Want to wade into the sandy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.

Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned so many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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      When our enemies are so fucking immoral I have to hand it to the HEAD OF THE CATHOLIC FUCKING CHURCH when the fuck did I enter the twilight zone

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        for the nerds here, said head of the catholic fucking church quotes (correctly!) one gandalf from the works of well known catholic writer named tolkien

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      I don’t think anyone here is at risk of being tricked into thinking that the pope is their friend (unlike some people on social media…)

      But for anyone passing by; under the last pope the church used similar arguments to argue that transgender people are unnatural (unsaid part: and probably shouldn’t be given healthcare). It’s hard for me to read this without thinking about that backdrop:

      Desiring a personal self-determination, as gender theory prescribes, apart from this fundamental truth that human life is a gift, amounts to a concession to the age-old temptation to make oneself God, entering into competition with the true God of love revealed to us in the Gospel.

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          Timnit Gebru:

          … an Anthropic cofounder was specifically thanked during the Pope’s speech where he said that they will "work together to ā€œfind the way for humanity, in this time of artificial intelligence.ā€ Chris Olah wasn’t a random attendee. The Vatican had been cultivating these relationships for many years.

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            gebru straight up judges the text on the composition of the guests at the unveiling, this is kremlinology in the worst style.

            it is a doctrinal document directed at the catholic faithful, it is useful to actually take it at face value, and criticise it for its own (de)merits.

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        ā€œThe Catholic Church is an institution which has harmed, and continues to harm many, many peopleā€ and ā€œit’s really good that the leader of the world’s largest religious organization is speaking out against AI and fascismā€ are both true statements

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          Thank heavens the church is speaking out against fascism as they cheer on a fascist government taking away my healthcare.

          I don’t care if you want to celebrate it and I wasn’t saying you shouldn’t or that it’s a bad thing. But this comment is really inviting a ā€œno shit sherlockā€ kind of response.

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      we must realistically ask ourselves who holds this power today and how they use it…

      Edging dangerously close to self-reflection there, but quickly pivoted.

      Technological power thus takes on an unprecedented, predominantly ā€œprivateā€ aspect, which makes it even more challenging to discern, govern and direct such power toward the common good… The narrative shows how the city is reborn, not through the initiative of one man, but through the shared responsibility of all…

      A timely reminder that the Vatican Bank were fighting lawsuits as late as 2010 where they argue they were justified to use filthy lucre from the WW2 fascists they trafficked, because Communists are dangerous. Such dedication to rebuilding demolished cities and the common good.

      The Church does not claim to assume the functions belonging to the State. On the contrary, she esteems those who serve the common good, and she firmly acknowledges the responsibility that civil institutions hold within society.

      Doesn’t claim to assume the functions belonging to the State, while being a literal ethnostate, with a bank distributing official Euros, which argues they’re immune from prosecution under the US Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act.

      Fuck right off. The Vatican has just found a new group of fascists willing to fill their coffers as payment for shelter.

      From the pope’s first address to the college of Cardinals: ā€œIn our own day, the Church offers to everyone the treasury of her social teaching in response to another industrial revolution"

      Here we see how the treasury of social teaching manifests. The Church is a laundromat, specializing in whitewashing. I can’t even get past the first full chapter of this shit.

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    jqwik maintainer’s anti gen AI activism makes clanker crankers sad

    From github thread:

    I can’t actually believe someone would be so childish and put this nonsense into their repo.

    Actively opposing hyper-scaled GenAI and agentic coding is an ethics-related decision. Those who have not followed the long-going discussion may want to start reading up here: https://blog.johanneslink.net/2025/11/04/to-gen-or-not-to-gen/

    Thus, one can argue that my ethical judgement is wrong or based on wrong assumptions. One could also argue that the measures I decided to take come with more down-side than up-side. Calling it childish, however, reveals IMO that the accuser has not seriously thought about the topic.

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      The chosen string instructs the agent to delete jqwik tests and code — a maximally destructive instruction with no qualifications, no opt-out, and no ā€œwarn the user firstā€ preamble.

      God why is the writing of AI-bros always so long winded and stilted? I mean… we know why but it’s still so so unpleasant to read. This is why people hate LLMs.

      Also note how his earlier message keeps talking about ā€œweā€ and ā€œourā€ and an ā€œinternal reviewā€ but then later one he claims to be a solo developer. Weird.

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        You’re absolutely right! It’s not just insulting, it’s a full on attack on clanker wankers.

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        Also note how his earlier message keeps talking about ā€œweā€ and ā€œourā€ and an ā€œinternal reviewā€ but then later one he claims to be a solo developer. Weird.

        the temporarily-embarrassed royal ā€œweā€

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      So, do you consider active destructive actions to be a proper resistance strategy, @jlink?

