The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.
I guess the C in DNC stands for Corporation. The corporation doesn’t like when underlings call them out on their bullshit
It mostly stands for ‘Cunts’ at this point cause that’s what most of them are.
Fucking moderates, man. We’re slowly walking towards some dumb, horrifying shit.
Its legal name as used in court documents is the “DNC Services Corp”
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca11/17-14194/17-14194-2019-10-28.html
I guess the C in DNC stands for Corporation.
Or simply Corruption.
I admire Hogg for trying to change things from the inside, as it were, but the DNC is definitely complicit in our current slide into authoritarianism. Until they wake up and embrace the progressive movement championed by Bernie and AOC, I have little hope for the mainstream democratic party
The DNC is the primary reason we live under an authoritarian manbaby, Hogg isn’t wrong
We can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.
There needs to be an age and income bracket limit for people in government service, these rich geriatric fucks are going to get us all killed.
We can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.
Holy shit, yes! I’d take it a step further and say “we can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to anyone pushing us to be an actual opposition”. Ten democrats joined the republicans in voting to censure Al Green for having the absolute audacity to yell at the guy shredding the constitution instead of sitting quietly until leaving quietly while wearing a #resist shirt.
We can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.
Elder liberals telling younger voters/activists to STFU and get in line, then blaming them when turnout sags and conservative democrats lose purple seats, is the tragedy of the modern era.
I think the primary reason is all of the fascists, but sure neoliberalism and inevitable decline etc
Well, democrats can change the latter.
I suppose they tried to change the former by trying to appeal to fascists.
Certainly one of the reasons, but I don’t think it’s the primary one. 'Murica having so many places with a culture that can be summed up as “extremely individualistic and patriotic xenophobes” is what I’d blame first.
Trump only got 30% of possible voters, it isn’t that MAGA outnumbers sane people
It’s that a ton of progressives just decided not to vote this year
The DNC is only another wing of the fascist corporatocracy /Kleptocracy /plutocracy their only function is to protect the capitalis that keeps them in power.
2016 primaries were awful. DNC super delegates kept Sanders out, showing the worst aspects of super delegates. Establishment GOP couldn’t keep Trump out, showing the worst aspects of a lack of super delegates.
That single act doomed us. Bernie would have smoked trump so hard his kids would have changed their name
The supreme court picking George Bush as the winner over Al Gore doomed us.
Failing Reconstruction doomed us.
The first election I ever voted in and I was from South Florida at the time.
I was one of the votes discarded due to ‘hanging chads’
Cynicism began early in me
Nixon not hanging from a noose caused the split in the timeline. His pardon happened around the time when Bernstein Bearenstein bears happened.
Treason. nixon did it, so reagan was like: shit this works.
That is why I get pissed off at the people who blame nonvoters for Trump and say blue no matter who. No. That kind of thinking it’s what lead down this path in the first place. You don’t keep participating in a corrupt system hoping it will get better. You destroy the system
Nah, that’s probably the only thing I applaud the RNC for. It was very clear that Trump was not their choice, but when their voters spoke, the RNC shrugged and said “alright, let’s party.” Where the DNC endlessly schemes and plots and weasels its way into running the footgun. Democrat voters groan “no, not the footgun again! What the fuck are you doing?!” And the DNC says “look, you don’t understand, it’s the footgun’s turn, they’ve earned it. We just need to compromise and blow our legs off one last time. Now is just not the right time to not blow our legs off. Americans just won’t vote for not blowing our legs off. And, I mean, what are they going to do? Vote for the guy with legs? Lol, lmao. Now hand me that gun.”
They argued the same thing in the NY 2016 primary case. You know… the one where 120,000 people in King’s County just randomly got bumped off voter rolls a few weeks before the primaries with no recourse for registration.
These roll Purges occurred all over the country. I got purged during the 2016 primary in California but there was still plenty of time to reenroll despite the lack of warning.
I volunteered to work at a poll and countless numbers of voters were forced to vote with provisional ballots. Which meant they would be thrown away because they weren’t registered to vote (but they had been at that location for years and were registered to vote)
Then the BoE folks all got huffy and “bristled” at the accusation there might have been foul play.
