• Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        It’s called burying the lede. It should have been disclosed up front.

        Burying the lede refers to the practice of hiding the most important and relevant information within a story, often by placing it towards the end or burying it beneath less crucial details. This technique can be used intentionally to manipulate the narrative or unintentionally due to poor storytelling.

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            I did read the article. It’s copagada. Should I conclude anything else? Tightening the noose of the survailence state run by people whose life mission is to suck us dry and destory any leftist

            IMO Slate, as an org, should have disclosed it next to her name in the header [Name, Profession, Disclosure, then the yadda yadda] as in traditional practice instead of 3 paragraphs down after some exposition. They knew people don’t like cops, especially it’s intended audience, so they need a hook to get you invested first so you don’t dissmiss it outright which it should be anyways.

            She’s litterally a cop trying to “we hear you we see you” gaslight us into being comfortable a totalitarian surveillance state that historicallly has and is continued to be used against us on the left. I don’t need to go into a long ass tirade about the history - especially in American context.

            You may have a difference of opinion on that but doesn’t mean you get to throw around “Well you just didn’t read the article”. No I read it and disagreed with the way it’s presented and it’s conclusions. I wanted people to know this piece is coming from a cop and should be looked at with scrutiny or scoffed at as it should be. Or as OP posted for - dunking and scoffing.

            We’ve heard all her bullshit before “the benifets outwight the risks” maybe-later-kiddo be pragmatic. Yeah i remeber how much life SUCKS in this country post 9/11 and the damned PATRIOT Act. I have sworn off NY State, Texas, Illinois, Florida, most of California just because it is fucking creepy and fucked up. I stay in the house. Even when I do stay in the house all my electronics have backdoors and zero days. They can use my wifi to see in the house everywhere I go. They know everything I type, all the port I violate my Volcel Oath with. Every password. Everythin I say.

            I don’t want cameras everywhere tracking my every move slappped into a Skynet Minority Report precrime system. Just because we can doesn’t mean we should especially given the trajectory of how it’s been going so far with secret department and secret laws ans secret programs and “oh we would never” except after 20 years disclose “yeah we really were the whole time so we need this new security law to make the illegal unconstitutional shit we were doing legal to cover our asses”.

            Edit - oh and the State will magically turn them off, have things break, disappear, or destroyed if it has anything to do with embarssing or incriminating them. Aka Seth Rich who leaked DNC, Hillary emails guned down in one of the most survailed cities (DC) no clue to his assailant, or Jeffery Epstien under suicide watch in prison.

            I wonder why people don’t trust cops? Well if we can’t rely on people because we have fucked our reputation then we’re just going to take and do whatever and here’s how that’s a good thing and won’t make things worse. jagoff

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        your name, face, age, money in your bank account

        Every developed country has this info on it’s citizenry, heck most developing countries these days do to. You’re arguing basic bureaucracy is totalitarian.

        where you spend your time, where you have been to, etc.

        And most countries have some means of keeping track of this too if they suspect you’re guilty of a crime. Again, describing this as some unique “evil” makes no sense, any sort of state administration does this, you have to prove it’s frequently being deployed in a extremely malicious way before you can argue any state is more “authoritarian” or whatever than any other.

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            Okay I take it you’re an anarchist then.

            Fine, but then you really shouldn’t be focusing on China. The US is just as guilty of this, more so I’d argue, especially if we’re not just arguing domestically. Whatever country you’re from is also guilty of this. Every country is.

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                The things you listed are so mundane it seems totally asinine to focus your criticism on China. You can literally say this about fucking Andorra 🇦🇩

                It’s like if you said you hated Bob but when I asked you why you listened a bunch of flaws most humans have and when I point that out to you, you retort “well I hate most people”. Okay, why are we discussing Bob then?

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          first of all, just gonna drop this here:

          https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/china

          it’s to keep society safe and functioning

          no, it’s to keep the new ruling class in power and suppress any and all other thinking people

          in an ideal world, this wouldn’t be necessary but china has 1.3 billion people

          this level of control is never justified desu, I mean even if you belive everything the CCP says (that no one is being suppressed, etc), what if someone else (someone else as within some other member of the CCP) came to power who doesn’t like free speech, they could use this against free speech. Also you can’t seriously tell me that China is a Utopia without corruption, where no one abuses this system.

