Can imagine making 30 k a year and having to pay even 1600 in taxes. This is saying it will increase that much.
Print, laminate and start ticking this up around your local town centre.
America, the home of enshittifiction!
making 30 k a year and having to pay even 1600 in taxes
That’s like 5.3%, could that be real? That would be ridiculously low. I just checked and with that same income I’d be paying 2480 in Germany, or 8.3%, and that’s in taxes alone. After social insurances and health insurance the total deduction would be 6450 or 21.5% total.
I can’t say anything about the validity of the infographic but it says “increase up to” so it’s relative not absolute. So without knowing the current taxation it would be hard to say that tax is low, unless you think the increase is too low. Or am I missing something?
The text from the OP below the infographic was my point of reference, not the graphic itself.
I’m speaking from the perspective if you’re that close to or under the poverty line it does not help society to tax you any amount.
Google says the poverty line in the US is 13800, what am I missing?
The actual real poverty line is going to be region dependent. If you grow up in a high income area and end up “only” making 30k a year before taxes, then you’ll be either living with your parents or in your car.
As to why 1500 dollars extra taxes will break families earning 30000 a year: people and especially families have fixed expenditures needed to survive. After other taxes, rent, food, … there is usually nothing left at the end of the month. Where are these people going to save 1500 dollars? So don’t look at it as 1500 out of 30000, look at it as taking 1500 dollars from someone who has 0 dollars left.
Edit to add: that 1500 is not total taxes, it’s extra taxes.
Rules of exponents.
Or maybe just real world living.
America, the home of enshittifiction!
Is this per household?
Solution: stop paying taxes.
I just started doing this for federal, not state, and I’m curious what happens.
I’ll probably owe a little extra fee at EOY, but I’m not worried about that. They’ll have to ask me for this money.
And then I’ll probably try and get a payment plan. Just deny and delay as long as I can.
Because why not?
Because a defunded IRS will track easy fish like yourself and be quicker to fine you.
I don’t care. I struggle to even find accountants willing to do my taxes, I doubt underfunded IRS is going to want to tackle that mess.
And even if they do, I’m of multiple cultures that I’m damned if I do regardless, so might as well take that extra money and do some good with it while I can.
Pay it because if you don’t pay it they might come and make you pay it? Poor argument.
I’ll pay it when I file, over time, slowly, but not from each and every check throughout the year.
Presidential!
Breaking News: trump signs into law 200% sales tax
No sales tax, currently, where I live. So I would hope that’d see some pushback.
These people have to live somewhere. Why is nobody killing them?
Americans are brainwashed with an ideology of nonviolence
The population has been made isolated at the community level. There are very few local groups doing any reaction at all to this.
And violent reactions which are successful are a group action; it’s very seldom an individual, in any era of history, changed the politics by themselves.
And as long as there are no impromptu gatherings of significant frequency, there will be very little violence.
The internet is not a replacement for community driven change which powers all social and political movements, peaceful or not.
The turning point, if there is one, will be lots of local meetings by the thousands , and not until then. No matter how violent or passive the individuals be
Americans won’t form violent groups because they’re trapped in the mind prison of nonviolence. They think violence is wrong.
There is still a lot of violent potential in all this population, it just needs to be nurtured by a working grassroots movement. And that is broken. Just like you can drive a car with a working motor, that has a busted axle; you cannot lead violent people to do things if there is no place to hook up or meet in person.
This applies to the people who oppose you as much as you, and I mean anyone. So, the current situation is sort of a stabilizing force at the moment
It’s because it IS wrong. Animals resort to violence when they don’t get their way.
Don’t kid yourself, you’re pro-violence if you’re okay with how the system is now.
Where in what I said did you interpret that I was okay with how the system is?
The allied soldiers who killed the nazi soldiers are… doing something wrong?
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Nice whatabout. Not entertaining it.
BULLSHIT
Profound! As was the last time you said the exact same thing.
Maybe it’s because we’re not animals. Had half of this country been educated enough to see what was coming- we wouldn’t be in this mess. Violence will only make it worse.
strange though that rich educated billionaires are fine using violence through the state to oppress citizens
Did I say that was fine?
In a game theory situation, One actor that obeys laws vs. another that doesn’t tends to eliminate the one that does obeys laws.
so even hypothetically, we can’t take the high road as it leads to a cliff.
and don’t be so naive to think the world peace and order we enjoy wasn’t paid for with blood of our ancestors. The rules you hold dearly now didn’t protect your ancestors when they sought to do what’s right.
Violence is the hallmark of peace.
Have fun storming the castle when people can’t even organize protests of any significance.
That is a completely different problem.
Who’s not an animal? Because humans are definitely classified as animals. We’re definitely not plants.
Animals as in- barbaric knuckle-dragging cavemen than can’t handle negativity and adversity without harming others.