So anyway, that’s how the democrats lost me. I may vote for a dem candidate if there weren’t a complete verminous sleazeball, but i’d vote for them on the WFP line or something.
more or less the same donors as the gop, they arnt different, the only reason some of them are EVEN dems is that they are not right wing enough to be palatable to republican voters. they also make backdoor deals often, it was pretty obvious when mitch was still in control of the senate.
Okay comrade. You know that Communism is every bit as bad as Fascism and that Stalin was a mass murderer right?
Is communism in the room with you? Nobody was talking about out communism
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This whole situation is best summed up by this. If they were putting this much effort into fighting for the actual working class issues they would have won the previous election… Make of that what you will.
Democrats aren’t, and never were, a working class party
FDR?
8 hour work day? 40hr week?
It’s easy to dunk on today’s dems but please don’t write off actual history.
Clearer Reason as to the main issue:
David Hogg Into the Spotlight
Into these discussions has stormed the 25-year-old Hogg, who has positioned himself as the man capable of steering the Democrats back on course using lessons learned from their recent losses.
Hogg has criticized his own party for what he views as an alienating stance toward men, and cited the perceived obsession with cultural issues as a major factor in the Republicans’ 2024 victories.
“What I think happened last election is younger men—they would rather vote for somebody who they don’t completely agree with, they don’t feel judged by, than somebody who they do agree with, that they feel like they have to walk on eggshells around,” Hogg said during a recent appearance on Real Time with Bill Maher.
Hogg was again thrust into the center of this internal debate after his election to vice chair was deemed to have violated DNC bylaws which encourage gender parity among the party leadership. DNC member Kalyn Free, who lost to Hogg in February and brought the challenge against his victory, said that the committee improperly tallied votes and failed “to distinguish between gender categories in a meaningful way.” In doing so, she argued, it “violated its own charter and bylaws, undermining both fairness and gender diversity.”
To some, this seemed like irony—the party voiding Hogg’s election based on gender-based requirements, after he had criticized it for an overt focus on gender issues. To Hogg it also sniffed of retribution for his wider attempt to recalibrate the Democrats’ focus and party makeup.
Source: https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-dnc-election-david-hogg-2072004
Proving him right, by doing more to stop him from running than they’re doing to stop the fascist takeover
Well technically it’s true that DNC are following protocol. Even if Hogg wasn’t running challengers to his own party and insulting them publicly, the DNC would still probably be holding the party leadership chair special election later this year.
They treat dick cheney better than they treat David Hogg.
This is one of those things where they’re following the letter of the law, but I’m 80% sure that they’re only doing so because it suits them.
It’s technically not law because the DNC is a private institution, but it is written down as institution policy, so yes.
They are a corporation. They don’t owe anyone dick. They said as much last time they were in court for rat fucking Bernie.
[Indeed, Hogg’s PAC, Leaders We Deserve, recently announced an initiative to fund young primary challengers in Democratic races.]
Hey that is pretty cool. We need lots more people like Hogg and AOC and Sanders.
This sums up my feelings about the fate of the Democratic party.
Trump is on a mission to crash our economy, disappear people without due process, and participate in flagrant public corruption — and voters still trust him more than Democrats,” Hogg said in his statement. “That is a massive indictment of our party.”
Thats a damning statement
It’s damned accurate.
I trust Trump to be trump. I don’t trust the DNC to calculate a tip
He’s right. There’s no two ways about it, and I think it’s nuts that you’ve got DNC enjoyers out here basically being like “okay, but you’re being stupid, I swear if we just ran Hillary/Biden ticket in '28 and campaigned on only some tax cuts for billionaires and only partial suspension of Habeus Corpus, we’d win”
Its a double damning statement.
- how brainwashed and hateful US voters are
- how utterly useless the DNC are at combating it
Behead all of them.
First, they came for all the motherfucking politicans. Then they came for the lobbyists, then the CEOs and billionaires and the propagandists and the corrupt judges. And if they haven’t been beheaded yet, they had peace happily ever after!
