My first time experience here had been very politically charged and I asked about it in askLemmy and I was told to immediately block you people in the options I was given
I had the opportunity to browse around and found out that you folk were decent and weren’t as awful as told in that post I made
How do you view .world and by extension other instances that defederate (and view negatively) towards you?
The biggest divide between Hexbear and the instances hostile towards Hexbear (not all instances are hostile to Hexbear, despite what many try to claim) is analysis of Imperialism. Hexbear largely agrees with Lenin when he analyzed how Capitalism eventually evolves into a form of international exploitation in the book Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism. Not everyone here is a Marxist, many are Anarchists, Syndicalists, or other forms of Leftist, but this central critique of Imperialism forms the basis of Hexbear’s overall foreign policy. There are other divides, of course, such as Hexbear’s unapologetic support for trans rights, veganism, opposition of the settler-colonial genocide in Palestine, and more, but the Imperialist critique is the biggest divide.
How do I view Lemmy.world? Fairly negatively. The Admins have admitted open hostility towards Marxism, and censor comments and posts that point to the Democrats being complicit in the genocide of Palestine. In addition, many users have been guilty of bigotry, and open transphobia I report seems to stay up as long as it’s directed towards Leftists.
Overall, if you’re chill, you’ll be fine here. Really, despite the fearmongering on other instances, my time on Hexbear is the most enjoyable. The News thread is informative, the general thread is fun to chill out in, the gaming comm is great for talking about Fallout: New Vegas (my hyperfixation, lol), and more. The people here are the friendliest on the Fediverse if you’re a Leftist, and the scariest if you’re a bigot.
Hope that about does it!
I’m not friendly I’m going to bully you, stinky!
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Jk good comment
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Fallout: New Vegas (my hyperfixation, lol)
Makes sense, 50% of hb is trans or questioning
I 've questioned before, I think I’m still cis lol
We’ll get you, eventually. Fallout NV is just the beginning.
Jk it’s your journey and I was just memeing about FNV being THE Trans videogame.
Yea I know lol, was just joking back.
I wish I had half your patience
I ran out of it on the Lemmy.world version of this post
Plus the mod banned me from the comm for a week for saying questioning trans users identities is transphobic by calling that “aggressively intentional misinterpretation.” Meanwhile open transphobia is left up and users unpunished. It is the oned calling out transphobia that are banned.
cowbee you are legitimately the goat, you are our patient bridge to those willing to learn
dawww, thank you comrade
I’m shocked at how often people there claim that all our Communism and Trans posting is some sort of front and that we are actually secret right-wingers.
I have never been able to get a straight answer when I ask why a group of supposed right wingers would make a largely isolated instance to talk about theory, shitpost, support trans rights, foster a welcoming community, and create mutual aid comms to raise money for community members and Palestinians, but all ironically of course.
We literally did the Long March on a hopelessly incompatible fork of Lemmy years before the Reddit Exodus took place
Libs really did fall out of a coconut tree
we must remember the harsh days of the timewall
constructing an intricate fantasy world is more appealing than acknowledging you’ve spent decades being wrong
Sadly, correct. That’s why criticism and self-criticism are core to many Leftist spaces, and a major hurdle for western leftists to jump over.
As we all know, right-wingers are notorious for hating capitalism
I mean, kinda? Many right wingers will critique Capitalism but call it “corporatism,” AnCaps in a nutshell.
Fascists will claim to be against capitalism (citing Judeo-Bolshevism as the reason its not working), then turn everything over to capitalists so long as they help with genocide. AnCaps are just fascists too chickenshit to identify themselves as such.
Oh absolutely. The thing with right-wingers is that they all have failed analysis so even though many clearly are alienated by Capitalism, they still think they can be saved by it.
The greatest lies often contain a kernel of truth
Due to decades of suppression of the left, it is easier for Americans to imagine insane right-wing psyops than principled Marxist-Leninists.
