Goddam we are already at “it wasn’t real but if it was they deserved it”?
From true anon.
It should be raided by ICE
Ah the ol’ “natural born Muslim citizens don’t exist” xenophobia
I hope this person gets what they want handed back at them.
You have been banned from Reddit for condoning violence, you’re welcome
(imagine that with the reddit antennae)
I feel like this might get a bit of use here, so I added the dingle
oh yeah @CARCOSA@hexbear.net and uhh idk @WhyEssEff@hexbear.net we need this emoji (in my opinion)
For my sanity, I will not be reading any reddit threads about this. It’ll be full of zionists saying “they deserved it” and all other commenters getting removed and banned.
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Hopefully the Charlie Kirk fate
Remember kids: Violence is great when it's done by the state!im not particularly religious, but if a mosque opened up nearby that wanted to stop laura loomer, i would patronize the bake sale or the car wash or whatever.
Fucking pig, not sure who she means when she says “us” here but she definitely deserves to be proven wrong
“us” being people who resemble the tricycle-riding puppet from Saw
What an absolute vampire
Looks like Frankensteins monster, but spends her time building strawmen
Attack her for being a ghoul not how she looks
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If you can’t shred the ideology they stand for with your own words and can only attack their looks, you show that you stand for nothing and that anyone who is a sympathetic fellow traveler or slowly developing their class consciousness that those they’d side with are rabied dogs who bite anyone in arms reach.
i’m much less interested in one specific person’s appearance than i am in the fact that it’s the result of a deliberate cosmetic surgery and has become a trend in a specific political circle despite clashing with wider normative standards for “conventionally attractive.”
there’s probably a couple social science dissertations there
I don’t particularly question the reasons why individuals do what they do with their physical form as long as it’s fully a choice of their free will. It’s none of my business.
considering the politics involved i doubt it’s “fully a choice of their free will”, even within the extent that such a thing is possible to begin with
As a trans person, I sort of live in the space of “am I making this choice because I actually want to or because I’m trying to fit into society better?” That is, many of my choices about my body could be argued to be not entirely a freely made choice.
But I’m not actually very interested in digging into my motivations for the choices I’ve made. I thought about them quite a bit before I made them, but now that they’re made, I kind of don’t care how pressured by society I was when I made them. And if anyone else tried to tell me that my choices were not my own or not freely made? Yeah, fuck right off with that.
The same applies here. You’re probably right, Laura Loomer and all the rest are making a choice that is, of course, mediated and informed by society. But I don’t care to dig into her motivations, and I am entirely unwilling to say that her choice to get the surgeries she has gotten is anything other than a free choice made with free will
Yeah, she, or Trump, or whomever don’t just happen to look like that, they deliberately paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to make themselves look like that. It’s an elaborate costume and class signifier. Making fun of Mar-A-Lago face is like making fun of how Louis XIV dressed
I totally agree with you, but this is a separate argument.
Any criticism of Loomer should lead with things like how she successfully lobbied the US government to block desperate Palestinian children from receiving medical care in the US.
But why should her looks be off limits?
The working masses appear in all shapes and sizes. How would you feel if someone was ruthlessly attacking the appearance of someone who has a resemblance to yourself, say that if you were a balding male with a receding hairline and people that you agree with and generally get along cordially make fun of trumps sons for their receding hairlines and do nothing but attack them for physical traits that coincidentally align with your own physical traits. Would you not feel slighted? Wouldn’t you wonder if those you are working with are judging your physical form in the same manner as they judge the enemy?
We must fight for the liberation of the working class, and to help join our ranks and feel welcome, we must cast aside our discrimination for the other. This means fighting against racism, misogyny, ageism, xenophobia, homophobia, trans-phobia, discrimination against the disabled, and to struggle against the chauvinist lies of the capitalist class.
The fact you haven’t addressed is that she chose to have that appearance, and she did it as a cultural signifier to the MAGA cult.
Choosing to have Mar-a-Lago face is similar to choosing a Nazi tattoo. I harshly criticize the appearance of people with Nazi tattoos, and I think that same logic applies to Loomer’s face.
So any women who enjoys cosmetics and has elected to get self-affirming surgery should be shamed just because of a handful of people?
people getting cosmetic surgery out of fear of appearing unattractive
people getting Nazi tattoos to prove their loyalty to the cause
These are actually not that similar, even if it’s “Mar-A-Lago” face for the MAGA crowd
Just because the MAGA crowd is obsessed with appearances doesn’t mitigate the fact that most of Western society is obsessed with appearance as well
Look at Hollywood and it’s rich history of grinding actors to paste only to cast them aside the second they start to show wrinkles
What is the difference between the mar-a-lago face than people in their 50-60 trying to look younger?