Finally! The DNC is finally taking action against the…oh never mind.
You cannot reform the party. Either it changes you, or they have you removed.
Yes, the Democrats occupy and monopolize the space for a leftist party. That does not mean the Democrats are leftist, nor ever will be.
I think there’s plenty of Americans that are just fucking sick of both parties and government overreach even if they don’t agree on all left vs right issues.
How about we finally start working towards a 3rd party? All these fucks that scammed Americans by talking about removing unnecessary regulations literally only removed the necessary ones and created some new ones in addition. I vote civil libertarian. Our slogan can be just respect civil rights and liberties, and stay the fuck out of everyone else’s business.
Can’t do shit with the winner takes all, first past the post abomination that is the US system. We need hundreds more senators, absolute defeat of gerrymandering, a dozen more sc justices, ranked choice and the abolishment of the electoral college.
How about we start with a just few 3rd party congressmen? That can’t be too hard, right? 3 or 4 congressmen not beholden to either party. I’m sure there’s at least a couple districts out there that the majority could be swayed if enough focus was put on them.
Then we elect a few more.
Then maybe a senator.
Now suddenly this 3rd party starts getting some attention. It’s still by no means a majority, but that’s enough congressional votes to give them a seat at the table. When votes are so split and close these days, even a small number of votes can throw things out of order. Demands can start being made.
I’m with you on ranked choice, gerrymandering, and electoral college, but I don’t really know how adding more government or senators or SC judges really fixes anything in the long term.
I think the people need to be given more power not the government.
For example, when any government official violates their sworn duties, that should be a much bigger deal than it is. we need to do a better job of holding people’s feet to the fire. When Alito flew that flag on Jan 6, that should have been an automatic chance for the people of this country to schedule a vote and demand his removal. This SC justice for life shit needs some stipulations.
Part of the appeal for more sc justices/more house of rep members, etc is twofold:
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It reduces an individual lawmaker’s power and (in the house of rep’s case) makes an individual rep much easier for the public to pressure as they will be beholden to fewer constituents per rep (less constituents, the less support you need in order to rally people to oust the incumbent).
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It makes corrupting the government with money a little bit harder: more reps = more people you need to pay off, and it’s not like every additional vote you need only costs $1 or smth, we’re talking you need to get everyone enough money to keep them on board, which could be an extra couple million/billion than corrupting people now.
That being said: you’re right, we need more than just that. We need avenues to hold votes of non-confidence (which will both allow us to get rid of bad/not helpful public servants, and also force politicians to stop straight-up lying on the stump). We need to institute public funding of elections to keep things both balanced and less-easily corrupted. We need to end gerrymandering. We need term limits.
You’re right, but they said senators, not house reps, for a reason. I have to infer they want hundreds more senators in conjunction with proportional representation being introduced to the Senate. Right now it’s two Senators per state which makes absolutely no sense on any level. The will of less than a million people in Wyoming is equal to the will of multiple millions in other states.
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Multiparty system does not work. We should just eliminate parties 100%.
Maybe then I can vote for someone who has a chance of winning, because if they have a R or D next to their name now I will not vote for them
How about we finally start working towards a 3rd party?
What do you mean “finally”? People have been trying that over and over and failing for over 100 years. It would be great to have a multiparty system, but there are unintended structural forces in place that will always prevent that. None of us alive today created this system. We are all stuck with it just like you. But ignoring reality just makes someone into a lifetime loser. There is nothing you can gain by making yourself into a lifetime loser.
But ignoring reality just makes someone into a lifetime loser. There is nothing you can gain by making yourself into a lifetime loser.
He says, in a thread about how the party is so devoted to the losing strategy of pandering right and punching left that it’s trying to oust its own vice chair.
As far as I’m aware, most 3rd parties in the U.S. have been some kind of offshoot of the 2 party system rather than an actual uprising of We the People are tired of being led by losers. We all agree on some very basic shit and this other stuff has been a distraction that led us to this point so we could be divided and conquered…
Let’s agree to the basic shit, revolt against these dickheads and rebuild something better as Americans.
