I notice this especially with my Norwegian learning. People are rude, call me names, or make fun of me on Reddit for using the wrong word or “en” vs “et” or using a direct translation because I don’t know how they say it in Norwegian, like saying somethng like «Ingen av bedriften din!» instead of «Dette er ikke din sak» (according to the casual version of Bing Translate) whereas a Norwegian-speaking Fediverse member would just say something like “You’re doing good, but it’s actually _____.”
I think it has to do with community size. Even on reddit, the smaller and more insular communities are much more pleasant than the frontpage ones.
yep the smaller subs feel like a whole different website. The main pages have so much political doom and rage bait in my experience.
I found that you get the biggest upvote response when you are either edgy or more black and white takes. Medium takes may be both more correct and nicer overall, but they don’t get the most engagement. I would find that after I had a “big comment” that did well, I would make edgier comments for a while after, chasing that high.
That’s not so much a problem here since a thread doesn’t have thousands and thousands of comments or is flights against for attention. Typically I read all the comments on a Lemmy post. Doing the same on Reddit would both suck away my time and my soul, haha.
When a small subreddits suddenly made it to front page (or I guess it’s /r/all now? Idk I hate new reddit), good luck to the mods
This has been my experience. Plenty if small subreddits I’ve perused where when they were small, they’re all politle (whether in humor, serious discussion, or sharing hobbies). In time as they grew it just brings in more and more uh, typical redditors. Thats when you knew either abandon ship and make /r/true[subject] or just cut it out.
I totally feel this among small communities too. If you’re gonna be scathing and demeaning in a small community, you’re gonna run out of people to talk to real fast
There’s plenty of rude people here are you kidding? People are rude to me just because I’m on lemmy.ml lmfao…
rude disgruntled noises
As long as you’re not a tankie!
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You could always switch instance though. That’s a thing you can do in the Fediverse. You can’t do that on Reddit.
Why would I change instances because people are misinformed about MLs?
I said could. We’re comparing Lemmy to Reddit.
Because they don’t want to be on a server that supports/is/touts/… XYZ?
I meant less rude but I understand… that sucks so hard though 😭
first ml upvote in a very long time
now get back in your box
I only hate you because of the color of your shirt!
We’re taking red back.
That hasn’t really been my experience. Lemmy seems nicer on the surface because most of the userbase is ideologically aligned, so conflict is less likely. But once you make the wrong noises about something, plenty of people show up ready to prove just how mean and horrible they can actually be.
Also, on Reddit I never had anyone follow me around trying to cause reputational damage by spreading false accusations about me.
This is true. The fediverse is unpleasant in occasionally different ways but is unpleasant. Part of it is human psychology that’s hard to avoid (not that people are trying particularly hard), and then it’s amplified by the demographics here possibly being somehow even worse at the whole “alternate view points” thing than Reddit is - which I seriously would not have thought possible, but here we are.
Maybe if the goal was making “reddit but less fuckfaced”, it was a mistake to settle on the rather shoddy work of a bunch of extraordinarily angry tankies (possibly false flag although it’s hard to separate one kind of dipshit from another kind of dipshit pretending to be the first kind of dipshit), and/or extraordinarily angry whatever else these… people… are - I’m sure spelling it out would be some kind of -ist, and whoo boy - no, sorry, that’s probably sexist, damn. No, sorry, that’s probably religious persecution, shit. No, sorry, ableism again because what if people have colostomies. Oh sorry, “colostomy” is Greek derived so probably also offensive to someone. And suggesting that is probably also possible to frame as offensive somehow, if one really puts one’s alleged mind to it.
Instead of being banned arbitrarily from a sub because some shithead didn’t like you criticizing Trump, you’ll be banned arbitrarily from an entire instances because people are actively hunting for excuses to be offended, trolling, or just wildly out of touch with reality.
“I don’t necessarily think Marxist-Len-” clearly fascist. Banned.“Hey, that’s crazy, man” - banned. That’s ableism, don’t’y’know.
“Some people get tricked into voting against their better int-” can’t even tell what you were referring to, but banned anyway, just in case. Or because voting is fascist, or some other scintillatingly intelligent reasoning.
“Sometimes you can’t get away from Windows-” fascist corporate something or other, banned.
“Sometimes people get offended, or pretend to, and it doesn’t automatically make them righ-” (waiting to see how this one pans out, actually :P)
Getting a break from the (overt) right wingers is jolly nice, actually. The depressing upshot, though, is that it turns out a lot of the psychology is pretty similar anyway. The very people whining the loudest about the Reddit Gestapo get over here and immediately start the Lemmy KGB, but it’s okay because their views are the right ones. Even though one of the main guys is still a blatant transphobic asshole, which is frankly pretty suggestive of something in this bastion of hyper zealous… “tolerance”.
