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Zohran and Kamala are tied for far-left at 37%. How tf? One of these people wanted to tax the rich and one of these people wanted to give tax breaks for private equity to build homes.
Propoganda is a hell of a drug.
There is not a single person on this list who could truly be described as left and only one who could even be described as centrist (Mamdani)
Who could then be described as left? You know being left of center counts you as left, right?
Being left is more than an arbitrary left of center. It means being in opposition to capitalism, imperialism, and reactionary thought in all forms.
Yeah but you can somewhat agree with that and not be a full on Marxist. What im trying to imply is that you are victim of a Russian psyop
There’s an infinite amount of options opposing capitalism which aren’t Marxism and there’s nothing wrong with Marxism anyway
I would sure as hell rather be a marxist than a reactionary, you on the other hand sound like a typical victim of capitalist propaganda
lol americans’ political literacy and their overton window are both fucked.
Who the fuck are the 4% that thought Trump was far left?!?
In all surveys you always get a small percentage that either doesn’t understand the question or just likes to troll. I am hoping that is this.
Edit: also a few that said Bernie and AOC are far right
Same ones who thought Obama didn’t do enough as President on 9/11.
“We got to get to the bottom why Obama wasnt in the white house on 9/11”
Racism.
Those are people who are just voting to move the Overton window right.
Lizardman Constant
Biden is a centrist at best. Far left my ass. Our view of the political spectrum is so warped.
74% describe Obama, someone that literally wrote a pro-deregulation op-ed in The Wall Street Journal while in office, as left wing.
This is what people are talking about when they say there’s no left-wing representation in America.
He would be considered a solid right in Canada.
I considered him to be solid right when he started his career. His politics is definitely not far right, and it’s leaned more left over time. But I would consider him right, except the far right have gone so off the deep end. We also don’t have like… An anarchist party or any real far left politicians in America.
That’s most of the reason I said “at best”. He’s much farther right than the right seem to think he is. Everything is messed up here.
“Our”…
You should know that there is a constant in American political geography that 30-35% are crazy people who watch Fox News (or similar) as their only news source.
Describes a terrifying situation thst could be ripped straight from the pages of a Stephen King novel .
its quite annoying.
Its truly baffling the level of crazy bullshit is just normal now.
Its truly baffling the level of crazy bullshit is just normal now.
I think it is important to remember that this is not “normal now”. These sorts of beliefs were accepted as pretty normal for decades, and for many people in the time before that, were the standard and only beliefs that existed.
It’s the same people who were the Bush dead enders in 2008, as his approval ratings tanked
When you look at the numbers, you can gather that most far left propositions probably come from maga supporters.
You can derive from that that only 4% of non maga consider Sanders as far left.
Maybe the graph should be corrected and fascists’ views disregarded.
Fascists should not and cannot be included in any reasonable political system.
It’s because they don’t have an understanding of what Marxism or what communism and anarchism actually are.
Data is beautiful and this chart is probably very accurate, but America’s understanding of and perception of the political spectrum has moved so far to the right that we can’t even
finefind the witness marks of where everything should be.Label everything communism or socialism and pretend we know what we’re talking about.
Note the bias in the chart, putting “not sure” to the right of “centrist.” The whole thing is skewed because of it!
“Not sure” should be a separate graph. It makes it look like the perception of people who are less known is not as extreme. The graph should show the opinions of people who have opinions.
Agreed. “Not sure” should be the same choice as centrist. Either they should share the center space as the same answer or centrist shouldn’t even be a choice, especially when the survey also lists center right and center left as options.
Should’ve been equally split, or omitted.
Bernie and AOC being described as “far left” makes me think US citizens are even more politically illiterate than I previously thought, which is extremely surprising, because I already believed they had the political literacy of an unborn child.
The problem is how far the entire country’s politics has shifted right. They are far left in comparison to the other politicians up for comparison. We literally have no representation for Marxism, communism, socialism, or anarchism. Because of that, it’s basically all right wing politicians by a proper metric but some will fall left of the center of the median line for the politicians we have.
I do agree that America as a whole has a political literacy problem.
We literally have no representation for Marxism, communism, socialism, or anarchism.
That’s a problem. And calling a moderate centrist “left” doesn’t help in the slightest, because you stop noticing the gap and readjust your expectations based on that.
How do you think the public would react to actually pinning these politicians to the part of the spectrum they actually belong to?
You have to fix the political literacy problem first or you’ll reinforce the wrongly held beliefs that go off vibes instead of reality.
Also, while we’re at it, we might also consider the fact that the reason I even lable Biden as not just straight up far right (not alt right), is because his politics has changed quite a lot over time. He’s moved toward the center. Lots of the conservative politicians we have started out right of center and have moved pretty hard into either the alt right or the far right. We can’t change one without the other and if we change the education we’ll fix both problems in tandem.