          and remains one of the safest nations on earth

          this is objectively wrong, you may be safe from criminals, but not from the state or megacorps

          you don’t see police constantly brutalizing people there

          here is how they treat peaceful journalists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjLt3XTY-rs Now you may say: that’s not as bad as some US police brutality, but that is because in the US these things actually get investigated and the officers that did wrong at least sometimes get what they deserve, in China however there is no such thing as reporting these cases to the press, because they prefer what looks better over what is right

          you can’t drive ten miles in america without seeing someone pulled over by police for some minor traffic violation- is that freedom

          no, but is being spied on and worrying about your every move freedom?

          this isn’t an issue in china because firstly the police are trained and secondly many of those interactions are entirely eliminated

          and then catch them at home

          and you think the police is less likely to assault someone when nobody is looking?

          this isn’t an issue in china

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_h1oJYyTe4

          many of those interactions are entirely eliminated

          and then catch them at home

          america knows all that about me too

          first: they know less about you than the CCP does about a chinese citizen

          second: that’s still bad, I’m against survailance no matter who does it

          and i’ll still see 5 homeless people along the way

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdC9xube-2c I know this guy is a US bootlicker, but he has a point in this specifical video

          idealistic thinking isn’t realistic

          I’m not an Idealist, but I’d rather die than live under a dictatorship

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            I’m not an Idealist, but I’d rather die than live under a dictatorship

            brother then you know what to do because your ass is living under a dictatorship of the borugeoisie

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                , I just want neither a political party nor the borgeoisi rule me

                Well guess what buttercup, you’re going to have to grow the fuck up and learn how politics works because even under whatever anarcho-whateverist bullshit you dream up you’re still going to be subject to the rules of the dominant parties.

                You’re a liberal larping as an anarchist if you think anarchy means “i’m totally free from the burdens of what others want”

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                You don’t want to be ruled, then you’re a libertarian. Hence the “live free or die” slogan from the American imperialists in your header image

                Call yourself a syndicalist, but no unified council of syndicates to run a group? Best of luck

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            here is how they treat peaceful journalists:

            No way you just linked to a CNN dipshit shoving his way through a restricted area while speaking only English. Your “journalists” don’t exist they’re Western chauvinistic propagandists. Do some self crit and explore the resources hexbear shares on modern China.

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            here is how they treat peaceful journalists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjLt3XTY-rs Now you may say: tha

            Hahahahahaha oh fuck that was hilarious, thanks for posting. “Sirs! They are manhandling me! I say! We are in a public space and they are manhandling me!” Fuckin hilarious, I got no sympathy for CNN anglo propagandists trying to muscle their way into that space when they don’t even speak Mandarin and they’re obviously there to do a hit piece. Cry about it

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              Then why are you alive right now?

              because I will fight against capitalism, imperialism, dictators and monarchs util my last dieing breath

              also what I meant with that is that I’ll rather die than live in a dictatorship and not do anything to destroy it’s chains of opression

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            …what if someone else (someone else as within some other member of the CCP) came to power who doesn’t like free speech, they could use this against free speech.

            They can and do. Free speech is a bad thing, especially in a nation under siege from the Great Satan. I especially want you and people with your views to have their free speech suppressed.

            Now you may say: that’s not as bad as some US police brutality, but that is because in the US these things actually get investigated and the officers that did wrong at least sometimes get what they deserve.

            Unironically believing this farquaad-point. It took over a year of protests and riots all over the Great Satan to get one (1) pig to get anything more than a slap on the wrist!

            first: they know less about you than the CCP does about a chinese citizen

            Fake news.

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            zhenli explains anarchism's reliance on idealism (cw: critical discussion of tendencies)

            […]

            Second, it ignores the actual, real distinction between Marxists and anarchists, which is centralization and decentralization, originating from differing views on historical materialism and idealism.

            Anarchists want to break up society into decentralized units, they see the centralization tendency of capitalist society as a bad thing and want to smash it and build an entirely new and different society out of a void, while Marxists see the development of capitalist society as in fact laying the foundations for socialism which it will be built on top of, i.e. it will be centralized.

            Bukharin explained this brilliantly a century ago.

            Communist society is, as such, a STATELESS society. If this is the case - and there is no doubt that it is - then what, in reality, does the distinction between anarchists and marxist communists consist of? Does the distinction, as such, vanish at least when it comes to examining the problem of the society to come and the “ultimate goal”? No, the distinction does exist; but it is to be found elsewhere; and can be defined as a distinction between production centralised under large trusts and small, decentralised production.