All to enjoy much less and shittier content… maybe it isn’t 100% worth it, which makes the FV’s hysterical self-congratulatory attitude pretty funny. Hooray, we have a deeply flawed and impractical, gimmicky bullshit architecture, thought up by someone who drinks Russian and Chinese and North-Korean (etc) flavor-aid! You even get different excuses when some dipshit abuses the moderation system, woohoo! This is like, the best thing since we ran over those protesters at Tiananmen square!
Theres something called “morally lucky” where they didn’t really think things through that much but just ended up in the “more correct” group anyway. Some more common examples than what you gave would be things like “omg Ben Shapiro is so short what a gnome,” or “trump has a tiny dick lol!!” while saying body shaming is not okay and isn’t ever acceptable.
Yeah ive been jumped on hard here for referring to a she as a he when she was referred to as “CEO of x company”.
fwiw i would not assume those are real complaints, it’s wholly possible that those are just bots trying to polarize people.
I think it just attracts the terminally onlines, I think most people on the fediverse are pretty cool and willing to argue stuff reasonably, but the insane people are so loud that’s what you’ll see very often.
We have the same problems reddit does. It’s just that it’s a smaller userbase and downvoted comments don’t disappear here like they get pushed down on reddit. So you don’t get downvoted as much, but your controversial or unpopular take remains visible for opposing opinions to attack. And yeah, there are mini-brigades here too. Make a comment about a subject that has importance to a particular instance and you get insta-downvoted multiple times, but your post will probably recover as the rest of the groups view the conversation.
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I hope you got squared away ok
Nah, they’re still on it - and considering how much you’ve been discussing AI here too, it’s more than likely you’ve run into them as well.
Being careful with your words helps to some extent, but then there are people like this who don’t really care what you actually say. If they perceive you to be on the wrong side of an issue they care deeply about, they slap this cartoon-villain stereotype on you and treat it as fact. It’s not about what you said - it’s about who they think says those kinds of things. It’s intentional misinterpretation and ad hominems all the way down. No point even trying to engage with their insane troll logic.
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Also, on Reddit I never had anyone follow me around trying to cause reputational damage by spreading false accusations about me.
Why would you use your real name or reveal any information about you here or on Reddit anyway unless you have to?
I don’t. That’s what makes it even more bizzare. I don’t get what they have to gain from trying to stain an anonymous account.
it feels good
frankly at this point i just assume that anyone who is really obviously being stupidly aggressive isn’t a real person, it’s probably just a bot meant to push people apart.
But once you make the wrong noises about something, plenty of people show up ready to prove just how mean and horrible they can actually be.
This is true. Linux isn’t my platform of choice, and the “passion” of the responses that provokes is remarkable.
didn’t you know that Linux is the Jesus Christ of operating systems?
It will save us from our computing sins and heal the world and bring forth a computing paradise!
1 . The extra steps to find a fedi instance and create a new account is usually too tedious for the post-first-think-later kind of guy.
2 . The like/dislike function are present, but the lack of shitty function like karma, medals etc. don’t push the users in some kind of frenzy “contest” where copy-pasted crap or Ai-slop flood the platform.
3 . The flow of new contents is too slow to encourage doom-scrolling types. The users who stays more of a week are usually people interested in discuss things and actually “read” other comments.
1 .
Bizarre. Did you mangle lists on purpose to impair web accessibility just because?
Nop
You could have done
1. The extra… 2. The like/dislike… 3. The flow…Instead, you went with the counterintuitive & unnatural
1 . The extra… 2 . The like/dislike… 3 . The flow…which takes special effort. This ain’t making sense.
Oh no, that’s terrible. So you must find that… very bothering, right?
So, you’re digging into breaking web accessibility. What did the disabled do to you to deserve this abuse? Do you kick crutches & obstruct service animals, too?
Not disagreeing with the other comments here but I’d add that hostility breeds engagement, and for sites like Reddit, engagement equals more time spent on the site and more opportunities to serve ads.
Whether intentional or not, the algorithms push more aggressive/rude/hurtful comments to the top. Reddits business is making money off you while lemmy is just there. I expect that accounts for some of what you see
Probably just the law of large userbases. The more people around, the more rude people there are likely to be. Rude people are always a minority, but they tend to be more vocal.
