I’ve seen some resources floating around including, if I’m not mistaken, a spreadsheet that adds up all the costs of everything you need.
Basically I want to create an internet coop that’s resistant to internet shutdowns and can keep running in situations where the wider internet is shut down but we still have electricity.
Resistant to shutdowns and ISP sadly don’t go well together. The state will undoubtedly have the resources to find and shut down your infrastructure just like anyone else’s.
There’s merit in decentralised networking, such as LoRA or other long-range radio standards, but they likely won’t have appeal until they’re necessary. As such, your best customers will be clandestine or oppositional orgs; hardly a lucrative market.
Not to say don’t bother, just know that the value of any sort of venture like a cooperative is the social relations to your labour, which is something that a capitalist cannot simply switch off with their command to the state.
I think the first step is become a “network engineer”. If you wouldn’t consider yourself that already then there’s your first step that should keep you busy for a while. The rest should make sense once you’ve done that.
I assume it’s a lot of stuff with BGP and other communication protocols for managing networks.
This is very fair. I have a home lab that I like to use to over engineer my home network with and run simulations on, I worked beneath a network engineer for a while as an intern, and studied for my CCNA for a while. So not a network engineer, but not completely inept either. As I said in another comment, I’m hoping to either learn enough to cobble together existing tech or learn enough to explain to myself why this is a bad idea. Either is fine.
That’s super cool!
I’m not USian but in Europe/Germany we have Freifunk and the DN42. I’m sure there will already be local initiatives if you are in a somewhat populated region. Hit up some hacker spaces or maker communities or even amateur radio people and somebody will probably point you into the right direction.
There’s a lot of neat stuff going on with wireless networking these days: LoRa, Meshtastic, Reticulum, WiFi HaLow. These are mostly pretty low bandwidth, but are good ways to build out mesh networks that can maintain local communication during broader internet shutdowns.
WiFi HaLow looks promising. We could potentially really start a mesh network pretty sparse with 2 or 3 nodes and build it out from there
I think it would be a massive project to actually make it usable for anything right now.
It seems like there is barely any hardware available for it.
Here’s some links I gathered last time I looked into it.
https://vantrontech.us/news/41
https://www.alfa.com.tw/collections/wifi-halow?page=4
https://lilygo.cc/products/t-halow
https://www.sparkfun.com/alfa-network-wifi-halow-hat.html
https://asiarf.com/product/wi-fi-halow-usb-dongle/
https://heltec.org/project/ht-hd01/
https://github.com/markqvist/Reticulum/discussions/421
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl06mkjlpXI
https://store.rokland.com/products/alfa-network-ahm27292u-ieee-802-11ah-sub-1-ghz-standalone-m-2-ngff-b-key-3042-type-linux-module
https://www.seeedstudio.com/Wio-WM6180-Wi-Fi-HaLow-mini-PCIe-Module-p-6394.html?gad_source=1
https://heltec.org/project/ht-hc01/
https://wi-fiplanet.com/understanding-ad-hoc-mode/I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I’m working on a project with it right now. It’s definitely evolving in terms of the available tech. This channel has been inspiring me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-soMNhNqEVc
Here’s another link: https://openmanet.net/#gallery
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Look at Reticulum, not an ISP but a network stack that runs on many different connections including LoRa. NomadNet is for markdown webpages and there are a few ways to message others.
two sentences for something that is certainly complex as hell.
I can’t yet prove to myself that it’s infeasible. That’s usually my goal when starting crazy projects is to learn enough to prove to myself why it can’t be done.
i noticed a lot of these resources don’t mention the cost of the numbers (IPv4, IPv6, ASN). it’s more expensive than you’d think given that it’s just numbers.
If you aren’t looking to use one of the many alternatives others suggested and want to do something traditional, look at SandyNet in Oregon and US Internet in Minnesota. Especially the former, since Sandy is a lot smaller. They’re locally created fiber networks, the former being city run, that eventually expanded into full offerings competing or replacing Xfinity, etc.
I remember posts on Reddit years ago asking similar questions too and there was one from somebody who was putting satellites on their neighbors houses and sharing their Internet that way. It was more piggybacking off of an existing ISPs business class service though, I believe. So not as resilient against downtime.
I know some people who did this, I don’t have any details but is is definitely possible
I know they did this in Cuba. I don’t know if I can find the old videos about it though
Probably full of imperialist brainworms and “Castro bad” but…
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ycv-ZIx-1-c
HaLow might be able to achieve this sort of neighborhood network but idk, I haven’t really looked into it. I suppose this is only good for an extended LAN but running an ISP covers a different aspect.
“Creating [a network] for the common good embodies the dream of the revolution.”
Doesn’t sound very anticommunist to me.
Oh nice, I just grabbed the best looking link on the subject - I didn’t watch it through and vet it before posting it.
Turns out there’s occasionally some videos on YouTube that aren’t infested by anticommunist brain worms? Well, I’ll be damned.
I mean, there is still the conceptual framing of “the government banned imports of all of a certain communication device” with the reasoning and assessment for this left totally up to inference, but otherwise it’s quite okay.
Everything exists in degrees I guess.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
This is really interesting and could be really valuable in the future, but I don’t know the first thing on the subject.
Is this something we could build together as a community? How does one get involved? What infrastructure is needed from a rando who continues? Are there security risks involved?







