I’ve not checked the legitimacy of the photo, but the premise is important to note
When Margaret Atwood wrote the Handmaids Tale she made sure not to include anything that hadn’t actually happened in recorded history. A lot of plot points were taken from this situation.
Wow. I didn’t know that.
I can’t find the interview where she speaks in depth about Iran, it was important for the novel because it was a situation where women experienced going from modern equality to having absolutely no rights.
In this interview she briefly mentions Ayatollah Khomeini (the leader of the Iranian Revolution that created a theocracy and removed women’s rights), but she’s going over dozens of newspaper clippings of other events that inspired the story.
That was a nice read. Now i’m interested in checking out the series.
It was just one novel.
Later: scuse me turns out there was a 2019 followup I didn’t hear about!!
The testaments is amazing I highly recommend it!
The TV show isnt as good as the books
I am from Iran. whatever point you want to make about Iran with Pahlavi dictatorship, this aint it.
the parliament in Pahlavi era was literary just rubber stamp the king orders.
when shah (king) came back with help of CIA it reversed all the mashroote (conditional monarchy) progress and became a absolute dictatorship.
Iranian women condition are way better now than under Pahlavi (outside of dress code laws).
sorry to hear about trump fucking up your rights.
Worth pointing out, these photos you see of women in pre-revolutionary Iran are a very tiny percentage of urban, professional, women of the ruling class at the time. These photos are not universally representative of women’s lives in Iran in that period
Excellent point. You could say the same thing about places like Dubai and Saudi Arabia.
And some rural places in America.
Society does the oppression before the government does. Anywhere religion is used to oppress women’s rights.
Yeah exactly. If there was no fertile ground for religious conservatism an Islamic theocracy would have never been able to form in Iran.
People do this with Afghanistan too they show those photos of the elite urbanites and pretend like the country was somehow a progressive haven in the desert. But in reality 99% of the people lived in rural communities in poverty where religion dictated their lives. They knew very well that the elites in the cities were oppressing them. It wasn’t hard for the Taliban to rally support for their fight against the elites and Western influence.
Or, you know, getting stoned in public, or never having equal rights in cases of rape or infidelity.
Not saying it was better under Pahlavi, but it certainly is not equal now.
in my whole life living in iran the only stoning I saw was on a American drama movie about stoning a woman in Iran.
“equal rights in cases of rape” ?? what? you know Iran has one of the harshest punishment for rape which unfortunately they only define as rape of women (not men). so maybe you are a mens’ rights activist in iran??
It’s estimated stoning isn’t used that much ( if at all anymore), but there’s an interesting inequality about it too
Individuals sentenced to stoning are placed in a stoning pit, buried to the neck (women) or waist (men), and others hurl stones at them until they escape the stoning pit, are incapacitated, or are killed. Because men (unlike women) are only buried to the waist, men occasionally do escape the stoning pit, which terminates the penalty.
Mohammad-Javad Larijani, chief of Iran’s Human Rights Council (in 2010), rejected international condemnations of stoning, saying that, “in the eyes of some people, stoning is a lesser punishment than execution because there is a chance you should survive.”[66] However, there are at least two newspaper reports of women managing to pull themselves out of their hole while being stoned, but being killed nonetheless after being forced back into the hole.
Overall death penalty seems to be really popular in Iran, estimated to be the biggest death penalty country per capita. And no wonder when you look at the offenses that merit death penalty
Death sentences in Iran are, in theory, legal for a variety of crimes, such as armed robbery, treason, espionage, murder, certain military offenses, drug trafficking, rape, homosexuality, sodomy, sexual misconduct, incestuous relations, fornication, prostitution, plotting to overthrow the Islamic regime, political dissidence, sabotage, apostasy, blasphemy, adultery, producing and publishing pornography, burglary, recidivist consumption of alcohol, recidivist theft, rebellion, some economic crimes, kidnapping, terrorism and few others.
I am one of those that are for death penalty for some crimes.
most of what of the list you provided are not official. some of them are true and I agree with them and some of them are true and I disagree with them.
absolute majority of the death penalty in iran is for drug smuggling (not using).
when USA invaded afganistan the heroine trade boomed and wrecked a lot of families in Iran.
so the penalty is justified in the eyes of most iranians.
