a slightly worse violation of human dignity
No it’s not, but being abused by a priest sure as hell is.
Welp, turns out they’re still the same old Catholic Church after all. Whoda thunk it? 🙄
