• davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      That Wikipedia page used to have genocide in the title, but they walked it back.

      A lie gets halfway around the world before truth puts on its boots.

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    That “96% Tibetan language” stat is a classic distraction. It ignores the cost of that statistic. You can boast about language retention while simultaneously criminalizing the Dharma, arresting monks, and using state violence to suppress any mention of the Dalai Lama. A language isn’t “thriving” if its speakers are being systematically silenced through fear and imprisonment. Don’t mistake linguistic survival for cultural freedom.

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      There are 10 million native speakers in China, out of a total population of 12 million.

      This isn’t the own you think it is.

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    Tibet was sold to China in the 20th century. Natives in America were conquered and uprooted centuries ago, and more than once.

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      If you want a more apt comparison:

      The number of speakers of Occitan in France has gone, in the past 100 years, down from 1 million to about 100k, and their language enjoys no form of official recognition or protection.

      The number of speakers of Tibetan language has gone, in the past 100 years, up from 1 million to about 6 million. Tibetan is the official language in the Tibetan Autonomous Republic in China, and all Yuan banknotes have their worth written in Tibetan as well as Chinese.

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      the anglosphere buried children and genocided the rest of their familes while china built schools – quit swallowing american propaganda.

      american, canadian and australian policies were genocidal. they built residential schools that forcibly removed indigenous children; banned their languages; and caused thousands of deaths. over 1,800 unmarked graves were recently discovered in canada alone and all three countries had a policy of “kill the indian, save the man.” canada’s indian act stripped sovereignty, banned ceremonies, and enabled forced sterilizations into the 1970s.

      china has nothing close to this. yes, it promotes mandarin in education, but minority languages (tibetan, uyghur, mongolian) are still taught, used and – most importantly-- not banned. ethnic autonomous regions cover over 60% of china’s territory yet no mass graves; no stolen children; no forced sterilization like in the united states, canada, australia, greenland or even isreal.

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        In addition to mass detention, government policies have included suppression of Uyghur religious practices,[7] political indoctrination,[8] forced sterilization,[9] forced contraception,[10][11] and forced abortion.[12][13] An estimated 16,000 mosques have been razed or damaged,[2] and hundreds of thousands of children have been forcibly separated from their parents and sent to boarding schools.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

        I’m not defending America. But you are defending China and you shouldn’t.

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          not even elementary school children are allowed to cite wikipedia anymore because it so biased and wrong. lol

          and speaking of bias: nearly half the citations in the references are funded by the us government – both directly and indirectly. go read to what happened when trump gutted most of usaid and you’ll see how deep the american propaganda factory goes.

          or better yet, do yourself a favor – read anything from the american freedom of information act. the american gov’t has effectively been forced to admit it fabricates propaganda and this fact has been public record since the 1970s, americans still believe the propaganda anyways.

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              i’ll restate my comment:

              the freedom of information act provides a quick & easy litmus test for things like this – and human rights watch fails it.

              since 1979, the freedom of information act has been proving that the western characterization of north korea as a hermit kingdom with despotic rulers was american manufactured propaganda – and almost 50 years later, human rights watch still believes the propaganda somehow.

              this isn’t some random conspiracy theory – this is the american 👏 fucking 👏 government 👏 itself effectively admitting it to the public and in writing almost a half century ago that they manufactured this propaganda, but human rights watch still believes in this propaganda anyways so there’s no reason to listen to what they have to say about china.

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          The vast majority of muslim nations on earth sent delegates to investigate in person and declared the accusations baseless

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          NATOPedia isn’t as neutral or objective as people think.
          Meet Wikipedia’s Ayn Rand-loving founder and Wikimedia Foundation’s regime-change operative CEO

          Previously:

          The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.

          The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same mapimperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.

          Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
          https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.

          Previously:

          Genocide is more than just killing, it’s the deliberate destruction of a people including its culture and institutions.

          (a) Show me the Uyghur bodies

          (b) Show me the serious bodily or mental harm

          (c) Show me the conditions calculated to bring about physical destruction in whole or in part

          (d) Show me the measures intended to prevent births within the group

          In accordance with China’s affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.

          (e) Show me the forcible transfer of children from one group to another group

          violent incidents in East Turkestan

          I wonder where those Salafi terrorists came from? Oh right: the US, UK, and Israel organized, funded, and trained them, as they did Al Qaeda and the various flavors of ISIS/ISIL, including the “moderate rebels” that just took over Syria. The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent.

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          Gotta love talking with China MAGA. Always a wall of text explaining how awful america is, but never any acceptance that china has committed any wrongdoing. Screaming “western propaganda”, while spewing the most obvious and blatant Chinese propaganda imaginable.

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      “China voted in favor of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples” and your beloved daddy america voted against it, the declaration was being voted on in 2007 when the 5 minority autonomous regions were established between 1947 -1965, it wasn’t until 1975 with the “Indian Self-Determination and Education Assistance Act” did the native americans get autonomy

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        Why not finish the paragraph?

        Even though China voted in favor of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, the government has not implemented the plan.

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    Cool surface cherry picking. Tibetans are one of the minority groups in China, as opposed to the entirety of indigenous peoples in the US which is the comparison being made. It also only highlights the language, disregarding the cultural and religious practices.

    I do think it’s awesome to keep languages alive, but that’s not a whole culture.

    In other news, indigenous peoples in the US have their own legal system that applies to their lands and which isn’t easily infringed on by the federal or state governments. That’s not true in China, so while they can speak their language they are still under other types of oppression.

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      in china minorities get their own autonomous provinces (e.g. Xinjiang for Uyghurs, Tibet for Tibetans) which would be like if the US gave the Navajo nation a whole state with their own autonomy

      and their languages on currency

      (also you aint slick, imagine having no other points so you scroll through my page, find the other post and copy and paste your comment)

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      cool surface-level confidence. you might want to consider reading a single supreme court decision for the last few decades. congress has plenary power over tribes – meaning that congress can abolish tribal courts, override tribal verdicts, or sell tribal land without consent whenever it feels like it.

      there’s also lone wolf v. hitchcock; used last year in castro-huerta where the supreme court ruled that states can prosecute crimes by non-indigenous against indigenous on reservations – overriding tribal jurisdiction. not to mention that the major crimes act of 1885 stripped tribes of prosecuting felonies like murder. there’s also public law 280 imposed state jurisdiction on reservations in six states without a single tribal vote.

      so no, tribal legal systems aren’t “not easily infringed on.” they exist at congress’s pleasure. the only difference between the us and china here is that the us has better pr.

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      Also if we’re looking at this on a tribal basis, according to Google there’s double the number of Tibetans in China than there are Native Americans of all tribes remaining put together. Happy for the Tibetans in comparison but this ain’t really a great metric for making an assessment on treatment by empires

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      You’re not witty, you’re just a coward with a keyboard – engage honestly or get lost.

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      The vast majority of muslim nations on earth got together to send delegates to investigate in person, they declared the accusations baseless. ___

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      Genocide is when your language enjoys the status of official language and the number of speakers goes from 1 million to 6 million over the past 100 years.

      It’s seriously fucking disgusting how intellectually dishonest scum like you will weaponize the current genocide of the Palestinians and make false equivalences with regions you have read literally 0 about (outside US propaganda news and Lemmy posts). Disgusting fucking behaviour that actually minimizes what’s going on in Palestine.