It does have a breakdown of some type in the article
so for example in 2022 49% for murder. this is death penalty for murder. which most countries used to have (and many still do). and in Iran (and maybe other muslim countries) there is the ghasas, which is death penalty for murder that the family of victim that request. it is not for other killing, like if you kill someone in an accident (car accident).
44% for dug crimes. it means drug smuggler (not user) which unfortunately because of Iran neighboring Afghanistan (a major drug producer) there are a lot of them.
this pressure on Iran for because of “Muh human rights” for death penalty is mostly using this number to say Iranian government is killing dissidents, which in my opinion is mostly bullshit.
this pressure even made many ordinary Iranians mad because the drug destination is mostly for EU and many Iranian border guards and police die in clashes with drug smugglers. this anger was to an extent that there was a call for government that next time EU harrased about this death penalties, Iran should just open its border and let the drug flow to EU.
“Muh human rights”
I’m not a fan of death penalty in general. And having even the possibility of death penalty for stuff such as homosexuality or dissidence is fucked up as hell, dude.
Amnesty also has this sort of things to say
Death sentences and executions continued to be imposed and carried out arbitrarily, in violation of the right to life after grossly unfair trials before Revolutionary Courts. These courts lack independence, operate under the influence of security and intelligence bodies, and routinely rely on torture-tainted forced “confessions” to issue convictions and death sentences
The use of the death penalty further disproportionately impacted Iran’s oppressed minorities, particularly those belonging to the Kurdish, Baluchi, and Afghan communities, with executions of Baluchis accounting for at least 10% of all executions while constituting only about 5% of Iran’s population.98 In particular, the number of Afghan nationals and people of Afghan origin executed in 2024 rose significantly compared to 2023, from 25 to 80, with around half executed for drug-related offences. This rise coincided with the escalation of hateful and dehumanizing language and treatment of Afghan nationals by Iranian authorities.
Iranian authorities also continued to resort to the death penalty to punish individuals who challenged, or were perceived as having challenged, the Islamic Republic of Iran establishment and its politico- religious ideologies during the Woman Life Freedom uprising of September-December 2022. In 2024, authorities executed at least two people, including a youth with a mental disability, in connection with the protests after unfair trials and based on torture-tainted “confessions”. Several others remained under sentence of death at the end of the year in connection with the protests.
Furthermore, the authorities used politically motivated charges carrying the death penalty against women human rights defenders. Women’s rights activist Sharifeh Mohammadi was sentenced to death in June 2024,101 and Kurdish humanitarian worker Pakhshan Azizi in July 2024.102
The authorities sentenced to death and executed at least four individuals who were under the age of 18 at the time of the crime; scores of others remained on death row
And because you personally never saw a stoning, you believe that they never happened?
That film was based on a book. The book was based on events that actually happened. Just a quick cursory search finds many other cases, here’s an old incomplete list: https://mehr.org/stoning_list.htm
Yes. Go ahead. Explain what’s the norm over there to the people who live there.
never said never happened.
Good thing propaganda doesn’t work on you, you might have some pretty weird ideas
Propaganda works on everyone. Especially those who think it does not.
Even if it doesn’t work on an individual, which there are ways to navigate it, it changes the discourse around the subject so much that the discourse itself has to be navigated as a politicized material condition. Campism, third positionism, apathy and disengagement are all effects of propaganda that individuals can’t do much about regardless of how resilient, critical, or educated one is.
The best defense against propaganda is getting organized, having practical discussions and doing work that centers people who are the subjects of propaganda. And then, having political debates and making decisions democratically.
So I was being sarcastic but I appreciate your clarity and directness.
My state in the US kept a brain dead woman alive to use her as an incubator. Glass houses and all.