A large portion of fediverse users have abandoned Reddit for moral or ethical reasons. So while occasionally people will be rude here, it tends to skew more towards polite discussion.
Large userbases, and the “somebody is wrong on the internet” effect. If we like something we see we’ll possibly like/upvote it and move on with our life, if we see a problem we’re far more likely to jump on and interact. So a hundred people might read something and be neutral towards it, and it’s enough to have one asshole react poorly to ruin the mood completely.
The same dynamic works for reply guys, and sadly the fediverse is in no way immune. But hopefully there are more people on here who are aware that it’s a community building exercise, and who make an effort to leave a positive footprint. :)
“somebody is wrong on the internet”
I’d say part of it is likely raw userbase size. Like how even the most positive, well-meaning fandoms turn toxic at the edges when they get large enough.
I think some bots are trained to be controversial and mean. Controversial take would be that age verification roots out the young pranksters from certain communities.
You’re doing good, but both “ingen av bedriften din” (no one of your company) and “dette er ikke din sak” (this is not your case) is equally wrong. Both are saying English phrases in Norwegian, which makes it sound strange. This is the closest I can think of in the early morning fog of mind: “Ha’kke du no’ med” - østlandsk “Har ikke du noe med” - bokmål
Instead of translating English phrases, I’d recommend trying to look up Norwegian phrases and see if any fits your need.
Idk man, the first comment I made here got assaulted with hatred. It’s been fine since then but it definitely had me worried.
I have been on here 2 years. First 1.5 years it was pretty fun.
Now I barely go by 3 days without someone telling me how shitty and awful I am for having a different opinion than them.
The novelty wore off, now this place is just as much an echo chamber as any other dank corner of the internet lol.
there are still some pretty cool posts with interesting comments, a lot more than reddit.
but there as it grows there are more and more stupid people who are just here to be angry and hateful, who think anyone who doesn’t agree with their biased agendas is hateful and angry and who just sling personal attacks at other commenters. because they aren’t interested in the issues at hand or discussion of them, they are just interested in feeling superior to the ‘enemy’. and their post histories are usually quote pointed in regurgitating whatever grievances they have, like thinking everyone who doesn’t agree with them 100% is a Nazi.
Your opinion is different than mine. Fuck off, shitty boomer!
;-)
You just haven’t found the right counts yet.
Watch this:
Firefox sucks donkey dick.
Actually everyone on Lemmy hates Firefox now because AI
yep. and if you point out that firefox AI features are entirely optional and you can turn them off… you get told to go fuck yourself.
or if you recommend another browser, you get told that browser is also awful and shitty and you should go fuck yourself for suggesting it. ALSO YOU ARE CLEARLY A NAZI FOR NOT THE SAME LINUX DISTRO AND BROWSER THAT I DO.
because I am fighting facism by using Debian and Librewolf!!! And if you aren’t too then you are on the side of the fascists!
I was also kind of a cunt.
I will take the cuntiness blame here.
WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT FIREFOX???
I WILL KILL YOU!!!
Bootlicker
WELL I THINK YOUR BROWSER LIKES TO FELATIATE BIRDS!!
… YEAH! it sucks cloaca. How do you feel about THAT‽
Nah bro- I was a fuck ass. Coming back to admit it.
Bad day. We’re all just trying to escape the same shit. Should be helping instead of fighting.
It’s me. I’m the asshole.
🤓
I was the cunt. Took a stressful day out on Yall amazing people.
I’m not sure why people are so intent on excusing reddit with “oh people are just inherently mean” or “it’s because there’s a large userbase”…
No it’s because most of the “people” on reddit are bots lol, it’s the same as all the big platforms. It’s just a fuckload of bots trying to make people as angry at each other as possible, because that drives more engagement and politically benefits the people running the bots and who own the platforms.
(and part of it is just that more “”““users””“” means you can brag to advertisers and get more money).People who aren’t angry and aren’t made to think everyone is a miserable shithead might do horrifying things like “become friends” and “help each other”.
Or truly horrifyingly they might talk to each other and be convinced that rich people kinda suck actually, and we should do something about that, like stop using platforms owned by rich people.People tend to be assholes. The more people in one place, the lower the chance of nobody being an asshole, and it does usually only take one. Then you add the karma system, which causes people to perform for the internet points. It’s not just people being a natural asshole for any number of reasons: people also reward the wrong things such as asshole behavior, Redditsplaining, zingers and stupid cringeworthy clichés. The karma factor is lower here, but still a thing.
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It depends on your communities. There are plenty of proudly toxic people on the fediverse.
I’m plenty rude on here, motherfucker
