The title of this post is false according to the content of the link.
the report stated, “there is no evidence for intentional or unintentional overdose on illicit, prescription, and/or over-the-counter substances.”
Naroditsky’s concentrations of methamphetamine and mitragynine, the primary active chemical in kratom, were not by themselves fatal, according to the report.
“However, the potential for the cardiovascular stimulant effects of these substances to increase the risk of cardiac arrhythmia and thus contribute to death cannot be ruled out,” according to the report.
Naroditsky had a condition known as systemic sarcoidosis that “is the underlying cause of death,”
“cannot be ruled out” != “related”
When I was leaving my house, I saw ABC News on the tv and the reporter on ABC News said that the cause of death was drug overdose and also said that it was reported by Charlotte Observer. The ABC news website is also saying it was drug overdose that caused the death. I can see that the Charlotte Observer article says something different.
Blame ABC News for reporting different information. I changed the post title to match the exact wording of the Charlotte Observer.
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You’ve posted 3 or 4 different times that that he didn’t consume meth when it literally says methampetamine in the first sentence of the article. The sentence that you are misinterpreting is that they found pills in his house which they presumed to be adderall, but it says that they found methamphetamine in his system.
Read the first sentence of the article. It says his system had methamphetamine. He consumed methamphetamine. methamphetamine = meth. they found adderall in his house. adderall is not meth.
It does bear asking by which methodology the results for “methamphetamines” were determined. GC/MS will differentiate. Other tests won’t. Something to keep in mind.
In the original post title, I had written that methamphetamine contributed to the cause of death, because multiple other sources has said that the cause of death was drug overdose. After thoroughly reading the Charlotte Observer article (Daniel lived in Charlotte), I am given the impression that the autopsy found that he had consumed methamphetamine but other factors are at play.
I am trying to be charitable about the interpretation of the article. I edited the title to say that he consumed methamphetamine without explicitly saying that it was the full cause of death.
After I edited the title, someone started saying that the article doesn’t mention methamphetamine (meth for short). That is simply not true. I am willing to concede that the autopsy did not rule out other causes of death but both articles (ABC and Charlotte) say that meth was found in his system by the autopsy.
It is possible that the methamphetamine test gave a false positive result. What reason do we have to believe that he did not consume methamphetamine? I suspect that some people do not want to believe that he consumed meth because meth is socially stigmatized. This social stigmatization even leads some people to believe that people who die from illicit drug use have deserved their fate.
My epic chessman could not have done meth, he was too smart to do meth (sarcasm). I have known people who used meth. People have consumed meth while in my presence. I was offered to consume meth and I declined.
Reagan’s War on Drugs has people believing that if you consume meth one time, then your life is over forever. Meth consumption is more common than people tend to believe. You (the reader) may know someone close to you that has consumed meth without you knowing that they have.
In my personal experience, I have observed that people who were previously prescribed amphetamines (typically for attention deficit) are more likely to consume methamphetamine. That is an anecdote. Similarly, it is often said that people who have been prescribed opiates are more likely to begin using illicit opiates such as heroine.
I do not consider methamphetamine usage to be a stain on the legacy of Daniel Naroditsky. He did not deserve to die. I consider illicit drug consumption to be a form of self-medicating. He may have had reasons that he felt he needed to do it. He appeared to be very stressed in the final video recordings.
Sidenote, Would methamphetamine be considered a “performance enhancing drug” in the sport of Chess? I am leaning towards ‘No’. There are probably Chess Players who are prescribed similar drugs such as adderall and still compete. Also in my experience with interacting with meth consumers, they tend to be more distracted than focused.
Im not reading your book. Sorry.