            …Our ideal solution to this is centralised production, methodically organised in large units and, in the final analysis, the organisation of the world economy as a whole. Anarchists, on the other hand, prefer a completely different type of relations of production; their ideal consists of tiny communes which by their very structure are disqualified from managing any large enterprises, but reach “agreements” with one another and link up through a network of free contracts. From an economic point of view, that sort of system of production is clearly closer to the medieval communes, rather than the mode of production destined to supplant the capitalist system. But this system is not merely a retrograde step: it is also utterly utopian. The society of the future will not be conjured out of a void, nor will it be brought by a heavenly angel. It will arise out of the old society, out of the relations created by the gigantic apparatus of finance capital.

            —Bukharin, Anarchy and Scientific Communism

            It is very important to understand that anarchists aren’t simply Marxists who want to get to statelessness faster. They are in many ways the polar opposite of Marxists, the gulf that separates Marxists from anarchists is just as large as pretty much any other ideology.

            Anarchists reject historical materialism and view history through an idealist lens, believing that all new societies are “conjured out of a void” as Bukharin put it, and thus they believe this new society can be anything they want it to be, if they can imagine it then it can be implemented.

            Marxists on the other hand, with a historical materialist analysis, see new systems as inherently being built upon new conditions brought into existence by the old system, i.e. socialism cannot be anything we want it to be but must be built upon foundations created by capitalism itself.

            Hence, Marxists see the centralization tendency of capitalism as the basis for what socialism will be built upon, while anarchists not only do not hold this view, but they view the conditions capitalism is bringing forth as a bad thing that must be entirely destroyed.

            A wide gulf separates socialism from anarchism, and it is in vain that the agents-provocateurs of the secret police and the news paper lackeys of reactionary governments pretend that this gulf does not exist. The philosophy of the anarchists is bourgeois philosophy turned inside out. Their individualistic theories and their individualistic ideal are the very opposite of socialism. Their views express, not the future of bourgeois society, which is striding with irresistible force towards the socialisation of labour, but the present and even the past of that society, the domination of blind chance over the scattered and isolated small, producer.

            —Lenin, Socialism and Anarchism

            […]

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        “the Joe Biden knows everything about you, your name, face, age, money in your bank account, where you spend your time, where you have been to, etc. I don’t think you could call that good use of surveillance.”

        America’s surveillance apparatus is leagues more brutal than any Chinese system but USians don’t hear about it because it’s being field tested in the genocide of Palestine and hunting down migrants at the border. It’s also incredibly fucked, your 9 digit SSN is basically used for anything govt. related and can basically be considered your state mandated government ID from birth. So much of American data is held up in data brokers who will literally sell your personal info (enough for anyone to impersonate you) to the government or to other companies, the 3 letter agencies literally hoard petabytes of American data they gathered after 9/11 when the US basically became what the liberal imagination thinks China is.

        China has spent decades perfecting their surveillance apparatus and yet it’s not the extrajudicial murder, school shooting, prisoner capital of the world.

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            True you can protest and be blinded by rubber bullets, run over by vigilante trucks, and be ignored by legislators. Freedom baby~

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            i’d like to introduce you to a bunch of my comrades who protested the genocide of Palestinians on college campuses

            i want you to tell them they’re very free to protest in the USA and their efforts have viable effects. You might have to do it in person since some of them still can’t see through the pepper spray and can’t hear very well from their head injuries

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            Which country do you live in?

            If it’s the US I’d suggest you focus on criticizing your own country first.

            If it’s another country the US probably has far more geopolitical influencer over your country than China does, so you’re still using your time better criticizing them.

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            Why bother making a hexbear account when you’re just going to be banned for being a liberal

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                Ogey…

                Just to ask, do you believe in countries like Vietnam, Laos, or Cuba, or even Bolivia

                If you can’t, then even tho you may not a liberal, economically, or culturally, I think you are a liberal at heart, when it comes to foreign policy… aka you tow the U.S state department’s line, when it comes to ‘good’ and ‘bad’ countries

                I’m afraid because of such matters, you might get banned over this

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                  you might get banned over this

                  I’m new here, but I didn’t do anything wrong I think, I just stated my opinion

                  If I did something wrong please enlighten me

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            posting this here for those who might click on these links and read

            Many westerners come to socialism not out of necessity, but out of disillusionment. We are raised with the idea that Liberal Democracy is the best system of political expression humanity has devised. When confronted with the reality of its shortcomings, rather than narrowly discard liberalism or electoralism, the western anti-capitalist tends to draw sweeping conclusions about the inadequacy of all existing systems. Curiously, though it would at first seem that such denunciations are more principled and severe, they are in fact more compatible with existing and widespread beliefs about the supremacy of the western system. That is to say, when a Marxist-Leninist asserts the superiority of existing socialist experiments, they are directly challenging the idea that westerners are at the forefront of political development. By contrast, the assertions from anarchists and social democrats that we need to build a more utopian future out of our current apex are compatible not only with each other, as discussed earlier, but also do not really offend bourgeois society at large. They in fact end up not sounding too different from the arch-imperialist Winston Churchill holding forth on how ours is the worst system, except for all the others which have been tried. Western chauvinists, consciously or unconsciously, struggle with the idea that they should study and humbly take lessons from the imperial periphery. [15] It is much easier for the chauvinist, psychologically, to position oneself as at the very front of a new vanguard.