If the specifics of the mar-a-lago face is large lips/eyelashes what makes it different than I don’t know the bimbo look?
Only right wing republicans have this aesthetics or the majority of republicans have it but other people also have them?
Because attacking someone for their looks is criticising them for not adhering to your particular standards of attractiveness. Dismissing and attacking someone for the way is constantly used to put down queer people, fat people, disabled people, alternative people etc. These standards come from misogynistic and racist ideas of what attractive people look like, that is skinny people with white skin and white features.
When you attack someone for looking a certain way, you attack anyone who looks like them. People deserved to be judged for their actions and beliefs, not their presentation. Attacking someone’s appearance enforces the idea that your appearance needs to be pleasing to others, and if it isnt, you deserve to be degraded, which is extremely harmful to so many people, especially queer and trans people.
Yeah, I’m a disabled person, I really understand cultural stigma.
The big difference in my mind is that I didn’t choose to be disabled. Loomer, through a series of elective cosmetic surguries, chose that face.
When you attack someone for looking a certain way, you attack anyone who looks like them
Yes, very intentionally. Choosing Mar-a-Lago face is one of the strongest signifiers of MAGA cultism. It’s practically a Nazi tattoo.
We are too woke
It’s called “being consistent and principled”.
“They go low, we go high” just like they like it
You build the movement by tearing down what they stand for while building what you stand for. This is politics 101
Lol she should be shot
It’s not some flippant crap about civility, it’s about looking our for your fellow comrades when you fly off the handle and shame a woman for how she looks. You’re doing friendly fire with that shit and potentially hurting other women out there who are innocent or struggle with self-image.
She’s never going to read this, but comrades who are self conscious about their appearance might.
i wish all comrades considering cosmetic surgery a better consultation than the mar-a-lago political clique.
idk about actual plastic surgery but my sister got implants after she recovered from hard drugs because it kinda wrecked her body and I get it. It can be good for body image but also we still should not shame people for bad jobs (she was very happy with her outcome and you would hardly tell but it doesn’t always turn out good). Shame her for being a Nazi (loomer not my sister, my sis is rad af) ffs.
The principle of unilateral disarmament in the culture wars.
You can’t spread class consciousness when you’re being ignored.
I will absolutely attack her for how she looks, considering it was elective surgery. If she was born looking like jigsaw, that’s one thing. She spent money to look like that, which absolutely makes it fair to critique.
I have also had elective cosmetic surgery. Are you going to attack me for how my chest looks? I spent lots of money to get top surgery, so I guess in your mind that opens the aesthetics of my chest up to critique.
I think it’s pretty obvious that I’m not talking about basic gender affirming surgery, but if you decide to get inhumanly large beach balls, I might crack a joke at it. You’re welcome to feel differently, but if people spend vast sums of money to look entirely inhuman, I see no reason that jokes are off limits.
I also make fun of people that dress in absurd ways. That doesn’t mean that I’m going to make fun of a trans woman wearing a dress, but I’m going to poke fun at Sam Smith showing up to an event in what looks like overinflated BDSM gear.
Ultimately, my opinion and tastes don’t matter, and people are going to do what people are going to do. I won’t shame someone for intrinsic characteristics, but I see nothing wrong with poking fun at bizarre aesthetic choices.
I think it’s pretty obvious that I’m not talking about basic gender affirming surgery
No, because you’d get called a bigot and get banned immediately. You know that, and furthermore you (I admit I’m making some assumptions here) want to believe you’re a good person who isn’t transphobic.
But. The rest of your comment shows more about your beliefs than you mean it too. Your comment makes it abundantly obvious that you believe you are the arbiter of when someone’s presentation (gender or otherwise) is just “too weird” and hence worthy of mockery. That belief is fucking harmful and you should work to deworm your brain
I disagree with the assertion that I’m the arbiter of when someone is worthy of mockery. If someone is born that way, it’s not fair to poke fun. If someone chooses to look some way, it’s fair game. I’ve done plenty of shit to express myself that hasn’t been to others’ tastes, and I’ve had jokes made about it and I’ve made my own jokes about it. If that person signals discomfort or requests that people stop, then they should stop.
Ultimately, everyone is going to be made fun of for their stylistic choices at some point. Some will be valid, some won’t. Some will be funny, some will be not funny.
If someone chooses to look some way, it’s fair game.
I’ve chosen to get top surgery. Making fun of my chest is fair game
what a unripe melon she is. Putting supposedly in quotes… so you’re saying it definitely happened. got it
