I like that there is a large contingent of actual socialists whether soc dems, anarchists or the dreaded tankies.

I like that there is a greater anti corporate mindset and I’m less likely to see someone justify something because “well what do you expect, businesses exist to make money”.

I like that there are so many Linux and open source enthusiasts. And privacy enthusiasts. Used to be big on Reddit but became more and more niche over time.

I like that there aren’t pun threads. Maybe that’s not really true culture but more contrast with Reddit.

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Then stop running defense for them. They’re another party of millionaires and capitalists

Our vote are public, anyone can see them.

Yeah, but those that go and look to confront users are absolute losers. And I’d love mbin to fail for that “feature”

It’s not conspiracy.

This is what happens when you make your website amenable to conservatives. That sub has grown more popular through the years and it’s thanks to its satellites like KiA and others that organized and spread conservative messaging.

And right now they’re taking victory laps so of course it’s got a lot of activity

When the topic is “people are overwhelmingly misinformed on this specific issue”, then yeah basically that’s how it goes.

If I made a meme about how too many people associate vaccines with autism or whatever, and I got a bunch of comments from anti-vaxxers saying just that, then yeah I think the comments would provide additional evidence, yeah.

This thread is exactly why leftist unity communities need to make it clear to liberals that they aren’t leftist.

Because otherwise you end up with what you see in these comments: a bunch of people in your “movement” who are completely willing to acquiesce to Capital

Uh no. Where are you getting these definitions?

From actual political theory and not Rothbard-esque ancap bullshit

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Nah, I just find amusement in someone who ostensibly considers themselves political (volunteers for the Dems!) being affronted when accurately told that being leftist entails more than what talk about on NPR and NYT. Even the Wikipedia summary of leftism states the modern left is anti-capitalist and liberalism is “center-left” at best. It’s just an example of the allowed spectrum of opinion and an example of how much the politico class ignores political theory outside that spectrum.

And we push back on it because allowing the right wing, mainstream media, and liberal parties to define liberalism as the left is exactly what helps push the Overton window to the right.

Instead of running away when confronted with that fact and creating a space for centrists to feel more comfortable, maybe y’all could listen instead.

No. My point was that as Reddit became more mainstream, it became more conservative. As it became more conservative, more conservative spaces were created like the Donald and gamergate subs. And people and ideas from those spaces ended up seeping into other “non political” subs, like technology, gaming, movies, etc.

The amount of xenophobia, transphobia, anti-feminism, etc. I saw in general purpose subs grew post Digg migration, especially in gamer subs as gamergate happened in 2014.

Conservatism and centrist liberalism are the dominant political beliefs in the US, UK, and seemingly most of Europe too. Those voices will outnumber and browbeat leftist voices over time if they join an online platform en masse, in my experience.

No one is going to change the world by posting. Very few people have the time or energy to discuss or debate every day. I’d rather just not deal with an entire host of opinions and takes that I already deal with every day in real life.

What I’ve learned over my time using sites like Digg and Reddit is that allowing conservative views to fester and form their communities on a platform allows them to organize and grow and seep into other “non political” spaces. The Donald, gamergate, transphobia, general reaction, whatever.

And the “anti-politics” enlightened centrist types are enablers that allow this.

If people come here and go “wow they sure are critical of Israel, America, Trump, and billionaires. I hate this”, then they’re self selecting themselves from joining and I just don’t think that’s a loss.

The measurement of a platform to me is the quality of the users, not the quantity.

Lol @ “who volunteered for the Democrats”. Ain’t that a microcosm of every American politico (especially Democrats) ignorant of actual political theory.

Imagine getting upset that someone accurately described “leftism” to you. I can only imagine it’s major cognitive dissonance after a lifetime of consuming mainstream political media calling liberalism “leftist” and pushing the overton window right.

Lemmy.world already is the “normie” instance catering to liberalism. Your friend either ran into the more progressive parts of that instance or an actual leftist from a federated one. Either way, they got told an accurate take.

Anyway, can we please stop all the attempts to make this place comfortable for conservative and right wing views in the name of “growth”? Have y’all actually been on a default subreddit in the last 15 years? Would that be worth it here?

Sounds to me more like it’s getting worse then, not better.

I don’t listen to podcasts often. But I like:

• Citations Needed: a podcast about media. Basically goes into how media covers some events and topics from a leftist perspective.

• Cane and Rinse: video game discussions and analyses. Each episode covers a specific game

I’m sure there are fine people on Reddit who don’t know about Lemmy, but your quoted examples consist mostly of certain type of faux-“apolitical” person and that’s where the solutioning is stemming from.

I don’t think bringing the average default sub Redditor over would be a net positive for the platform.

Sounds like we’re filtering out the exact type of people I would never want to come from Reddit. Dunno why y’all want them.

I view .world fairly negatively, but I’m a bit conflicted about it.

The overall ethos is the type of milquetoast liberal (as in capitalist) tech bro that I associated with some of the more annoying and smug parts of Reddit. The politics comm has all the familiar trappings of /r/politics and there is a fair amount of “red scare” type posting, especially if China is involved. The smear campaigns against the .ml and hexbear instances also get under my skin.

It’s the instance I would first suspect of becoming a “Nazi bar” in the long run because of their prominence and typical faux “tolerance” (though sh.it.just.works might be worse). Some here would probably argue it already is one. Same as what happened to Reddit over time. Subs like KiA, the Donald, and the general conservative sub just wouldn’t have been as big in early Reddit, even as Libertarian as it was.

It also is arguably hostile to Lemmy as a platform. If you subscribe to their Fediverse comm, then you’ll see a post at least once a month that exists to harshly criticize the Lemmy developers and the platform as a whole while providing space for every reactionary developer to advertise their competing platform. I find that harmful to Lemmy, which is the most successful Reddit clone to be created by far.

However, it’s a big instance, and as much as I like my platforms being full of leftists, I don’t mind interacting with more uh everyday people. There are a lot of comms that probably would never exist here. Plus they just bring a lot of activity to the platform as a whole and they aren’t all bad.

Pretty much why I made my .ml account my default. I can interact with hexbear, .ml, lemmygrad, .world and the others. Sometimes that’s for the worst, but it’s mostly been a good experience.

But yeah I’d take hexbear every day over .world if I had to choose. Even with the terminally online struggle sessions.

Anarchists discuss basically all of that and aren’t right wing

Why would they learn anything? The entire .world instance, Dem Reddit/Twitter, etc. does nothing but run defense for them, tell everyone they need to vote for them no matter what, and browbeat everyone who engages in criticism of the party during every election season, local and national.