They’re a parody of themselves.
Starship Troopers was a warning.
The movie was. The book was sympathetic.
It really wasn’t. Heinlein did not write Starship Troopers as an aspirational piece of milscifi and, while he definitely had some questionable politics, my understanding is that he was effectively thinking aloud as he wrote the book.
It’s hard to tell where his beliefs end and pondering began honestly. I’ve read a few of his works and it is strongly bent toward the every man trope if I remember right. Of how an individual needs to be skilled in most areas, self actualizing, independent. Reads like a conservative libertarian view to me honestly. Add in Starship Troopers itself really plays that strong and talks about military might makes right, it’s hard not to see it as positive toward warfare.
i mean when you read that heinlein time travel book where every character is the same person just at a different point in their personal timeline including the mother, the father, the son, the army dude… heinlein self sufficiency gets wweird
I recently binged a lot of Heinlein, and it turned me off him a bit. The novel Friday seemed to be the tipping point.
Very aggressive, self-assured attitude shone through.
I also binged a shotlosd of PK Dick fiction, and mostly just got super sad again.
Read a lot of Heinlein, but not that one. Are you sure it wasn’t satire?
It is a bit complicated. RH would have been a ww2 vet and I am not sure i would say is pro nazi, but he is rather right leaning and glorifying of war in his ways (he did miss out on combat and it seems to be resentful in a way).
The book is not satirical.
Heinlein was a Cold Warrior who hated commies. I think that is the most important lens you need to see his work through.
He got injured before he saw combat and had a Long convalescent period, so there definitely is a bit of a chip on his shoulder with respect to honor cultures and willingness to fight.
I think he was also gender queer in some deep way. You don’t accidentally write a novel about an older writer who, through an absurd sequence of events, gets his brain transplanted into the body of an extremely attractive younger woman. There is a lot of criticism about his recurrent “Heinlein heroine”, and I think she might actually be a self insert.
This is all true. I mostly wanted to point out that the book does not have the whimsical tone that the movie does.
He got injured before he saw combat and had a Long convalescent period, so there definitely is a bit of a chip on his shoulder with respect to honor cultures and willingness to fight.
my step grandfather was stationed in military intelligence rather than fighting on the front lines in the war. he felt like it separated him from the folk at the vfw and that self-imposed separation was the root of his ptsd. mom and dad had us read heinlein, i realized a lot later as a way to try to understand him and his brokenness.
My read from the books I’ve read, he’s a conservative libertarian, he didn’t seem to like organized religion but believe in religion and spirituality.
Have you read Stranger in a Strange Land? That reads like he’s a hippy, not a conservative.
I have, though it leads me more toward thinking of him as libertarian more than conservative. As well his dislike of organized religion. Reading other books lends more toward the conservative side of things. His history in politics and movements as well lends more credence he is conservative. Now we’re talking more of neo-liberal than fascist.
“Oh-blige him”
Walks like a Nazi, looks like a Nazi, sounds like a Nazi, is a Nazi.
Wears a custom Nazi jacket.
I think that is included in “looks like a Nazi”
The guy looks a German nazi!
No, an American Nazi.
I hate Illinois Nazis.
Brother, to him that’s a compliment.
Temu’s version of a German Nazi.
Wish Nazi, doesn’t meat the described dimensions.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/23/gregory-bovino-coat-german-media
Even the Germans have noticed
Yep, daddy issues and probably him being short is an issue:
His father Mike killed a woman in 1981, while driving drunk and causing a head-on collision. Bovino’s parents divorced shortly after this, when he was 14.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Bovino#Early_life_and_education_(1970–1996)
Everyone saying they look like nazis, and sure they have the uniforms, but at least the nazis knew how to march, how to look organized. These guys walk like a gang, no training whatsoever, which matches their recruitment strategy.
The Nazi comparisons are starting to get annoying. We don’t need to look across the sea for a comparison, we have a comparison from home, slave catchers and slave patrols.
Americans don’t want to think about their history though. This is racism coming back to bite us in the ass because we never actually dealt with the confederacy. You can’t have real reconstruction without reconciliation and restitution.
They do Nazi salutes and wave Nazi flags. The leaders aren’t even all American. They are from Africa and Canada and Australia ffs.
Is almost like immigration is bad… when you let rich immigrants in.
They’re actual Nazis though
This fractionally proportional piece of shit models himself after nazis, so the comparison is accurate.
Let’s be honest. Knowing American history this fits. Of course it’s just a group of thugs. That’s what America is. There’s no organization. It’s just hate.
What about Elon fucking musk is American?
What about billionaires who can go anywhere and live anywhere makes you think they are of any country?