That’s rude but I will give you a 1 sentence summary: I don’t think that illicit drug users should be socially stigmatized.
yikes… meth is bad enough alone, i can’t imagine mixing it with other shit
I think kratom is legal in NC. Usually people take kratom as a substitute to opiates. Sometimes people take meth as a cheaper substitute to adhd medicine. It’s probably not safe to combine the 2 drugs.
the article says “probably Adderall”. where are you getting meth from?
are you like friends with the dead guy or the metaphysical concept of methamphetamine because you’re acting very personally aggrieved all up in this thread
I promise you you have better things to be doing than getting mad in this thread of all places over the accuracy of the reporting on the death of some guy
why are you trying to lawyer speak all of my comments? read the first sentence of the article. methamphetamine = meth. adderall is not methamphetamine.
Yeah you generally don’t want to combine kratom with other stuff unless you know what you’re doing. On the rare occasions I drink I’ll use it to make one drink feel like 2 or 3, but I never drink more than 2
kratom is known to decrease the effects of alcohol in most people.
Damn, really? I’ve heard and felt the opposite
See for example Evaluation of Kratom Opioid Derivatives as Potential Treatment Option for Alcohol Use Disorder and the bibliography, subsequent research etc. The NIH (or NIDA I forget) among others are funding investigation about its use in this regard. I doubt they’d be doing that if its common effect was to make alcohol more potent.
I doubt they’d be doing that if its common effect was to make alcohol more potent.
This isn’t necessarily true. It’s not uncommon to use drugs similar to the substance of abuse in the treatment of that abuse, and sometimes that even means using drugs that potentiate the substance being abused as treatment. For example, benzodiazepines have been used to treat alcohol addiction. They aren’t necessarily a very good treatment long term because alcoholics are then at risk for replacing their alcoholism with a benzo addiction. Even so, benzodiazepines are often used especially in acute cases and short term to prevent the worst symptoms of alcohol withdrawal also known as “DT’s,” they can be used for slow tapering, and sometimes even still are used long term. However benzodiazepines are well known to severely potentiate alcohol because they do a similar thing to the brain’s GABA receptors that alcohol does. Mixing the two is a sure fire way to black outs and worse.
In the case of Kratom, it can drastically reduce cravings for alcohol. But its opioid-like effects still act as a CNS depressant. Most CNS depressants will compound with one another, increasing inebriation. Kratom is an odd case though because it also has stimulant effects, but that doesn’t mean it can’t have CNS depressant properties at the same time. The size of the kratom dose can have a lot to do with whether or not the stimulant effects help cancel out some of the CNS depression.
The study you cited was done in mice, and it was using certain alkaloids found in kratom, as it says in the title, specifically opioid derivatives. Opioids are notorious for potentiating the CNS depression of alcohol, and mixing opioids with alcohol has been the cause of countless overdose deaths including high profile celebrities. I don’t think ShimmeringKoi’s experience of kratom potentiating alcohol is a fluke, instead it would be surprising if it didn’t. That doesn’t mean it isn’t helpful in long term alcohol addiction treatment, nor does it mean that at certain doses the stimulant effects of kratom can’t help to counter some of the depressant effects of alcohol, like lethargy.
the article says “probably Adderall”.
no, it says on the first sentence. adderall is a different kind of amphetamine than methamphetamine. if it were adderall in his system, the article would not say methamphetamine
“after ingesting methamphetamine and kratom”
"Naroditsky’s concentrations of methamphetamine and mitragynine, the primary active chemical in kratom, were not by themselves fatal, according to the report.
GM Sam Shankland - a Facebook post about Naroditsky
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It has now been over 2 months since the chess world lost one of the most beloved members of our community. It took quite me some time to process the loss I personally experienced, and to decide what I should share about my history with Daniel. While the two of us have had countless memories over the years that go back to when we were kids, what I want to share with the world is what I learned from him. Both what I learned when we were boys, and when we were men.
Growing up in the San Francisco Bay Area, there was no shortage of strong young players. When Daniel and I first met, we both had made decent strides in chess for new players, but we were far away from establishing ourselves as California’s 2 most promising young talents. I sort of saw him as a little brother in the chess world- our four year age gap was very notable when we were 12 and 8. Our relationship was cordial and friendly, and not much more than that.