Even the rubber stamp parliament of the Shah had less women. Ffs, women gained the right to vote only in 1967! And there are currently 17 women in the Iranian parliament. Abysmal, but still far ahead of the era in the picture. That’s not even mentioning the extremely low levels of education among women pre-revolution. Don’t fall for this kind of propaganda, there’s more to women’s rights than getting to wear mini skirts as an urban elite. Women are still fighting for equal rights in Iran, and they are still far from reaching that goal. But don’t think that they haven’t made progress since the time of the picture.
Uh huh.
How about you just stop defenfing the regimd if beatings and burhkas?
Seriously. Women’s rights were improving and evolving until the revelution, getting better by leaps and bounds
But yknow power hungry politicians use the guise of if religion to rule, control and destroy.
But go ahead. Tell me how great it is now. I wtched these events unfold. Most in this thread weren’t even alive then.
And yep it wathe pro usa crew that backed the revelution. Thst doesn’t affect what was happening in eonebs rights. The zealots were pissed about that and wanted if stopped. They stopped it.
So stop with the thinly veiled Iranian regime support.
How about you work on your reading comprehension? Oh you were there, with the ‘burkhas’?! Anyone who knows anything about Iran knows that burkhas are not a common thing in Iran, so how about you cut the crap? So the rights of women were ‘evolving’ by ‘leaps and bounds’ huh? Does that include the 37% literacy rate for women at the time of the revolution? Improvement by leaps and bounds better describes the current close to 90% rate I’d say, or perhaps the 60% of college graduates being women. Again how about you tell us where women had more rights before the revolution other than the right to show more skin? I’m all for anyone wearing anything they like, but you equate a western dress code to progress it seems. It doesn’t matter if they can read or write it seems, as long as you get to see more skin.
I clearly wrote that women are fighting for their rights and are far from reaching that goal. You interpreting that as ‘thinly veiled support’ for the regime just exposes your thinly veiled royalist sentiment. Maybe you should ask yourself why in 2025 you are still clamoring for the return of a king? If that’s the ‘progress’ you speak of, most people in Iran would reject it wholeheartedly.
You need to do two things
Stop drinking so much coffee
Learn to read.
Some free advice. STOP fighting people who aren’t repsonsible ( meaning the average Joe), that gets you no where.
I won’t be responding. Feel free to have the last word.
Not relevant to politics, but: I’ve been watching Youtube videos from Iran on the food, and holy crap does abgoosh/dizi (sp?) look incredible. I bought some dried whole limes to try making it myself but haven’t gotten around to it yet.
Iranian women condition are way better now than under Pahlavi (outside of dress code laws).
But what about during shah and early on during ayatollah? Those times seem better for a comparison than late 70’s to now
There is a “hijab = oppression” idea in here. People were bullying eastern women living in US for wearing hijab at some point.
“Womens’ rights is when we force them to dress western.”
Which is funny given that in 10 more years well all be dressing like the Bedouin due to climate change.
Mosaddegh just rubber stamped whatever the Shah wanted in your opinion?
Mosaddegh just rubber stamped whatever the Shah wanted in your opinion?
wow. a history buff you are not.
mosadegh came to power as a prime minister after mashroote (conditional and limited king) ,he nationalized the iranian oil and UK got but hurt so they asked CIA to overthrow him in a Coup d’état.
btw that was the first time in history of the CIA terrorist org that they did regime change.
after that even a little independent parliament was not tolerated by shah and it was complete sham after it. he became a complete tyrant and created one of the worst dictatorships ever.
I was gonna say that the current goverment is not even close to that level but that would be an insult to the islamis republic (even with its retardedness). even saudi dictatorship is heaven compared to shah.
you can read the books that shah’s own men wrote about this after the ran outside of iran.
please be more informed in the basic of an issue and not be fox news level “expert”
You may know some facts but you’ll never be able to convince people because you’re an insulting git.
you are mostly right. that is one of my flaws.
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I wish your reading comprehension was as good as your ad hominems.
Maybe give Mossadegh more than a sentence in a wall of text next time?
Maybe give Mossadegh more than a sentence in a wall of text next time?