These are the real globalists. Now you know why they made it into a bad word to mean jews… because God forbid anyone figure out globalist means Donald fucking Trump and the rest of the world leaders/billionaires.
Dude even dresses like a Nazi. They’re not even hiding it anymore
Slowly normalizing it…
All I see is a group of Nazis making themselves easy to be targeted by a molly.
Or at least a snow ball.
He’s such a little bitch. He purposefully surrounds himself with short dudes to make himself look taller. I’m pretty sure he’s like 5’4". Fucking temu Till Lindemann looking ass.
Hey you leave rammstein out of this
Lindemann is a rapist. Don’t protect him.
Alledged rapist. And the original accuser firmly said he never touched her, even though the media/tabloids happily claimed so.
It’s possible some enablers around him like Makeeva or Letz would spike woman so they’ld sleep with Till (would match him getting angry when Lynn refuses to do so) but that doesn’t mean he himself was aware of it. Makeeva was fired shortly after the allegations.
Authorities both in Germany & Vilnius investigated and found no evidence to continue on.
Doesn’t mean he’s not a weirdo with an unhealthy interest in sex, but decadence isn’t “if you’re famous they let you do it”.
I’m certain that Lynn was drugged (random bruising is an indicator), but I’m uncertain it was Till, and until there is stronger evidence than now-retracted tabloid articles, I would consider him innocent until proven otherwise.
Yes, and that’s why he posted a photo with Boateng, another male perpetrator of violence against women, to portray himself as a poor victim of media coverage.
The man created a system in which young women were specifically targeted (affectionately referred to as the “slut parade” by the band and staff), taken to an isolated room with others, where their cell phones were taken away, where drugs were available, and where they had to ask security guards to let them out.
There are also anonymous reports from people who contacted journalists but, at the latest after Linnemann’s major legal offensive against other victims, no longer dared to file official charges or even venture into the public eye in any way. Others, who have spoke out at first, have backtracked because German law requires such things to be proven beyond a doubt, otherwise you make yourself liable to prosecution. However, this is almost impossible, especially in sexual criminal law. Lindemann’s lawyers would have done anything to destroy these people.
Another reason, of course, is the countless people who want to defend their idol at all costs. They are just as depraved as all the Trump fans who still cover for him despite all the reports of rape. Disgusting.
I don’t need a court ruling to form an opinion. German law is a joke in this area anyway. Even what is known for certain is enough for me to identify him as a disgusting person. And I am very sure that we don’t know everything. Stop defending him. Stop protecting perpetrators.
At least it’s now a good indicator of what kind of man you’re dealing with. Just ask him what he thinks of Till Lindemann.
I’m not fanatically defending or accusing anyone based on my feelings, I’m trying to be objective and rational.
This mob mentality “everyone not agreeing with my view is disgusting and a fanatic idoliser” argument isn’t helping your case.
Arguably, you don’t want camera phones near an artist doing illegal drugs. You don’t need to be a rapist to find that logical.
That said, I don’t tend to follow “celebrity news” and definitely not German football, so I wasn’t aware of his friendship with Boateng (up to 10min ago). Having read the cliff notes, his choice in friends does say something about Lindemann’s character.
I hope you are wrong simply because that means those women weren’t violated. But honestly, the firing of Makeeva sadly indicates she did spike those women to provide to Lindemann’s parties. How much he was involved, I don’t know. It wouldn’t be the first time an entourage does shitty things to keep the golden-egg-laying artist happy without their knowledge. That’s unfortunately too common to exclude it at this point, although I wouldn’t advice anyone to rely on it being the case.
But if you wonna convince people he’s a rapist, maybe try presenting evidence first, rather than just ordering people what to do. People tend to be more accepting of a conclusion they made themselves.
Arguably, you don’t want camera phones near an artist doing illegal drugs. You don’t need to be a rapist to find that logical.
This is unhinged lmao. If you don’t want people to take pictures/videos of you doing illegal drugs backstage, there are at least two way more logical options that also have the benefit of not violating a person’s rights:
- Don’t do illegal drugs backstage with an audience
- Don’t invite people backstage to watch you do illegal drugs
I think it was more about inviting them to do drugs with him than to watch, and you wouldn’t want any selfies of that going on instagram.
Yes, obviously doing drugs around strangers is a bad idea. But if you truly insist on inviting strangers to do drugs with you, asking them to not bring any cameras in the room seems like a good move PR-wise.
It’s possible some enablers around him like Makeeva or Letz would spike woman so they’ld sleep with Till … but that doesn’t mean he himself was aware of it.
