The Australien Government has made an ad about the Social Media Ban for Under-16s, and it's surprisingly honest and informative.👉 Help us keep Governments h...
Juice Media are always great, but this is excellent even by their standards. The fact that they lead with the fact that banning kids is just a patch on the real problem (which is harmful algorithms) is just bang on. Also highlighting the many beneficial things social media can do, the fact that the ban introduces major privacy risks, and the incredibly untransparent way in which it was rushed through Parliament.
I can’t believe it didn’t occur to me that what should actually be done is regulation of the algorithms.
It’s incredible that social media companies can basically give free crack to people and not have to disclose the recipe…at bare minimum behind closed doors to an ombudsman.
Of course, we are talking about the same Government that commissioned a study into problem gambling, and then completely ignored it after it came back with 31 recommendations, including the phased-in banning of gambling advertising (recommendations 16 and 26). Two and a half years later, the Government has given no response. This despite the fact that they are required by House of Representatives rules to respond within 6 months. So actually solving problems, even when they’re given a clear roadmap to how to solve the problem, doesn’t seem to be high on Albanese’s agenda.
I’m not even Australian…Canadian. I just like chiming in because somebody down there is at least trying to do things…even if it’s usually shitty things.
Up here in my province in the last decade the flood gates opened on gambling…booze…everything. The government basically says “fuck you if we raise you to be an addict…give us your money until you die so rich people can pay less taxes”.
Australia’s gambling problem is huge. We have 0.3% of the world’s population, but 18% of its poker machines. And 75% of the pokies outside of casinos. Nearly every pub, bowls club, RSL club, etc. has a room full of pokies. That’s allowed in every state except Western Australia, though it was banned in my home state until the '90s. I don’t know much about Canada, but I’ve heard there’s been a relatively recent surge in the problem of gambling over in America over the last few years. I believe it is the case that Australia led the world in allowing gambling to totally overrun professional sport, setting a template that America could follow, for the worse.
That’s horrible. We have a couple provinces that do that.
The city near where I live was hit bad by outsourcing…it was a manufacturing town back in the 80s. A few years back they brought in a giant Casino with promises of making it a tourist destination. Predictably, nobody wants to come to a town that’s an armpit…so most of the gamblers are locals.
Yeah, unless you can succeed in turning your city into the next Vegas or Macau, gambling is pretty much all negatives. We’re at a point here where I honestly wish the giant casino was the only problem we have with gambling. And the casino itself is a big enough problem even aside from app-based sports betting and ads for that. Our huge new casino opened up a year or two ago. It has its own bridge that funnels people directly from the extremely popular pedestrianised tourist/cultural area on one side of the river (if you happen to be a parent of a child who’s watched a lot of Bluey, you’d recognise Southbank from its appearances in that show, though I don’t know if they call it by that name) into the casino’s landing area. And they’ve been allowed to degrade the major riverside bike path, the city’s busiest commuter route for cyclists, into a shared path and plaza, with even further degradations regularly when they use (sorry “activate”) the area to run commercial events. So the casino is allowed to significantly degrade the entire area even for people who never have anything to do with them.
YouTube’s parent controls allowed me to set “age appropriate content” sort of(my kids are older) disabled comments, remove ads with premium. But they never allowed me to remove shorts or recommendations either for myself or my kids because they want the addiction dial set to 11. The government have made a mess of things but the companies are far from innocent. It’s a shame the govt went after age verification instead of consumer rights to disable all the crap. Very poorly advised. Big tech will come out of this stronger and more evil and will work out ways to target vulnerable people without logins.
These are unofficial workarounds for features that could be regulated if esafety had a clue and weren’t working for the industry. Google could add options in acct settings and in family link. They don’t because they make more profit by driving engagement.
Kids will now watch YouTube without logins,.lose their hand picked educational subscriptions and get lowest common denominator engagement bait on their front page. The ALP just handed kids over to the bad guys. I am furious. I will probably block YT via DNS now because the gov took my parental control away. They clearly don’t give a fuck about my kids.
For my youngest I use pipepipe on an android tablet.
No ads.
No feed / recommendations.
Just the channels I subscribe to.
The final straw with stock android apps was years ago with my eldest when it showed an add for women’s g strings in the middle of a fucking educational video about cats.