I thought I was proving a point that mossadegh was before that sham parliment so your point about him rubber stamping order was meaningless.
now I see that I was not respectful enough when speaking about him and I should have written a poem about him, maybe?
if you don’t even know the order of historical events that happened , then please don’t insult me about my “reading comprehension”.
have a nice day. I am done replying to these kind of posts.
now I see that I was not respectful enough when speaking about him and I should have written a poem about him, maybe?
Or you keep doubling down on being ignorant.
Do you really think OPs foto is from the 70ties, Mr. history professor?
Do you really think the overthrow of the Mossadegh government is irrelevant to both the point OP is trying to make or the implied overall picture?
At this point Occam’s Razor points to you being disingenuous rather than ignorant TBH.
the point OP is trying to make or the implied overall picture the overthrow of mossadegh was before overthrow of pahlavi. it is not irrelevant.
OP point is retarded. they show women in miniskirt and then say wow before 1979 women where so “free”.
if you see syria and watch the propaganda and then literal theorists( recognized by the west too) there whitewashed by the west to get a tyrannical but subservient to west goverment there that can beat women and ban all alcohol and all those “freedoms” that had under bashar and you still think this retarded post are not propaganda I have no furthur point to make to you.
go watch fox news. it is better for you.
if it was not clear enough, let me say it: the OP post is retarded propaganda. and Israel level of propaganda at that.
have a nice day.
go watch fox news. it is better for you.
This may blow your mind but there’s other countries than the US. It’s crazy that I have to point this out on a post about Iran no less.
the OP post is retarded propaganda. and Israel level of propaganda at that.
No, OP is misinformed. The only (inept) propagandist here is you.
You failed to address any point whatever by anyone in this post and are incapable of anything but being insulting. Cool achievement slow clap
From 1979, it took 4 years.
In my country there’s a guy running for president who wants to revoke women’s right to vote. He is not super popular in the pools, but for some mad reason both my sisters support him.
edit: I’m keeping the typo
What is the mad reasoning? I’m curious.
“aww, but he is a nice leopard! So we’ll spoke, so handsome. He wouldn’t eat my face”
one doesn’t believe he will actually do it, the other one, idk
At a guess… propaganda?
not super popular in the pools
Now I’m imagining old ladies in swim caps treading water and talking smack
I’m keeping the typo just because your comment made me laugh, thanks, I needed it
The current secretary of defense of the US just made a post arguing for revoking women’s right to vote, among other things. The supposed leader of ‘the free world’. And the Europeans still call Trump daddy.
We’ll probably be looking at pictures of US women in a couple of decades and wondering how it could turn into a shit hole.
because the united snake and the British destroyed it’s democracy
But mostly the Americans
The entire thing started because Iran wanted to wrestle control of their oil back from British Petroleum. The British convinced the US that Iran was going to join forces with Russia.
Pretty sure the Dutch were in that too
Americans have enough black marks on our history without taking from other countries. That one kicked off because of Britain.
It’d be like the US saying it was mostly Britain regarding Afghanistan recently.
It was a joint operation with MI6 and CIA. It was British oil interest specifically that stood to gain, but attacking countries who try to nationalize their own national resources always has vigorous if not direct US support.
Also at the time, the “Imperial core” had shifted from GB to the USA since WW2. There is a ton of financial power in London to this day, and certainly back then. But the question of which nation was acting on behalf of domestic national interests and which nation was acting on behalf of international imperialist interests, even though there is often a lot of over lap such as in this case, is another very important dynamic to consider. In 1956 that was really the start of the US as an imperialist player, the Iranian coup is known as “The CIA’S first coup”.
Its really sort of an interesting time, an interregnum, where that imperial power was moving from one base to another, and the question of who was really in charge was fluid and developing in part because of this event.
But one way to determine it would be to see who was actually in charge of operation TPAJAX, and that was Kermit Roosevelt, grandson of ex president Teddy R.
The 1956 Iranian coup and learning about the US’s role, was one of the things that radicalized me and turned me into an anti-imperialist and socialist, as a young man with little education or prior interest in politics.
But that wouldnt be true.
It may have started to protect british interest, but those were also in Americas interests as well and the Americans did the lions share of the dirty work.
