• 1dalm@lemmings.world
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    In 25 years America went from “This isn’t about oil. This is about freedom and democracy!” to “This isn’t about oil, it’s not about anything at all. Stop asking questions any why we are murdering innocent people!”

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      Because we’re still at the point where saying “This is about the Epstein files. We raped kids and don’t want you to talk about it so we kill brown people” is unacceptable. I’d say give it a couple months.

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        What are you talking about, people are saying it constantly. But it’s not really true. We’ve been attacking Iran specifically and oil rich countries in general for a long time as well as being a lapdog for Israel. No need to blame the Epstein files, this is just who we are.

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        The “What about the Epstein Files” is the best political attack we have. It’s so great.

        Their playbook has always been to prioritize stupid political mud fights to distract the press and progressives online from all the evil Nazi shit they are doing. And that playbook works wonderfully well for them. They can come out and say any word thing like “In ear headphones are woke and make you trans so we are banning all federal employees from wearing them,” and liberals and the press eat it up. Meanwhile ICE is building literal concentration camps, but it’s the headphones things that makes the headlines because it’s stupid. Even, and especially, the popular progressive comedians are complicit in this. They don’t want to talk about the mad murders, those aren’t funny. But trans headphones? We can make lots of jokes about that! Their playbook clearly works.

        Except for the Epstein files. The Epstein is a great easy to turn their playbook against them. In this case the mud fight matters. It’s not stupid, and they don’t have a play to distract from it, because it’s the mud that drives the news. And because it’s sex, comedians love it! The headline writers love it. And Trump can’t make it just go away.

        So keep repeating the line: What about the Epstein Files?

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      I’m going to assume the obvious and say this attack is about Iran’s partnership with Russia, China and North Korea and their contribution to the invasion of Ukraine and pending invasion of Taiwan.

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        That’s generous of you. The only reason why I don’t believe that is because the administration hasn’t said that is the reason. If the administration had said that they would have likely actually built up some moral support from Congress and the international community.

        But he didn’t do that.

        I think the easier explanation is that Hegseth wants a war for his ego so that he can feel like a big man. (Trump didn’t actually care and will sign off on anything at this point.)

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          Considering other members of NATO are getting involved militarily and supporting the strike on Iran. It seems much more likely they know something the public doesn’t know.

          It seems extremely unlikely that Hegseth can just start a war for his ego. And that wouldn’t explain the involvement of the rest of NATO.

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            I think it’s 100% likely that Hegseth is absolutely the kind of person that would start a war for his ego and retweets.

            But again, if cutting off Iran’s support for Russia was the goal, why not just say that?

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              Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if Hegseth is that type of person but I don’t think he has the power to cause this alone.

              But again, if cutting off Iran’s support for Russia was the goal, why not just say that?

              Intelligence agencies often don’t share what they know with the public. One of many reasons for doing that is it would expose the spies and methods of gathering intel.

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          It’s definitely about Russia, North Korea and China’s imperialist interest. Iran has been supplying weapons for the genocide in Ukraine

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            How does the US getting bogged down in Iran while sending military aid to Ukraine prevent China from invading Taiwan? The US is ramping up its military presence everywhere, which means that it will be stretched too thin to aid Taiwan.

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              US has Israel to fight Iran, Ukraine to fight Russia and Taiwan to fight China, and South Korea to fight North Korea. US manufactures military supplies, how would they be bogged down?

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            Ukraine and it’s ally made themselves the enemy of Iran forcing Iran into Russia arms. They couldn’t forgive Iran for getting rid of the west marionette the Shah. During Mossadegh , Iran was a neutral country. In 2007 Iran did not supply weapons yet Ukraine joined the sanctions against Iran for it’s civilian nuclear program. There is one thing in common between Russia and Ukraine they both lick Israel boots

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              I didn’t say US was “doing it for Ukraine”. The US is like any other country, it is a large group of people and each individual has their own motivations. In this case the US is probably helping Ukraine for the same reason Iran is helping Russia. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”

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                Iran is doing it because they have no choice. like I said Europe and NATO could have made a deal with Iran so they don’t have to support Russia with weapons . The usa is helping Ukraine to make money

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                  Iran always has a choice. They aren’t being forced to fund genocide. And if they do then they should be held responsible for their actions.

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    Like… who is this for? MAGA doesn’t want this war. Democratic voters don’t want the is war

    The only people who seem to want this are karaoke Democratic and Republican lawmakers, old guard neocons or Israel first Dems.

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    So even if the Iranians fighting the regime wanted a democracy the US wouldn’t let them have one?

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      No, because the people generally hate the US and Israel just as much as the regime. They want a puppet dictator who will suppress dissent on the US just as harsh, if not harsher then the ayatollahs.