Yep. The ads are worse than the content. I am sure the government doesn’t care. They love that industry almost as much as the gambling and mining industries. I was happy to pay family premium and have some portion of the revenue go to creators though I wasn’t happy about the multiple price rises.
I would be using specialized apps if I had little kids but I gave my little kids ABC for Kids and a media library instead when they were young. They are older now and I want them to learn to be responsible media consumers with some assistance. I also want them to be able to use their settings across a wide range of devices. They have access to a large number of devices with an assortment of operating systems. A kiosk solution isn’t what I am looking for. Youtube’s family accounts and premium gave me everything apart from removing shorts and front page which I could do with browser extensions. Those last two are what should have been regulated IMO.
I was happy to pay family premium and have some portion of the revenue go to creators
Yeah same. I was a super early adopter in fact, and paid for it back when it was called YouTube Red. But then in the wake of Elsagate, YouTube cracked down on a bunch of long-established good creators, cutting off small-time creators from any revenue, and introducing stricter algorithmic checks on bigger creators. That was the last straw for me, after years of them doing the wrong thing by creators by ignoring fair use and censoring valuably content. I cut off my Red subscription then and there, and started installing adblockers.
Today, I pay for Nebula to give back to some of the best creators on the site, as well as get some exclusive and early content.
I don’t blame eSafety, to be honest. They can only do what the Parliament legislates for them to do. And Parliament has done a terrible job.
But yeah, they’re definitely unofficial workarounds. I agreed wholeheartedly with your prior comment, and just suggested these workarounds as good options you might find useful for yourself, personally. (While you’re at it, Sponsorblock, and potentially DeArrow, both of which are included as options in ReVanced or as separate browser extensions, are really great.)
I hope the search engine signin verification doesn’t make this annoying. I have no idea of the extent it affects the actual email address.
Context: An android I intended to use for Revanced requires a previous Gmail login to unlock the phone (although it’s brand new), and the sneaky workaround also hinges on the Gmail signin. (Though if done right it may not need a complete one. It depends also if it works on that phone.)
And it won’t make calls until unlocked so I can try to call from another phone with the IMEI number but if that doesn’t work… can’t use the phone.
If it’s too much of a stuff around I’ll just have to buy a secondhand unlocked android.
Juice Media are always great, but this is excellent even by their standards. The fact that they lead with the fact that banning kids is just a patch on the real problem (which is harmful algorithms) is just bang on. Also highlighting the many beneficial things social media can do, the fact that the ban introduces major privacy risks, and the incredibly untransparent way in which it was rushed through Parliament.
I can’t believe it didn’t occur to me that what should actually be done is regulation of the algorithms.
It’s incredible that social media companies can basically give free crack to people and not have to disclose the recipe…at bare minimum behind closed doors to an ombudsman.
Of course, we are talking about the same Government that commissioned a study into problem gambling, and then completely ignored it after it came back with 31 recommendations, including the phased-in banning of gambling advertising (recommendations 16 and 26). Two and a half years later, the Government has given no response. This despite the fact that they are required by House of Representatives rules to respond within 6 months. So actually solving problems, even when they’re given a clear roadmap to how to solve the problem, doesn’t seem to be high on Albanese’s agenda.
I’m not even Australian…Canadian. I just like chiming in because somebody down there is at least trying to do things…even if it’s usually shitty things.
Up here in my province in the last decade the flood gates opened on gambling…booze…everything. The government basically says “fuck you if we raise you to be an addict…give us your money until you die so rich people can pay less taxes”.
Australia’s gambling problem is huge. We have 0.3% of the world’s population, but 18% of its poker machines. And 75% of the pokies outside of casinos. Nearly every pub, bowls club, RSL club, etc. has a room full of pokies. That’s allowed in every state except Western Australia, though it was banned in my home state until the '90s. I don’t know much about Canada, but I’ve heard there’s been a relatively recent surge in the problem of gambling over in America over the last few years. I believe it is the case that Australia led the world in allowing gambling to totally overrun professional sport, setting a template that America could follow, for the worse.
That’s horrible. We have a couple provinces that do that.
The city near where I live was hit bad by outsourcing…it was a manufacturing town back in the 80s. A few years back they brought in a giant Casino with promises of making it a tourist destination. Predictably, nobody wants to come to a town that’s an armpit…so most of the gamblers are locals.