Obviously im not saying Britain is without blame here, but to make the obligatory Nazi comparison its like saying all the axis nations were as bad as Germany.
Don’t forget that August 28th is women’s equality day, the day that the nineteenth amendment was certified, giving women the right to vote.
Considering people don’t turn out to vote anyways; they should move it to October 28th to remind people that it wasn’t until 1974 women were allowed to get bank accounts without their husband/father thanks to the Equal Credit Opportunity Act.
I’d like to see how many women who say they’re fine losing their right to vote would also be okay with not having their own bank account.
Rofl money talks
The day single men lost their last shred of power.
Ok, but does anybody really think that women’s rights can’t get rolled back under a religious autocracy?
Right women?
If you asked 20 years ago, you would have gotten totally different answers.
Democrats
No. The person in the tweet just wanted to post a cliché “women in 1970s Iran” picture, and needed a caption to go with it.
Religious doctrination is the strongest influence towards radical acceptance of certain principles. Too bad if God was real he would hate you pieces of shits.
Have you heard of a place called Senegal? They didn’t even need fundamentalist psychopaths. They just had the IMF rewrite their laws after a bad loan and now women carry buckets of water on their heads for miles instead of attending university. (Haven’t read up on it in 20 years, could be out of date)
Are they required to do so by law?
No need to. I have national Geographics from that time showing this exact type of image.
Iran was a more progressive place in the seventies.
- 50ties
? I don’t get ig. Maybe it’s a whoosh on my end?
Iran could not be called progressive any more after the coup against the Mossadegh government in 1953.
The picture seems to be from the 60ties.
I’ll get the date on the ones I have from the seventies and compare them with the ones from the 60s
Those patterns are very seventies from what I remember. But I could be wrong years can blur a memory.
This is a picture from Afghanistan before 1970:
Lord that’s depressing
Unfortunate that it was the pro USA party that wanted to get rid of women’s rights. Unfortunate that USA has had a habit of overthrowing governments that want good things for their people. Unfortunate that social media nowadays makes it a lot cheaper to manipulate voters towards right policies, and this is happening everywhere. Fucking sucks.
a lot cheaper to manipulate voters towards right policies
Not the same for left policies?
Lots of factors makes that a silly equivalence. The left voters tends to be better informed, so it isn’t as effective. The people who are driven to hoard wealth are more likely sociopathic, and individualism and “I got mine” mentality goes hand in hand. The group that hoards wealth tends to be the group that has hoarded wealth that can be used to further make it easier to hoard wealth, which among many things, is spending money on propaganda. Consider the first statement again, which is probably the most controversial - left voters are voting so, in spite of a disproportionate amount of propaganda from private interests. All of this is backed up by statistics.
The left voters tends to be better informed
The internet also allows people to be informed cheaply. There are huge opportunities for the left.
The left doesn’t benefit billionaires who own your social media outlets and media. Why would they ever promote people to be informed or push policies to the left? It will always be easier to push to the side that enriches those who own the platforms that could elicit change i.e. it will always be easy to push politics to the right then to the left. Social media and the internet are no exception and if anything help amplify that effect.
You are on Lemmy. Why has the left not made this platform popular?
The general population will always stick to whatever is most comfortable and familiar. Even reddit was never a mainstream social media platform compared to Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. why would you think an open source federated version, that is harder to sign up for then what the general populace is used too already, would ever become popular in this time of tech illiteracy? Not to mention its lack of funding and the fact almost every big instance on the platform would defederate from any instance which had a backing from a major corporation. This platform is never going to see the same adoption rate of the major platforms out there, even if for some reason political parties on the left decided they didnt care about, bribes, campaign contributions and lobbying from corporations its just to complicated for the simple minds of the masses to join.
And yet the platform could be easier and less enshittified because it doesn’t have to generate profits, so that the general population makes the change.
I believe that it will happen in the long run but I am baffled by the low left investments. It makes me question if the left could ever hold power if they got it somehow.
This photo has some veracity to it; here’s a CBC article about one of those female parliamentarians;
You don’t need Iran to prove that. Women’s rights have already been rolled back in the US, it’s a mistake to assume it will stop here.
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