The first, and also the most futuristic techno-utopian one, is the colonisation of Mars. Elon Musk founded Space X in 2002 (Peter Thiel was the first outside investor) with the idea of re-founding humanity. It’s all there: the call to save humanity by turning it into a multi-planetary species, the desire to start from scratch without the legal constraints of Earth, and the will to break with the established order. As you can read, half-hidden, on the terms and conditions page of the Starlink service owned by Space X:

The parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities.

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    A mars colony won’t come. I just doesn’t make any sense. These billionaires simply use that vision for marketing and obfuscation of their inhumane ideas (TESCREAL).

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      I’d imagine it will come around, but not the way people think, and not for many more generations. I mean, unless we just kill this planet before we get there, which is where I’d put my money.

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          Right, Mars is so dead and hostile and far away that earth will be a much more livable habitat for humans for a long time, even if we further destroy our ecosystems here. If we can’t make it here, we can make it nowhere else.

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    Omg so just go to Mars and leave us all the fuck alone.

    These bros are so goddamn stupid, and I wouldn’t even care except they’re going to kill us all in their delusional dumbass pursuit of a technocratic AI powered utopia.

    And they’re all so fucking miserable even if they succeed they will just wind up all alone in their robotic powered biodomes wondering wtf the point of existence is bc nobody is left to stroke their dumb fucking egos.

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        I think it’s also about economic factors … the first spaceflight programs in the 60s were a huge boost to the economy, both by creating jobs and inspiring a generation of engineers. they hope that mars settlement would have similar effects, maybe on a larger scale, depending on the size of the project. which very much fits into Trump’s narrative to “bring back manufacturing to the US”.

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          Any big dump of money (Manhattan Project, Space Race, Arms Race) brings about great strides in progress. It would have been great to see a big dump of money, on the aforementioned scale, dumped into raw research.

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      Seriously. It’s like… let’s just give these guys a TV show where they can live their fantasies without any of it affecting us

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    Please let’s just send them all to mars on one of musk’s space x rockets and be done with this. Godspeed assholes

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    with the idea of re-founding humanity

    the desire to start from scratch without the legal constraints of Earth

    What they are doing is playing the old book of the nazis

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      But the Nazis didn’t actually have anywhere they thought they could go.

      If these Nazis actually think they can get to Mars and start over, I’m all for it. They can take as many supplies as they want too, no questions asked. I wish Musk and the Nazis with him the best.

      I don’t know what they expect when they get there, let alone how they expect to survive getting there, but that’s not my problem.

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    The plan is to confine those of us on Earth to a slave class, working to tirelessly fund their “idealised utopia” in their technostate cities while they commit total ecocide by strip-mining our entire planet, polluting all of our air, water and land. While we are locked away complacent with only their generative AI to bring us comfort through our neuralink brain implants. You will own nothing, every thought you have will be monitored, every idea, memory, dream, feeling, will be what you are permitted to have. This is what AI is for. Smart Technology was always supposed to make you stupid. Google Maps, so you can’t find your way out of a paper bag without it. Autocorrect so you can’t spell anymore. Spotify at max volume has made an entire generation hard of hearing without them even realising. Addicted to screens, unable to resist reading the next piece of political propaganda. Social Media and smartphones are how the Billionaire class has tricked the entire world into spying on itself for them. Do you remember Joe Rogan talking about how cool it’ll be when technology gets in your body? How no one will want it, “until you’re flying around shooting lasers out of your eyes.”? Do you remember the Cambridge Analytica leaks showing that Facebook pushed the lies and propaganda that resulted in Brexit? Google have everything you have ever logged into a search bar. They have every phone number you’ve ever owned, every photo, from every account you’ve ever had across every one of their platforms. The acceleration of climate change is completely because of Amazon.com’s effect on the global supply chain. 2 Factor authentication does not exist to protect you from hackers. It is so your phone number is always linking you personally, to every account you have.