In fact, I was much closer with his older brother Alan, who was my age. As a few years passed, around the time that we were 15 and 11, we had surpassed all of the other young players around. At this point, I was starting to feel the competition between us. I vividly remember taking second place in the K-12 state championship, while Danya took first. It was my first year at my high school, and the school had sent a team.
I remember our captain writing for the school newsletter “Sam went undefeated and finished as the top high schooler in the state.” Words carefully chosen to avoid pointing out that a 5th grader had won the tournament, and that my undefeated 5.0/6 was half a point short of the winning score. I felt embarrassed going back to school the next day. Sometime shortly after, Daniel passed me in rating, and I was the second highest rated young player in California.
To me, this was entirely unacceptable and was like waving a red flag at a bull. I upped my training regimen, started taking chess much more seriously, and I had my breakout year shortly after. The rest is history. While our relationship before was friendly and cordial, the competitive element was always there. It was only a few years later, as an adult, that I came to realize something critically important.
I would not have made it to where I was if Daniel had not been constantly chasing my tail, and making sure that my place at the top of California chess was anything but secure. And this taught me the most important lesson I have ever learned as a chess player, and as a human being. The best friends that we have in this world are the ones who push us to be the best versions of ourselves, and will accept nothing less. As competitors, as friends, as humans. Daniel was that friend for me.
People make all kinds of acquaintances as they go through life, positive and negative and everything in between. But the difference between those who enrich your life, and those who actively change the trajectory of your life for the better, tends to be that the latter group pushes you in a way that makes you uncomfortable at times. In ways that might not always be pleasant, but that when you look back, you know was critical in your personal and professional growth.
I dealt Daniel his fair share of setbacks in our early days as well. I remember him at 11 years old, choking back tears as I beat him on board 1 in the final round of the Tuesday Night Marathon to clinch first place. And this prepubescent boy, still under 5 feet tall, showed incredible personal strength when he fought back the tears, shook my hand anyway, and wished me luck as I would make my debut in the upcoming US Championship.
He even volunteered to play training games and help me out however he could. Even at such a young age, Daniel was a perfect role model. He was as fierce and competitive a player as I had ever known, but he was also a kind soul. Whatever pressure he put on me to perform, it came from his excellent play, and only his excellent play. In terms of our interpersonal relationship, he was nothing but positive.
My young teenage self might have been too proud to learn from an 11 year old at the time, but he had already mastered the combination of athletic excellence combined with exemplary sportsmanship in a way I had yet to grasp. As we became adults, Daniel became one of my closest friends. We both became US Junior Champions. What the world might not know was that we each seconded each other in the event that the other one won.
We worked together for many years, for as long as Daniel was still focused on playing more than being a content creator. There are at least 5 games I can point to from each of us that were won by playing analysis that came right from the other one’s laptop. When we would play in the same events overseas, it had become abundantly obvious that we were brothers in arms. Homegrown Americans who trained together, proud to fly our flag as we played for our country all across the globe.
Not kids who competed against each other to be the biggest fish in a small pond in a tiny little slice of the world. The first time I played Daniel in a serious professional game when we were both grandmasters was the 2014 US Championship. He tore me to shreds, with Black. I was furious with myself for not bringing my best, and my base instincts would not have led me to show good sportsmanship.
But as I was getting ready to resign, I had a vision of young Daniel showing tremendous class in that final round Tuesday Night Marathon game. Sitting across from the same player, now a grown man and a first-rate grandmaster, I swallowed my pride, shook his hand, and congratulated his father on my way out of the tournament hall. Daniel and I were closer at some times than others. There were times we would be talking all the time, other times we might go months without speaking.
While I treasure the memories I had with him playing blitz, bughouse, Avalon, just hanging out, and everything in between, what I will remember him most for was the profound impact he had on my growth. Both as a chess player and as a man. I truly believe that I would not be the chess player or the person I am today had Daniel not touched my life. And for that, I will be forever grateful in ways that words can never describe.
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my man was trying to invent mentat juice
OP - you could crosspost to c/games
You are welcome to cross post wherever you like.
he was so real for this
