• AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com
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    In which historical occasion has a fascist risen to legislative power, and the rest of powers were like “nah get outta here” and just kicked them out?

    In what world do you think that not separating powers can have a more democratic outcome?

    Would you agree that China doesn’t have a fascist problem? Would you agree that China has separation of powers?

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      A fascist usually rises to the head of the executive or the military, not the legislative.

      Then again, it is not only the separation of powers that prevent fascism, but it definitely has helped slow down and stop the rise of fascism, especially in the 30s. Didn’t always work, obviously, but it is certainly better than no separation at all (I’m still waiting for you to answer my question, by the way: How would no separation of power be more effective?).

      And no, I’m not about to waste my time giving you a history lesson about how the separation of powers helps fight fascism. And I’ll remind you that it is a commonly accepted fact, and that if you wish to claim otherwise, the burden of proof is on you.

      China? Really? Yes, they have a fascist problem as they fit a lot of the traits that define fascism, and no, they have no separation of power. Is that what this is about? You’d like to see the CCP model all over the world?

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        Sure buddy, China has a lot of fascist traits, such as being extremely sensitive towards different ethnical groups in the country (go to a history museum in China and you’ll see that they have specific signs discussing the different ethnicities at the period), lifting a billion people from poverty, land redistribution, quality social services and no use of militarism for the past half century. But I guess that, for you, not getting to vote once every 4 years for the lesser evil who will regardless defund the social services and pursue austerity policy is the highest expression of anti-fascism.

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          Extremely sensitive towards different ethnic groups? You mean, only the ones they care about? Cause the Uyghurs, amongst other ethnic groups, have something to say to that

          I’m not saying they have no good ideas, and they do have good social policies… But let’s not forget that they also repress like hell, using military force if necessary, only allow one party: their own, control the media, jail political opponents (funny, that’s what you were complaining about earlier) and journalists… Guess what, all of this is a bunch of fascist traits.

          Fascism doesn’t forbid to inplement policies that are good for the population.

          And well, yeah, we’re discussing concepts that protect democracy, so I’m expecting you to show examples of democracies. Democracy implies… voting, yeah.

          You’re clearly not here in good faith, so I’ll leave you to your propaganda! Cheers! Hope you manage to move to China someday.

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            Cause the Uyghurs, amongst other ethnic groups, have something to say to that

            What do they have to say? Have you seen polls in Xinjiang or Tibet of degree of satisfaction with the government? I guarantee you they’re much higher than in Catalonia, Quebec, Scotland or any of the Chinatowns/Chicagos of the US.

            You mean, only the ones they care about?

            Come on, tell me the economic growth in Xinjiang compared to the rest of the country, and now do the same for Scotland. Give me the actual data, and then tell me, to my face, that the Chinese government doesn’t care about its ethnicities more than western governments. For fuck’s sake, have you seen the rate of incarceration of black people in the USA? About one in four black men in the USA go through the prison system in their lives.

            let’s not forget that they also repress like hell

            That’s your perspective as a westerner. My country, Spain, has political prisoners such as Carles Puigdemont, a so-called “Ley Mordaza” (mouthgag law) has been implemented for 15 years against protestors, and if you go to the USA they have masked agents kidnapping people, putting them in unmarked vans and deporting them. I seriously don’t think china is significantly more repressive than that. Unless you’re willing to concede that Spain and the USA are fascist, why would you say that for China?

            only allow one party

            Then why are there multiple parties in the National People’s Congress and its standing body the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress?

            jail political opponents

            Again, a strategy used all over the west.