Some percentage considering Bernie far right is wild.
It’s all perspective. Our “far left” is probably your center.
If you lived in North Korea all your life you’d probably think Kim Jong Un was center aligned.
If only these things had definitions instead of just vibes.
We have to compare them to the fascists on the other side. In that context, they are far left.
Which is wrong and just leads to people electing right-wing Democrats who enable the Republicans as things continue getting worse.
Not really how that works.
I think it’s fairer to compare them to the actual centre.
The typical centrist is social liberal or a Christian democrat. Kind of the “I just wanna grill” person. Will treat anybody with respect and probably kick out whoever threatens with violence against people like him or not that far off his views.
Nobody on the list is far-left. The closest to that would be someone from the Black Panther Party, but those no longer exist as a unified entity.
AOC and Mamdani I’d label as democratic socialists, so left.
Bernie Sanders is a typical centre-left politician, pretty good.
Joe Biden I’d label as a centrist, centre-right Christian democrat. His fiscal teachings are somewhat coloured by Catholic social teaching - moreso than the next.
Liz Cheney would almost be a Christian democrat, were it not for her heavily libertarian leanings rather than supporting subsidiarity, which would be much more in line with Christian social teaching. In the latter, people would first take care of their family and friends, and after that, the state. She’d be centre-right, closer to right-wing, due to her libertarian mindset.
George W. Bush would be inbetween a conservative liberal and a right-wing populist, leaning closer to the latter. He’s right wing.
DeSantis, Musk, and Trump, are all far-right. There’s no need for meaningful distinction between, as they’re all enemies of the people.
Personally, I think most ‘normal’ people would consider the (nonexistent) far-left crazy, AOC up to Joe Biden ‘normal’, and Liz a bit wack but still someone one could talk to.
Bush and the rest, they’re crazy. Bush can be seen as an enabler of the rest, just like how Reagan enabled politicians like him to fetter.
In more normal areas, it’d be considered political suicide to take stances like those of Liz and further to the right.
Biden was anti bussing, put the crackhiuse and crime bills through, etc.
He’s not socially liberal at all. Just neoliberal.
You actually don’t! You are free to compare them to whatever you’d like: historical figures, international figures, imaginary figures. You have chosen to compare them to the far right.
came to make this post.
Realized that Americans are too illiterate to ever wake up.
I’ve given up on them.
Everything about this is nuts, but a special lol Kamala Harris on the far-left.
Kamala Harris number makes a gauge for the proportion of maga brainwashed people.
The lady touting her “Glock” is considered far left by some people. I’m baffled how those folks navigate daily life. It must be torture to live in a world that’s so completely mysterious and confounding.
Meh, to be fair the actual far left does like guns. We know what happens to us when we don’t have them.
Stupid and ignorant often don’t hurt the people who are stupid or ignorant. They generally hurt everyone else though.
With wildly varying quality levels of “adults” polled for it.
Okay, but what’s the source of the data?? This is some what meaningless without that. Info like that is pretty important. Many people already sharing this without any questions.
Putting Cheney on the Left is just wild, I had to check her Wikipedia page and there is absolutely nothing remotely leftist in any of her positions and actions.
You are correct that she is a pretty standard neocon in her platform.
Sadly, it is not even hyperbole to say that: in the US, denouncing Trump while accepting a family member who is gay (having eventually reconciled with her sister Mary,) makes her a super-turbo-leftist as far as most low-information voters are concerned.
These opinions arent based on researched facts, but vibes. Those people likely literally only heard of Cheney when she came out in support of Harris. And according to Fox, Harris is far left.
The words themselves have been so corrupted we need to just fucking abandon them.
Not even John Fetterman is really sure of John Fetterman’s political views these days.
It’s interesting how both Mamdani and Collins have such a high “not sure” percentage. For the former, I think it’s because he’s a democratic socialist who reached out to a lot of people who voted for orangeboi to understand why, and actually listened to the shit they didn’t like about Biden and the DNC in general. For the latter, I think it’s because most people think she’s such a fucking idiot - seriously, she’s like one step up from RFK.
The republicans are way more successful in their propaganda. They designate popular people as far left and that is amplified in the media. That doesn’t happen on the other side
Being called far left by the RINOs is a compliment.
Not for the voters. The effect on most voters is a negative one.
And? I’m talking about it as if when I were called that. RINOs like the Trumpists are so far gone that to them anyone who disagrees with their Trumpist narrow mindset, is a traitor (hey, one of the characteristics of fascism according to Eco!).