Yeah, unless you can succeed in turning your city into the next Vegas or Macau, gambling is pretty much all negatives. We’re at a point here where I honestly wish the giant casino was the only problem we have with gambling. And the casino itself is a big enough problem even aside from app-based sports betting and ads for that. Our huge new casino opened up a year or two ago. It has its own bridge that funnels people directly from the extremely popular pedestrianised tourist/cultural area on one side of the river (if you happen to be a parent of a child who’s watched a lot of Bluey, you’d recognise Southbank from its appearances in that show, though I don’t know if they call it by that name) into the casino’s landing area. And they’ve been allowed to degrade the major riverside bike path, the city’s busiest commuter route for cyclists, into a shared path and plaza, with even further degradations regularly when they use (sorry “activate”) the area to run commercial events. So the casino is allowed to significantly degrade the entire area even for people who never have anything to do with them.
YouTube’s parent controls allowed me to set “age appropriate content” sort of(my kids are older) disabled comments, remove ads with premium. But they never allowed me to remove shorts or recommendations either for myself or my kids because they want the addiction dial set to 11. The government have made a mess of things but the companies are far from innocent. It’s a shame the govt went after age verification instead of consumer rights to disable all the crap. Very poorly advised. Big tech will come out of this stronger and more evil and will work out ways to target vulnerable people without logins.
Enhancer for YouTube works on your computer. YouTube ReVanced works on Android phones, if you want these features.
These are unofficial workarounds for features that could be regulated if esafety had a clue and weren’t working for the industry. Google could add options in acct settings and in family link. They don’t because they make more profit by driving engagement.
Kids will now watch YouTube without logins,.lose their hand picked educational subscriptions and get lowest common denominator engagement bait on their front page. The ALP just handed kids over to the bad guys. I am furious. I will probably block YT via DNS now because the gov took my parental control away. They clearly don’t give a fuck about my kids.
For my youngest I use pipepipe on an android tablet.
No ads.
No feed / recommendations.
Just the channels I subscribe to.
The final straw with stock android apps was years ago with my eldest when it showed an add for women’s g strings in the middle of a fucking educational video about cats.
Yep. The ads are worse than the content. I am sure the government doesn’t care. They love that industry almost as much as the gambling and mining industries. I was happy to pay family premium and have some portion of the revenue go to creators though I wasn’t happy about the multiple price rises.
I would be using specialized apps if I had little kids but I gave my little kids ABC for Kids and a media library instead when they were young. They are older now and I want them to learn to be responsible media consumers with some assistance. I also want them to be able to use their settings across a wide range of devices. They have access to a large number of devices with an assortment of operating systems. A kiosk solution isn’t what I am looking for. Youtube’s family accounts and premium gave me everything apart from removing shorts and front page which I could do with browser extensions. Those last two are what should have been regulated IMO.
Yeah same. I was a super early adopter in fact, and paid for it back when it was called YouTube Red. But then in the wake of Elsagate, YouTube cracked down on a bunch of long-established good creators, cutting off small-time creators from any revenue, and introducing stricter algorithmic checks on bigger creators. That was the last straw for me, after years of them doing the wrong thing by creators by ignoring fair use and censoring valuably content. I cut off my Red subscription then and there, and started installing adblockers.
Today, I pay for Nebula to give back to some of the best creators on the site, as well as get some exclusive and early content.
I don’t blame eSafety, to be honest. They can only do what the Parliament legislates for them to do. And Parliament has done a terrible job.
But yeah, they’re definitely unofficial workarounds. I agreed wholeheartedly with your prior comment, and just suggested these workarounds as good options you might find useful for yourself, personally. (While you’re at it, Sponsorblock, and potentially DeArrow, both of which are included as options in ReVanced or as separate browser extensions, are really great.)
I hope the search engine signin verification doesn’t make this annoying. I have no idea of the extent it affects the actual email address.
Context: An android I intended to use for Revanced requires a previous Gmail login to unlock the phone (although it’s brand new), and the sneaky workaround also hinges on the Gmail signin. (Though if done right it may not need a complete one. It depends also if it works on that phone.)
And it won’t make calls until unlocked so I can try to call from another phone with the IMEI number but if that doesn’t work… can’t use the phone.
If it’s too much of a stuff around I’ll just have to buy a secondhand unlocked android.