Because the parties aren’t the main problem. The entire system they’ve built is the problem.
We don’t need reform. We need revolution. The only real purpose of our involvement in the electoral system at this point is recruitment, and showing people that the system cannot be reformed. I agree we should continue to push third parties and try to create energetic campaigns behind them, with the primary goal being to force the parties to rig it and show their hand.
I think it depends what you mean by revolution, bc DOGE/Yarvin/Thiel and the Heritage Foundation believe what they’re doing is revolution, but really it’s just removing protections for people and creating new regulations that cement their power grab.
They also will scream non stop what they’re doing is to increase transparency, but it’s actually just distracting people by pointing the finger at others and hiding what they’re really doing in the shadows
It’s what the Heritage Foundation did in Russia in the early 90s. Removing protections bc you think they’re inefficient only allows the people they were protecting you from to swoop in and take control just like they were hoping for
I’m speaking of a socialist revolution. Not a fascist takeover.
I don’t care what they want to call it. “Revolutions” serve people. Not demagogues.
I’m speaking of a socialist revolution. Not a fascist takeover.
So a Communist takeover. Not much difference in that and a fascist takeover.
“Revolutions” serve people.
Then how come the Russian revolution and the Iranian revolution and the Chinese revolution all killed millions of people much of whom were selected randomly? Why would an unaccountable government that doesn’t allow people to chose their own leaders be more likely rather than far less likely to “serve people”
ADAB?
ADAR
All Democrats Are Republicans
All Democrats Are Republicans
You mean except for the 100% of Dems who vote against the GOP’s gigantic tax cuts for billionaires?
All Communists are Fascists too.
I wouldn’t say “all” (but I wouldn’t spend too much time arguing against someone who does).
The organization is completely corrupt, but I think a lot of individual Dems sincerely care about people
I’d say that’s true of cops too, but the point of ACAB is that participation in a corrupt system prevents individual virtue
“leftist” is not a synonym for “radical” or “Communist”. “leftist” covers the entire spectrum of liberal-ultraliberal-radical. You are not going to get people to become Communists/Stalinists by redefining words no matter how hard you try. Lenin and Stalin’s biggest victims were the other leftwing socialist political parties, not the rightwing capitalists.
You do realize the irony of telling someone else they cannot define a word while you simultaneously define it. You do realize that, right?
…but you can tell someone they have wrongly defined something while giving them the correct definition. Which is what happened…
You do realize the meanings of words are easily found in the dictionary right?
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/leftist
leftist
noun
- a person whose political position is liberal or radical; member of the left
adjective
- liberal or radical
These shit bags will never learn
people will apparently never learn democrats are controlled opposition
But you gotta vote every 4 years for the people who actively hate you and do nothing about Trump!!! How else are people going to be saved?!
democrats are controlled opposition
So the people in control want to raise taxes on billionaires and/or corporations like the last 3 Dem presidents did? I don’t think so.
you have the numbers on it? i really doubt they really disturbed profits in a significant manner.
and when they do they grant some government money to them. elon musk is a prime example but there are more.
People will never learn if they can’t make it to the second paragraph:
As a result of a challenge from Kalyn Free, a losing candidate in the election, the committee decided that the election was not conducted properly and that it violated the DNC’s gender parity rules. If the full body of the DNC rules the same way, it will force Hogg and fellow Vice Chair Malcolm Kenyatta to run for election again later this year.
The old DNC ran a ahitty vice election that broke its own rules.
The current DNC decided via comitte the best way to handle it was to redo the vote. Which is not a big deal for the DNC.
Like, what would you prefer the current DNC do in this scenario?
I mean it’s clearly just a pretext. We don’t have to pretend to believe their bullshit reasoning.
Bro the Dallas Mavs had a 1.8% chance to win the draft last night.
1.8%.
I’d cut my own dick off if it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the draft wasn’t fixed in some way.
Same smell of bullshit here.
I am completely ignorant to the draft. What does “win the draft” mean?
That was a wild ride of an analogy, but I’m here for it.
And the chosen pope had an 0.3% chance. Some times, things with a chance of happening, happen.