            from https://redsails.org/why-marxism/

            The result of this grim state of affairs is that the oppressed classes understandably become deeply cynical about the entire notion of “politics.” Or, to put it in terms of political tendency, regardless of who they vote for at the booth, they begin to become dyed-in-the-wool Libertarians; “incompetence of government” becomes their main transcendental political truth. This becomes especially apparent when they discuss the choking and overthrow of the government of other peoples, in Venezuela and Syria and Korea. Normally, disillusionment with one’s government would lead to demands for better government, or different government, but Westerners are so ingrained with the idea that theirs is the best government, that instead they reject the very idea of good governance altogether. And so the masses learn to passively embrace the encroachment of private corporations over all aspects of the economy and indeed life in general.

            from https://redsails.org/brainwashing/

            Now consider these excerpts from the aforementioned Guardian article:

            For a reliable benchmark about the power of the party in China, you only need to listen to wealthy entrepreneurs hold forth on politics. These otherwise all-powerful CEOs go to abject lengths to praise the party. To take a few companies listed in a single article in the South China Morning Post, Richard Liu of e-commerce group JD.com predicted communism would be realised in his generation and all commercial entities would be nationalised. Xu Jiayin of Evergrande Group, one of China’s largest property developers, said that everything the company possessed was given by the party and he was proud to be the party secretary of his company. Liang Wengen of Sany Heavy Industry, which builds earthmovers, went even further, saying his life belonged to the party. [14]

            Just as the lack of dignity of American workers isn’t merely superficial, but symptomatic, the same is true of the lack of dignity of Chinese capitalists. The periodic execution of corrupt capitalists and the humiliation of Jack Ma matter. Chauvinistic “Left” intellectuals may dismiss them as performative, but Western capitalists accustomed to impunity understand the threat loud and clear. The dignity or indignity experienced by different classes testifies more to the class character of a state than musings about its leaders’ sincerity.

            from https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

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              Don’t despair when the lib you’re talking to ignores your well thought out response. Instead, look at the people lurking and reading the thread and not commenting, and what they see. They see you provide thoughtful and insightful statements backed up with evidence, only for the lib to either ignore it entirely or just dismiss it with a handwave (and obviously not even reading it). Even if someone agrees with the lib and not you, it still isn’t a good look for their “team” to be so smugly and proudly ignorant.

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                Don’t despair when the lib you’re talking to ignores your well thought out response.

                Said lib has taken to posting about those mean hexbear tankies all over the anti-communist parts of Lemmy (and also for some reason lemmy.ml’s anarchism comm). This was never about good faith discussion and all about getting in a pissing contest here then whining about it elsewhere.

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                  Yeah, they show up every now and then so they can whine about “censorship” or mean evilbad tankies. It’s so pathetic.

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                  Truly, and it’s mind blowing to see people run defence for them, insisting that those that oppose them are the real demons, while claiming that they oppose the powers that be are “just as bad” despite never actually willing to commit to their own claims about what they would do if they were living in the exact situation they claim to despise.

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            Someone should remind him the Hong Kong protests were started to prevent the extradition of a dude who chopped up his girlfriend and put her in a suitcase. I’m not pro-law enforcement or even close, but the Hong Kong protests are a really strange thing to fixate on.

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              In reality it was about mix of reasons, main ones was, first, HK was choke full of various crooks who would had chance to move to slammer under Chinese law so they shat their pants, and since they were influental there they incited the petty burgie mob going hard on red scare, commies confiscating their toothbrush etc. Second main reason is because the new law was a step towards decolonisation from British colonial and financial power and this moved the really big players to support the former two levels.

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            I was considering sharing that post in the dunk tank, but I’m worried it would be too self-promo since it’s my comment they’re malding over.

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    It’s interesting how she uses the voices of people of color to try to justify this. I tried looking into her background, and it seems like she’s just white? This might be more blackwashing (idk if this is a real term) than representing what the “black community” wants. Add to that how the “black community” is not a monolith, and it really doesn’t seem very genuine.

    Also, she was charged with child endangerment. Just a fun fact I found while looking her up.