It’s seriously like some crap cavemen would come up with after a nasty encounter with another group of cavemen where most of the members of their group were killed and they had to make up a mythology to justify the L they took.
I don’t think much about them at all unless they’re brought up. I do find the fact that they need to lie about us in order to make us look bad very telling though.
it’s not just lie; they tag every prolific leftist poster has tankies and share lists among themselves to help poison the well.
oh wow that’s…actually pretty pathetic. i guess in their minds they are fighting evil red fascists so any means make sense, but damn that is just sad.
it’s worse than just sad; it’s choking off their engagement and turning the non-political/technical communities into a sea of multiple inactive communities despite their significantly larger user base. if the leftists stopped commenting in their political communities, those would die off too.
Thank you, I agree, it’s difficult to view a truthful look into hexbear unless you are a part of an instance that is not defederating them or intentionally go onto the hexbear instance to check for yourself!
I’m honestly shocked with how much they would rather say just because of ideological differences .~.
I feel like the rest of the fediverse thinks about us a lot more than we think about them. We were here for years before most of the big Reddit-clone instances started up, and had already developed a significant site culture and norms. Many of us were ambivalent about federation in the first place, and .world and others defederating from us as a “preemptive last resort” was pretty much just funny. The hysterical propaganda about how insane and abusive we are is also funny; this is one of the friendliest and most supportive places on the internet as long as you’re not a fascist. We’re happy over here doing our thing away from all the Redditors.
I think a lot of the reddit clones really can’t conceive that anyone was here before they were and therefore thinks it must be bots or people using multiple accounts or Putin’s personal bodyguards
This is why all the accusations of us “brigading” or whatever here are amusing. We were here first, nerds.
I just want to thank you for being open minded enough to give us a chance after how they talked shit about us
Yeah and honestly the first comment OP left here got a lot of somewhat hostile responses that weren’t warranted. I commend their open-mindedness.
Lemmy World defederated from Hexbear for political reasons. They didn’t like explicitly socialist content. They are incapable of accepting its existence. They did this in tandem with banning leftists that were vocal and active on their platform at the time.
This is extremely obvious because at the time this occurred the reasong they claimed for the defederation was because that Hexbear does hate speech. This is blatantly bullshit to anyone that spends even the slightest amount of time here, Hexbear is probably the LEAST tolerant of reactionary behaviour and views of every lemmy that exists.
That however does not agree with the turbo neoliberals who run lemmyworld, who can not tolerate any views to the left of their own.
How do you view .world
Dot world has trended rightwards ever since the defederation of Hexbear and banning of leftists on it. They will continue to trend rightwards. If you remove left wing voices from your space the result is a right wing space that increasingly alienates everyone as it becomes more and more reactionary, with more and more people leaving because they can not tolerate how obnoxious the right is, and leadership increasingly will pander to the right when left with the choice of doing so or dying as a site as those are the only users they will still have.
I personally wanted to remain federated with lemmyworld in order to continue to engage liberals, educate them, and pull those that I could leftwards. The truth is that lemmyworld defederated because they knew I and others would have been successful in doing that. The majority of Hexbear would probably oppose federation now.
Well put and it’s a pleasure to have you back comrade.
I’ve had mostly bad experiences with world users. Lots of blue MAGA liberal types, who think any criticism of democrats is a vote for trump (and now look what’s going on with the Gaza ceasefire…). I got banned over sharing the fact that democrat senator joe Lieberman single handedly tanked the public option of obamacare. And they really don’t like it when you support Luigi.
Honestly they’re “centrists” but leave racist and anti semitic (not anti Zionist, straight up anti semitic) content up while removing leftist content.
I’m over at the anarchist instance dbzer0 after my original account hosted on world got banned.
They convinced themselves we are all tankies and now are hiding from us. In reality, we just got the better more consistent arguments and they don’t have any recourse against them except to ignore us, make up a strawman of us and lie to themselves.