    Did you notice after COVID how every bank machine became a smart device that runs android? One with cameras on both sides? What about how clock in machines became android tablets and they take your picture when you clock in and out. Why do they need to take your picture? Smart watches record your biometric data and send it to Apple, or Google. You can’t talk on your handset in the car but every new vehicle comes with a giant screen in the centre console that runs either IOS/Android. Every new security camera is a wifi camera which runs android. Why does a CCTV camera need to have an internet connection. Every checkout machine runs android, records your grocery list and records you, while it takes your picture and your card information. The phones are always listening always recording. Google have just bought the data from Europe, by paying the fines. That’s why they went after Germany and had Mers elected. They want to dismantle any and all privacy protections left. But why? Curtis Yarvin, mentor to JD Vance and Close personal friend of Peter Thiel already wrote about his desire to “Virtualise non-productive people as a humane alternative to genocide.” That is what they want for the rest of us, to die dehydrated and starving while we live out the rest of our lives virtually, through generative AI. My friend you don’t want them to get to Mars, AI exists to spy on everything you do and to silence dissent. So they can easily search the gargantuan database they have collected on all of humanity by saying “Hey Gemini/Grok/DuckAI/Leo/Copilot etc. Is anyone out there expressing dissatisfaction with the regime?”

    Maybe I’m just being silly. I mean, it’s not like they have the exact co-ordinates of every man-made above ground structure in the world. Oh wait, that’s Google Earth. By the way, did you know Google developed none of these technologies? They made their money selling your information to advertisers then purchased every emerging innovative company they could, rebranded it as Google and added spyware. All of the far-right groups that emerged after COVID are funded by Big Tech and they all have the same names. America First, Britain First, Ireland First, Francais Premier. There are no removeds coming for your kids , there are no dangerous, mentally-ill migrants eating cats and dogs. But they repeat that message over and over, whilst ensuring immigration remains high. The REAL reason everything is so expensive. Why we can’t afford housing, or food. The thing that is driving inflation is all because of wealth inequality. If I purchase from Amazon.ca from a canadian retailer. Canada sees no tax. Because, for the purposes of that transaction Amazon is in Sweden. Any transaction to Meta and countries see no tax, because for that purpose Meta are in Ireland. These companies collect money across every denomination from every country on Earth and they pay NO TAX. None of it returns to circulation. This forces the central banks of every nation to print more money which drives up inflation. Creating Further poverty, homelessness and enslaving us to their propaganda. This is why Elon Musk said a “Single World Government” would destroy society at the world economic forum. Because if we banded together as nations and said no more we could demand that these companies pay taxes back into the economies they steal from. We need to Tax Wealth, not work. If we were wise, we’d all install linux. divest ourselves from all of their properties, reject AI and buy flip phones. We have the choice to stop, we do not have to obey.

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      The biggest answer to all this is to unite:

      Uniting in getting people onto better alternatives for platforms/apps/websites:

      Linux Mint, Pop!_OS, Fedora Workstation

      iodeOS, & BraxOS

      Bluesky, & Mastodon

      Voyager for Lemmy

      PeerTube

      Flashes

      Spark

      Revolt Matrix via Element app FUTO Apps

      Fossify Apps

      Proton Apps OpenVPN CCTV Cameras sold that actually value privacy Linux on TV’s/Phones (PostmarketOS)/Cars/tablets too Etc etc etc etc etc.

      Supporting any and all real projects that uplift humanity. Open-Source Community-Made Software and Hardware, Unionized-Cooperatives, Credit Unions, etc etc etc. Always building towards better and never anything less than that

      And much more:

      Uniting in getting other people onto best practices to be better off online and in-person

      Uniting in getting them on much better news sources

      Uniting in getting them to take action, & collaborate together consistently in large and small groups with different groups focused on different issues. Everyone is flip flopping between problems too much. We need focused groups on each problem

      Uniting locally, statewide, nationally, & internationally. We are all stronger together. We must all treat each other as true allies, & actually build out in every way we can. Having a couple focused groups per issue will help so much

      (Also please add some line breaks to your paragraphs)

      P.S. Is there any way I can collaborate with you?

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        lol, “fedora”. yes, pick a distro that’s owned by the same company that thought it was ok to design serial numbers for Jews.