Are you saying that it’s ok to have sex with someone if they’re drugged, inebriated, or otherwise impaired, as long as you aren’t “aware” that they’re drugged, inebriated, or otherwise impaired?
By you saying “aware” I’m assuming you’re insinuating “Wir habben das nicht gewusst” ?
No, I’m not ok with pretending not to know someone can’t consent.
But I’ll Devil’s Advocate this one: There was alcohol & drugs present and being used consensually. I’m going to assume Lindemann did so as well. If at some point someone looks inebriated, are you gonna think it was involuntary? If two people go to a bar, meet eachother and agree have sex, is that abuse? And what if they both willingly got drunk first?
Imho, the key factor is intent, trying to make somebody do something against their (sober) will is always wrong. Spiking someone’s drink is coercion, because you force them into another state of mind without their consent. But if a stranger at a party at a bar acts drunk, would you immediately think they got drugged? Or does one’s informed consent to get inebriated also include the common consequences? And would you think differently if that person was drunk at a work party vs a dive bar?
I don’t know enough specifics to be certain what happened either way, but as someone who has willingly opted to get inebriated in the past, I always considered the consequences as part of that choice. (As long as the inebriation occurred voluntary) I’m aware that some people may see that as a “blaming the victim” argument, but I do draw the line at knowingly abusing someone’s state of mind vs both parties being inebriated and trying to have fun.
The main logical discrepancy I see is Lynn’s account of Lindemann running off angry. If he was a serial rapist, he probably wouldn’t do that, he’ld coax her into having more of her spiked drink until she was too inebriated to say no. I think Makeeva got those women just high enough to agree to try some (more) drugs to get them going, to make her look like she knew how to pick the party animals.
But that’s just my opinion based on the evidence I’ve seen. YMMV
This situation isn’t comparable to consenting adults meeting at a bar. Providing drugs and alcohol to “entice” women into having sex is predatory behavior, whether or not the women partake consensually or not. Play devil’s advocate if you want, but I don’t think that behavior deserves defending/rationalizing/whatever you want to call it.
Providing drugs and alcohol to “entice” women into having sex is predatory behavior, whether or not the women partake consensually or not.
So you’ve never asked a romantic interest or Tinder date to have drinks? Because the moment you pay the bill, how is what you’re doing any different?
Is he really? I haven’t kept up.
Sigh, another good artist to toss in the trash pile
I love Rammstein. Dude looks a lot like Till though.
Not really, just the hairstyle
At best it’s the wish version… the OG is a massive son of a bitch…
In his defense, ICE attracts a lot of stumpy motherfuckers who have something to compensate for.
Honestly he looks like someone with that sort of brain damage you get from getting hit in the head a bunch. Just missing the drooling.
He’s me height and surrounds himself with even shorter dudes? Fucken weakass motherfucker, I purposefully will hang out around taller guys than me because worst case scenario they literally chuck me at a problem.
I’m not even knocking short kings, but if you’re an insecure bitch about it, pshh.
Literally a Neo-Nazi.
Honestly, I don’t think there needs to be a distinction made anymore. They’re nazis regardless, and shouldn’t be given the time of discussing much more than that.
Also, I think the distinction was made because neonazi was like a subculture, legitimacing their hate with music (and other arts, sports, etc. …spaces)
But right now, they are in politics and positions of powers.
Also, this is facism at its rawest. AFAIK Minneapolis has all ICE agents to control the population where the Republicans had the least support…
Their plans are very evident, they want voter rolls, if they can’t get those, they’ll just fuck with the people. If someone gets violent on our side and starts gunning them down, they’ll respond with martial law and crack downs. They think they’re being smart, they aren’t.
He can’t buy his good squad matching long nazi coats?
And on what authority does that diminutive asshole have to tell someone out of the road?
Bovino is head of CBP not ICE. Both agencies need to be liquidated.
And everyone working there needs to be liquefied
All cancers must be removed.
Empowering these creatures was easily preventable, and the worst is yet to keep on coming, and coming, and coming… but you know how the average non-voting imbecile is.
“I won’t vote because it feels like a duty, I want voting to be FUN! I want a kinglike charismatic figure with a magical political wand to INSPIRE every breathing moment my ignorant, medieval peasant, eNLigHtEnEd MiNd!”
This video will help the jury understand that they were proud of their crimes against humanity when they’re hanging around at the hauge
Such an easy frag. What are these people doing?
The administration wishes that would happen. They couldn’t care if 10 of them died as it would kill all public support of any protestors and “legitimize” what they are doing and make it near impossible to publicly criticize ICE. Every news station would spend all their time talking about it.
Shit, we may end up seeing a false flag attack or such just to cement sympathy’s and ensure public support.
Cosplaying