You’re virtue signaling and need to do some deep searching and a review of human history. Be better.
Yeah… being nonviolent absolutely is a virtue. A pretty simple one at that. So I’m hoping the signal is loud and clear. And human history? Really? We used to use the practice of trepanning to release evil spirits from one’s head. Doctors once prescribed cigarettes to patients. History is a bad example to use to justify the present.
And lastly, you have the nerve to tell me to be better while you try and justify acts of violence?
Be better indeed- and evolve while you’re at it.
Yeah, I forgot how this country became liberated in the first place.
Yeah… it’s not 1775 anymore. Did you not know this?
BULLSHIT
Such an astute point! Care to elaborate?
IMAGINE GIVING A FUCK ABOUT $36K WHEN YOU MAKE NEARLY $1 MILLION / YR!!!
Imagine not pursuing all your hobbies and instead opressing minorities and waging war all around the world when you make 100 billion a year. First person to say that is elons interest, and that’s valid, can stand in line behind him at the guillotine.
If I had that kind of money, you’d never hear about me again. I’d just stay quiet and fund a whole lot of charities and scholarships.
You would never get that rich in the first place because you aren’t a sociopath.
I mean… you could win a lottery…
low odds but still… 😉
Afraid there’s no 100 billion annually cash for life lottery . . . Even if there was a 100 million per year prize, youd need to live for 1000 more years to accumulate 100bn. So, sociopathy (together with nepotism and luck) seems like the only viable path…
Don’t worry. It’ll trickle down… eventually… The cash might be a bit red though… /j
I feel like these chuds don’t know the difference between trickle and dangle.
This is dangle down economics, where the less well off are dependent on voluntary charity from the better off.
It’s like Robin Hood, but in reverse…
Dennis Moore?
Hobin Rood or Nibor Dooh?
Hood Robbin’ was right there
Sey Yes
Why don’t we just charge the homeless infinite tax money to support the government?
good luck, do you need any pitchforks or are you bringing your own
Bug report filed.
Closing, will not fix
PEBKAC. Known issue.
I am unironically working on an idea where negative money is a normal feature of an Economy which is needs first. Production based on the requirement to fill those needs. There would be no tax money required to support a government and the negative balance is simply a transparent measurement of the cost of life.
It would eliminate the concept of purchasing power. And i know that sounds insane on premises. Hence i am still working on it. May require more then a few pages.
Anyway don’t direct skepticism to it yet. Just know that your joke has been a real life math Problem in my head for a few days now.
Some may critique you, but I think it’s important to dream. All the best ideas started as dreams.
Your idea is kind of sound, but it really depends on how you implement the “negative” money.
You can just choose not to pay off the public debt. That will, effectively, make you print infinite money, and we all know how much corpos like to use and very much abuse inflation. Your idea’d fall quick.
An alternative is to charge the provider for the service they’re providing, or someone with deep pockets who could. This seems much sounder of a wax to go to me. For example, if someone is building a hotel with 500 rooms, say they have to build an additional 30 apartments meant to house a 4-member family. Or, say you keep the asinine US health insurance system, but for every procedure they charge, they have to make one for free. Who they give it to is chosen by the government. This is effectively a form of “negative” taxation. Shame it’s basically a revive of the feudal-era “Wheat tax”.
😭
I just love you guys
I love basically losing a month of my income when we’re already barely getting by. Fuck this fucking shithead administration to hell with a rusty whisk.
Also you gotta factor in inflation caused by the injection of $4.5 trillion of additional rich guy wealth into the economy. So even a lot of people making over $300k are probably going to be losing out after you factor in inflation caused by others getting more.
what if we all just don’t pay taxes
200% sales tax
If you shoplift, pigs shoot you on sight and get a paid vacation.
I mean, they’re planning to gut the IRS so who would be able to come after us 🤷♀️
Gutting of the IRS is only going to impact the massive headcount needed to go after tge billionaires. They’ll still have plenty of people for the poor people.
This is what no one gets… they already avoided most rich tax frauds cause it was too expensive to fight them in court… getting poor folk is easy.
Way ahead of you.
This will be in effect next tax season I think. This tax season’s policy is already in place
For 30k, one expected to pay 7500/yr taxes, although usually that was diverted by the employer and not noticed as much (other than the standard “why is my pay 465/wk instead of 576/wk?” question).
This would knock the takehome down by ~$30/wk due to the increased withholding by the employer to cover that 1500.
And when we look at it from our comfy warm homes, it doesn’t seem like a lot. But, I can confirm from when I was working 3 jobs to support a university habit, that $30 was fucking crushing. I think that’s 2 days a week of food, when every penny is bled out of you already.
Wanna bet the GqP is looking at it like $30 is nothing, like they’re just skipping the appetizer at the clubhouse one day a week?
Don’t be silly. 30 is not even on the gop radar. No way they’re skipping an appetizer over it