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      Or, if you decide you MUST use corporate social media, put it behind a secure web browser and isolate your use to only social media.

      I can’t be sure it works 100%. I can just hope Brave and Google have competing interests for me.

      But best to stop patronizing those platforms as best you can.

      What if anything do you do to try to mitigate it?

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        Linux laptop, personal vpn configured using OpenVPN and the unending drive for revenge. For the lifetime that was facsimiled and stolen from me through manufactured consent.

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      Would love to know what you think of iodeOS, & BraxOS (Brax 3 Phone)

      You got spot on on the head

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    Sweet. Build the ship, cram all the nazi aristocrats in, and bon voyage. Let us know how “re-founding of humanity” goes.

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        They aren’t gonna leave until it’s untenable here for them.

        Which, btw, i’m not sure about it. If you’re a company and only thinking about profits, you don’t care whether the old mine is maximally exploited. Even if it is still profitable, you’d rather change to a new mine because it’s more profitable.

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    So his ultimate recommendations are “fight hypernormalism by dissassociating with the algorithm, and strengthen leftist democracy”

    Democracy, as implemented, does absolutely suck. Crypto currencies are great vehicles for “liquid democracy” (you have priviledge to vote on every issue, or to delegate and take back delegation, to anyone else, and no elections are ever needed). UBI based on crypto currency analysis for deserving UBI (spending on local businesses or rent or property purchases), and other proofs of residence/existence, can work in liquid democracy if government is assured to not hate you. High income taxes and density weighted property taxes, can fund a centrist UBI. Sales taxes added with UBI, to make UBI higher, is ok too. High income taxes, make job creation programs that produce useful benefits to the community worth it in not over privatizing success as a privilege for the successful.

    A major issue in getting Trump to allow bids on national land for techno-fascist cities is that whole states or counties could bid for their own federal tax free/arrangement secession. Communal style vs unlikely fascist overlord style bids. Puzzle question: would Trump allow blue counties to leave or red counties?

    Liquid democracy and UBI/freedom dividends is only acceptable future of society. If Trump allows for independent of US cities bids on public lands, as a tax shelter from US scheme, there is still opportunity for real utopia to bid on such lands. And having high internal tax rates to fund UBI would certainly attract more people than techno fascist winning bid cities.

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      No quarter for delusional tech bros that live in the dreamland of “corpos will totally do the right thing with no laws or regulations to stop them cuz free market iz magic”

      Go kiss moldbug’s feet for me, bootlicker

      I’m sure the fascist corpo states would NEEEvvvEERRRrr go to war. Everything’s too perfect in that world, right?

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        You are taking position that democracy is perfect for how much Republicans and Zionism controls our lives the exact right amount, or we would have had the perfect amount under Harris, Biden, HRC, and Obama. Including Obama as neocon zionazi in that list, for giving top 2 jobs to the most neocon Republicans with a D on them. Our system is complete tyrannical shit, that requires raising $Bs. It is not freedom to be forced into participating in a corrupt system, and when the system is so divisive, the right answer of session lets “both” sides be free from the other.

        Our system gives the winning side fascist power, even when little to nothing other than war happens under Democrats. That “tech bros” want a scheme for even less taxes, doesn’t mean you can’t use the same scheme to escape tyranny and form the society you want.

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    Musk is literally a fucking Bond villain (specifically, the guy from Moonraker).

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    I really hope they take as many people as they can. Really.

    And I hope they all take the most efficient path to Mars, rather than the fastest. And I hope they send them all in a very short time period, and Musk never bothers to read anything about the hazard of traveling in space outside of our magnetosphere.

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      I really don’t like to be the “well acktschually” guy but the major constraint for a mars settlement is the availability of water. mars is inhabitable (with the help of technology ofc) wherever there is water, probably it in the form of ice underground. Various research missions are currently mapping that out. Here’s a map from around 2000:

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    Executive order establishing the next deportations going to a new Martian “enrichment center” in 3… 2… 1…

    Given their inclinations, I suspect alt-speak for slavery to be the next contestant on “What’s hot” on Xitter