It might be technically valid, but it’s literally being used as an excuse to get rid of him.
Ken Martin(DNC chair) has been whining about Hogg for a while. Being real upset that he’s trying to oust incumbents who refuse to do anything.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/david-hogg-disrupts-democratic-party-rcna202202
And he doubled down a few days ago: Giving Hogg an ultimatum to take a “neutrality pledge” or step down.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/10/hogg-dnc-chair-ultimatum-00340272
Hogg refused, so now they’re pulling this one out.
Like, what would you prefer the current DNC do in this scenario?
They knew about it last week, before they gave him an ultimatum. Meaning they were holding it back and waiting for his response. They’re not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts and wanting to follow the rules. If that was the case, they would have gone ahead right away.
Being real upset that he’s trying to oust incumbents who refuse to do anything.
What you are saying sounds bad. But when I read your actual link, it does not sound bad at all.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/david-hogg-disrupts-democratic-party-rcna202202
[“Let me be unequivocal: No DNC officer should ever attempt to influence the outcome of a primary election, whether on behalf of an incumbent or a challenger,” DNC Chair Ken Martin said on a media call. "Voters should decide who our primary nominees are, not DNC leadership.]
I don’t like Ken Martin and I think Hogg is great, but what Martin is saying here are the precise words that every DNC chairman should be saying. I would not want Martin to change one single word of that statement.
It might be technically valid,
It’s literally valid…
The old DNC was outright corrupt if we’re being honest. Completely inept if we’re giving them the best plausible view.
The vice chair election didn’t follow DNC rules, it’s like 450 people, redoing it isn’t a big deal.
but it’s literally just an excuse to get rid of him
This process was started almost immediately after the vice chair election, before Hogg had made any public comments as vice chair.
What result would you prefer though?
Do you want the results to stand even though it was a flawed primary ran by the same people who saved Hillary/Biden/Kamala down our throats the last 3 elections?
The same people that abandoned Obama when he beat Hillary?
You think that now that they’re finally out of power, we should get mad at the new leadership who literally hadn’t even won their elections yet when this shit was going on?
Just please, tell me the better path than what the DNC is taking right now I’d love to hear it.
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They knew about it last week, before they gave him an ultimatum. Meaning they were holding it back and waiting for his response. They’re not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts and wanting to follow the rules.
It…
It had to go thru committees, it hasn’t been a secret this was happening…
Please don’t be like trump and act like because you just heard of something that it just happened out of nowhere.
If that was the case, they would have gone ahead right away.
Ken Martin could have made a unilateral decision, he could throw out elections altogether and appoint people, he can do whatever he wanted.
He deferred to the committee, who suggested a redo vote that follows rules…
And Ken has personally encouraged both the vice chairs (because it literally isn’t just Hogg) to run again.
If that’s not enough for you, you don’t like democracy.
.you want a trump party that you agree with
They can redo their little procedural vote. But, if Hogg doesn’t win, we will have our list of every member that thinks the DNC exists to serve it’s members and not the public. Every one of them should be tarred and feathered, and I’m not sure I mean that as a metaphor.
Every one of them should be tarred and feathered, and I’m not sure I mean that as a metaphor.
I’m personally going to be throwing a little party in my head every time one of them is arrested, thrown into concentration camps or executed by God King Trump.
It might be technically valid,It’s literally valid…
Based on your lack of reading comprehension from that alone, I’m literally not going to bother reading the rest of your comment. Since it’s either intentional and you’re a troll, or you do not understand basic english. There is no point try to argue the political game with either type in a written context without getting into essay territory.
EDIT: For those who want to know: The phrase “It might be technically valid, but …”, does not mean it could potentially be true. It means it is true, but there are other factors involved.
So …
Rather than stick your fingers in your ears, you had to announce to everyone that you’re refusing to listen so we knew?
If that’s not enough for you, you don’t like democracy.
you want a trump party that you agree with
Looks like I was right,
I came back a few days later just to see what was going on, and I have to say: Thank you for proving my point.
