I just posted the below as a comment but I figured I’d start a thread, too, because I’m curious and I feel like a week of obsessive news reading hasn’t really shed any clarity on anything.

Now that China has refused to back down from Trump’s escalation, I’m wondering how Trump is going to wiggle out of this one. He can announce a 90 day pause with some lie about how China begged him to come to the table to save face domestically, but that maneuver might not actually bring China to negotiations. China seems to be in “never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake” mode and I don’t see them responding to something like a temporary pause.

The pro tariff crowd seems to be thinking that China will go into a recession before the US does, so the US will win the game of chicken, but China probably has more options for responding to a recession, especially given the fact that the government isn’t a bunch of idiotic, bumbling aristocrats and the flight from the US bond market has continued. No one is going to want to lend us the money it’ll take to weather a serious downturn given the fact that we’re run by crazy people.

So, assuming Trump is made to see the warning lights again, what does he ask for? He has jiu-jitsu’d himself into a no-win position because reshoring all of the manufacturing that left four decades ago is a nonstarter. I guess he could demand that China agrees to import a certain amount of US goods to lower the trade deficit, but they made that offer last time and then immediately ignored it because why wouldn’t they? It’s unenforceable because any retaliatory action the US could take brings us right back here. So what is a non-idiotic offer to China to get talks started? What will their opening demands be?

  • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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    23 days ago

    I guess one path out of this is Acting President Vance sweatily walking back his “peasants” comment as Trump winds up in the hospital suffering from a mysterious heart condition, but the money people seem to be comfortable profiting from the chaos for the moment.

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      23 days ago

      I guess one path out of this is Acting President Vance sweatily walking back his “peasants” comment

      He would never do that. Americans already believe that Chinese people are subhuman, unthinking communist masses. Also people like Vance of have no concept of humility, only a smug superiority complex.

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        23 days ago

        It wouldn’t surprise me if the peasants comment was an intentional one. This way he gets to tell the chuds that anything China does is because they are ‘too sensitive about a little joke’ and woke just like the democrats and they are working together to take away your beef

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          23 days ago

          Unless he got a phone call saying that the heart attack gun would hit him next unless he fixed things.

          The headline:

          Havana Syndrome Targets Vice President JD Vance: Will the Communist Cuban Superweapon ever Stop?