They defederated before I even heard them speak.
Didn’t they preemptively defed from us? Damn, they were scared of even the idea of being exposed to us existing. It’s so weird.
Pre-emptively, as a last resort. That phrasing is burnt into my fucking brain, it’s such a great oxymoron.
Papa Roach joke
Cut Lemmy into pieces, this is my last resort
Defederation, preemptive
Don’t give a fuck if I - that’s all I got, sorry.
Yes, if I am remembering correctly they pre-emptively defederated as a last resort
.world definitely did
I remember them making a big stink about even the possibility of having to actually engage with us
Not a hexbear but:
VTC had problems with lemmy.world
Their size and ethos mean that users are very poorly moderated, and basically all users that would come to vtc to stir shit were identified with .world accounts.
The admins are also very hostile to vegans.
I exclusively post on hexbear and have never visited, browsed, or posted on the other lemmy instances because I am exclusively here for the hexbear community.
Whenever I am reminded that .world exists (by someone here posting about them posting some frantic stuff about us), I remember that they “pre-emptively de-federated hexbear as a last resort”, which is such a hilarious phrasing to me.
The lemmyverse’s general hysteria about hexbear is an ugly little microcosm of how western chauvinism manifests towards foreign others, and in that respect it’s extremely pitiful and depressing to watch the same brain-worms at play.
The lemmyverse’s general hysteria about hexbear is an ugly little microcosm of how western chauvinism manifests towards foreign others, and in that respect it’s extremely pitiful and depressing to watch the same brain-worms at play.
There is a spectre haunting lemmy
I didn’t even know there were other places connected to this I came here because it’s an extraordinarily welcoming leftist space that is fun to browse.
Indeed
I don’t think about them at all
I don’t except for when they post here and I go “yeesh, are they about to post cringe?”
I view .world fairly negatively, but I’m a bit conflicted about it.
The overall ethos is the type of milquetoast liberal (as in capitalist) tech bro that I associated with some of the more annoying and smug parts of Reddit. The politics comm has all the familiar trappings of /r/politics and there is a fair amount of “red scare” type posting, especially if China is involved. The smear campaigns against the .ml and hexbear instances also get under my skin.
It’s the instance I would first suspect of becoming a “Nazi bar” in the long run because of their prominence and typical faux “tolerance” (though sh.it.just.works might be worse). Some here would probably argue it already is one. Same as what happened to Reddit over time. Subs like KiA, the Donald, and the general conservative sub just wouldn’t have been as big in early Reddit, even as Libertarian as it was.
It also is arguably hostile to Lemmy as a platform. If you subscribe to their Fediverse comm, then you’ll see a post at least once a month that exists to harshly criticize the Lemmy developers and the platform as a whole while providing space for every reactionary developer to advertise their competing platform. I find that harmful to Lemmy, which is the most successful Reddit clone to be created by far.
However, it’s a big instance, and as much as I like my platforms being full of leftists, I don’t mind interacting with more uh everyday people. There are a lot of comms that probably would never exist here. Plus they just bring a lot of activity to the platform as a whole and they aren’t all bad.
Pretty much why I made my .ml account my default. I can interact with hexbear, .ml, lemmygrad, .world and the others. Sometimes that’s for the worst, but it’s mostly been a good experience.
But yeah I’d take hexbear every day over .world if I had to choose. Even with the terminally online struggle sessions.
I need to know your opinion on outdoor cats and the dunk tank.
whenever i’m on my lemmy.ml account and i see something horrifyingly hateful and/or condescending, it’s a .world user like 90% of the time
it’s gotten to a point where i don’t even like to go outside of hexbear anymore because it’s just upsetting to see all this reddit-tier shittiness on a platform that used to be so pleasant in its early days. wish it had grown organically instead of having that exodus of reddit’s dregs honestly, but at least most of them seem to have congregated on one particular (blockable) instance
