• WesternInfidels@feddit.online
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    3 days ago

    This is at least a tiny bit like asking “I’m cooking a turkey for Thanksgiving; how long do I set the microwave for?”

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      3 days ago

      Cheese is too hard I’m looking for a gooey substitute like in grilled cheese so I’m wondering if something like this would be good.

      Or this if I’m looking for something spicy.

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        Sounds like you might not be using a cheese thats suited for melting if you’re having a tough time. You want something with high moisture and fat content. Cheddar, Havarti, Mozzarella, Gruyere, or Monterey Jack should work. You can use shredded bag cheeses but make sure the bag says its a melting cheese, as regular bagged cheese has anti clumping agents that fuck up the melt.

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        Assuming you aren’t trolling, “American cheese” is a good in between real cheese and cheese spray. Gooey and melty.

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          American Cheese is just Swiss that hasn’t aged.

          American Cheese Food by Kraft is probably what you’re thinking of.

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            Assuming you’re not trolling

            American Cheese is basically cheese (usually cheddar, though there’s a couple other cheeses it can be made from) that’s had an emulsifier (usually sodium citrate) added to it, which is an emulsifier that keeps it from separating when melted (if you’ve ever melted regular cheese you may have noticed that it gets kind of oily/greasy because the fat in the cheese separates out) which makes for a really nice creamy/gooey texture.

            It’s solid (though usually fairly soft) and comes in a block or pre-sliced.

            There’s sort of a few different “levels” of American cheese, with different labeling requirements depending on how much other stuff has been added to it.

            At the top end you have stuff that can be labeled as “pasteurized process American cheese” which is basically what I described above. Cheese + emulsifier, and sometimes a little added fat, salt, acid, and color. It’s basically cheddar that melts nicer. There’s of course a range of quality here, some start with a better quality cheese than others, and/or add more or less emulsifiers/salt/fat/acid/color, but overall these are actually pretty good. If the label actually says “American cheese” on it, this is almost certainly what you’re getting.

            A step down you have “pasteurized process American cheese food” which again have emulsifiers and such, and are at least 51% cheese, the rest is made up of other dairy products.

            Then you have things that don’t even meet that definition and contain other additives, there’s not really an officially regulated term for these things, and just about anything goes for them, they might be labeled as a cheese “product,” “snack,” “dip,” “sauce,” “spread” or any number of other things. These are your cheez wiz, Kraft singles, Velveeta, etc. And this is where a lot of people get the idea that American cheese is crap, some of them don’t even taste much like cheese, their texture can be weirdly waxy/plastic-y, they have all kinds of weird additives and non-dairy ingredients, I once bought some bottom of the barrel cheese product singles that didn’t even want to melt on my burger.

            For those second two categories, you’re probably not going to find the words “American cheese” anywhere on the package. You might find “American” in big friendly letters, but you’ll have to look elsewhere on the package to find that it’s a “cheese food/product/etc”

            For the first two, you’ll often find them being sliced off of a giant block at the deli counter, though some of them may be pre-packaged in the dairy aisle, for the last category you’re almost never going to find them at the deli and it’s all gonna be in the dairy aisle or even on an unrefrigerated shelf somewhere.

            And if you’re adventurous in the kitchen, you can do some pretty cool things with American cheese, those emulsifiers in them can make some magic happen with cheese sauces and such that you really couldn’t do otherwise. As an example, I don’t really like most seafood, but my wife loves sushi, so I sometimes make some weird non-fish sushi so we can both be satisfied. One time I made a “Philly cheese steak” roll with beef and caramelized onions, and I whipped up a sort of “Japanese cheez wiz” to go with it by making some dashi and melting American cheese into it (I think I also added some miso) and it was fucking delicious, and you wouldn’t be able to do that with regular cheese without adding extra emulsifiers, the cheese and the broth just wouldn’t mix right.

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              American Cheese Food by Kraft is what you’re describing.

              American Cheese is just Swiss that hasn’t aged.

              No American Cheese that I’ve bought in the last 30 years has anything but dairy in it.

              Kraft American Cheese Food has other crap in it.

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                Hoo boy are you confidently incorrect.

                This isn’t exactly a secret, the other commenter linked part of the regulations about this, and you can just look up actual products that are out there, their ingredients and how they’re labeled, as well as plenty of people out there who have made their own American cheese-like products from cheese and emulsifiers.

                And it sounds like you need a new cheese monger, if you got that info from them they’re lying out their ass to sell you some American cheese they couldn’t get rid of otherwise.

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                3 days ago

                Everything I’ve seen online corresponds with Fondots’ explanation. I found this FDA regulation that (if I’m reading/skimming it right) pretty much stipulates that “American Cheese” is a “pasteurized process” cheese, which means (among other things) it includes emulsifiers. It also points out that “American Cheese” is made by processing other cheeses, which may include Swiss, but Swiss is just one of many options.

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    Get some cheddar. Get some Monterey Jack (or pepper jack, if you like,). Shred them and blend the two. Proportions don’t matter.

    Lots of butter in a heavy pan (cast iron, carbon steel. Or something, whatever you can.) the thin aluminum non stick pan need not apply,)

    Keep the heat low and slow melt some butter in the pan. Enough so it melts into the bread. Let it go on one side until golden. More butter. More melty.

    Enjoy.

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    3 days ago

    Homie, you know not what you are doing.

    Mayo on outside of bread slices (trust me)

    American cheese (any sort) + Pepper Jack or something like it (I use a ghost pepper cheese)

    Pre heat your skillet and be patient for both sides. (I wait for the cheese to drip down before turning and removing)

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    I’ve never heard of using cheeze wiz for that, so basically any sliced cheese.

    I’m fond of a brie, parmesan mix on sourdough with some herbs.

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    Whiz would run out from between the bread before the bread ever gets toasted, what sort of cursed meal is this?

    Any good cheese, low and slow so the bread gets nice and golden brown.

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    Not sure what’s available where you are, but in the US, Craft American Cheese (not the generic “cheese food” versions) is what you are looking for.

    Craft singles might work, as well, but I haven’t ever used them.

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      3 days ago

      “Kraft” is the brand, not that I’m endorsing them by any means. Most of their products are shit, but their singles are the right product for grilled cheese sammidges.

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        Good catch. Haven’t used their singles, but the deli sliced American definitely works well (although I’ve been known to make grilled cheese with pretty much any cheese on hand).