You didn’t even try to find something to counter, you literally just made up quotes and fictional points to argue. That’s beyond a normal troll, that is bordering on delusional. Please seek professional help, or at the least check the batteries of your carbon monoxide detector.
It’s a matter of interpretation as to whether any rules were actually broken. The DNC has four VPs, two are women and two are men. Given the current controversy and the current crisis of confidence in Democratic leadership, the damage this will do to both the party and public opinion of DEI policies should be weighed against whatever “damage” this procedural issue allegedly did.
The fact that this issue started moving months ago is irrelevant. The decision is being made now, and nobody with a brain is going to believe that this isn’t being done, at least in part, to protect useless incumbents that don’t belong in the Democratic party.
Hogg is just another of the shitbags.
Yes, he wants to rid the party of useless incumbents, but he’s not trying to get rid of the architects of Democratic failure. He’s trying to replace a select few useless old incumbents with young corporate centrists. He wants us to conflate “young” with “progressive”, while he runs Baby Hillary and Nancy Junior.
The entire DNC - including Hogg - needs to be flushed
If Hogg were attempting to further entrench centrist hegemony, party leadership wouldn’t be opposing him.
The relationship of Hogg to the rest of the DNC is the relationship between Sprite and Starry, while the American public are asking for single malt scotch.
What the actual fuck are you talking about
He’s positioned as the oligarch’s choice for succession. He was groomed for politics by corporate centrists because he’s got a compelling backstory.
The party leadership opposes him because they see he is going to replace them rather than support them. He’s just another part of the problem.
He’s positioned as the oligarch’s choice for succession. He was groomed for politics by corporate centrists because he’s got a compelling backstory.
And now that he’s pulling a reverse Fetterman, you hate him. Centrists thought they were getting yet another corporate turd like they wanted, but he turned out to actually want to fix things they like broken.
Lipstick on a pig is all you’re getting from David Hogg. He’s not fixing anything.
So again, if he’s so far to the center, why are centrists trying to kick him out?
If everyone likes cola, why are the Pepsi fans trying to get rid of Coke?
Coke is, indeed, better than Pepsi, but we’re asking for Johnny Black.
Are you high?
You know just insulting him doesn’t mean your arguments valid right?
I’m not just insulting them. I’m making it clear that the premise of their argument sounds legitimately bonkers to a person that considers themselves a staunch progressive.
Then articulate that. Because frankly when someone makes a claim like that and all you can respond is with insults it makes me think maybe they’re right. So at this point you have less credibility than that guy does.
On a personal level I’m curious what your arguments would be because I don’t frankly know what to make of David Hogg. Other than his stance on gun control, which do not endear me to him, he seems a little bit vague to me.
This is a new discovery for people who don’t want to primary centrists. Imagine that. Insults aren’t an acceptable replacement for having actual arguments? Centrists didn’t seem to think so when they spent a whole ass year screaming abuse at anyone who didn’t love their fucking genocide.
I’ll take ramblings from a moron for 200 Alex.
Jesus fucking Christ, dude. Get off the internet for a few days.
DNC Moves to Oust David Hogg After He Says Party Isn’t Standing Up to Trump
This title feels like a bit of a gaslight considering hes being ousted for saying his party doesn’t represent their voters anymore. While not standing up to trump is part of it, its a smaller issue than the truth that the dems stopped giving a shit about their voters long ago.
God it must be so easy to be a republican, just blame everything on immigrants and do whatever you want to them, simultaneously not pissing off your rich owners, and making your dipshit voting base happy. Its a win-win scenario where only the country loses.
He’s actually being made to run for party leadership chair position later this year because of a challenger submitting that they broke party policy, which is true.
The party that successfully argued in court that they don’t have to follow their own policy suddenly become sticklers when they’re not boosting a clinton.
Which is why I will always say the DNC is what gave America Trump and people who voted and supported them when they were backing. Hillary are more complicit than the people who voted for Trump, because you don’t expect the voters to have any intelligence.
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No I’m arguing that IS the case. I feel like i was very clear on that, I think you may need to reread what i wrote.
Apologies, I was half-asleep when I wrote that.