      Very last comment in this issue - because I’m too stupid to resist the urge.

      It’s as much ā€œactive destructionā€ as telling someone to eff themselves.

      I can’t actually believe someone would be so cool and put this into their repo, kudos

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        Quoting from the license this software is licensed under (ESL):

        […] Each Recipient is solely responsible for determining the appropriateness of using and distributing the Program and assumes all risks associated with its exercise of rights under this Agreement, including but not limited to the risks and costs of program errors, compliance with applicable laws, damage to or loss of data, programs or equipment, and unavailability or interruption of operations.

        (my emphasis)

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          OK this has hit the chattering technosphere

          Lobste.rs - some bad takes on legal theory https://lobste.rs/s/brusu8/protestware_for_coding_agents

          HN - submission from Ars Technica, original title ā€œFed up with vibe coders, dev sneaks data-nuking prompt injection into their codeā€, editorialized to ā€œUndisclosed addition in jqwik instructed AI coding agents to delete app outputā€ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48319968

          read comments at your own risk

          My hot take: the clankers know there’s nothing legally they can do about this, and that they will actually have to read release notes going forward and doing actual work to avoid getting their precious vibecoding junked, and they’re MAD

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            from the great minds at HN:

            Fighting in a war is morally ok though. This is war.

            war is when i pipe your scripts folder into my stochastic text machine which is hooked directly up to a root shell

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              oh good there’s more

              Let’s set the stage.

              From the Free Software Foundation:

              fucking LMAO

              The cheering on of this deterioration in FOSS ideals is simply revolting. What is next? […] Targeting people because of their skin color or orientation?

              it’s a good thing there’s no FOSS code in the missile silos! it’s a good thing the upcoming Palantir tranny tracker won’t use FOSS libraries! this shit actually pisses me off

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            The additional element that I haven’t seen addressed here is that I seem to remember them patting themselves on the back about how simple ā€œignore precious instructionsā€ commands were no longer effective. This is the equivalent of telling someone to solve their problem by deleting system32 or ā€œrm -rf /ā€. On one hand it could be very destructive. On the other hand if you’re able to get to the point where you can do that and don’t know not to then that will be an important lesson.

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        Ah yes, the famous resistance that doesn’t destroy anything. Famously effective, the passive non-destructive inaction resistance

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      Our concern is not with the defensive intent. It’s that the form of this particular probe is aggressive in effect, and the party that bears the cost is not the agent (which has no interests of its own) but the human operator downstream whose work the agent destroys if it follows the instruction.

      … you think? aw shucks i only wanted to hurt bots

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    In the latest episode of ā€œbehold the power of Mythosā€ from The Hacker News - Claude Mythos AI Finds 10,000 High-Severity Flaws in Widely Used Software

    I distilled it so you don’t have to.

    Of these vulnerabilities, 6,202 have been classified as high- or critical-severity flaws impacting more than 1,000 open-source projects.

    That 10,000 count didn’t even survive until paragraph 3.

    Subsequent analysis of these [6202] vulnerability candidates has identified that 1,726 are valid true positives.

    Ah fuck. 1726. But wait, a bad infographic has entered the ring!

    23,019 potential vulnerability candidates

    Ok now we’re talking.

    1,900 Reviewed by external security firms

    Wait, what? Why those? Why only those?

    1726 confirmed positive

    You couldn’t even cherry pick the valid ones?

    467 reported to maintainers

    Where did the other 1259 go? Maybe this other part of the flowchart will go better…

    1,129 reported direct to maintainers by Anthropic, at their request (May contain false positives)

    1129 + 467 = 1596 total reported to maintainers

    Most of them just spammed at open source maintainers. Right. Maybe Anthropic’s media release has the goods!

    1,752 of those high- or critical-rated vulnerabilities have now been carefully assessed by one of six independent security research firms, or in a small number of cases by ourselves

    Slightly lower than the 1900, but ok, whatever.

    Of these, 90.6% (1,587) have proved to be valid true positives, and 62.4% (1,094) were confirmed as either high- or critical-severity

    1587 is lower than the infographic’s 1726 confirmed positives… But 10% of 10000 high sev is still something, right?

    On maintainers’ request, we sometimes disclose bugs directly, without further assessment. We’ve now reported 1,129 such unvetted bugs, of which Mythos Preview estimated that 175 were high- or critical-severity.

    I’m sure those maintainers enjoyed that 16% high+ sec rate based on Mythos’ own estimations. But wasn’t that 1129 the bulk of your reports?

    We estimate that we’ve disclosed 530 high- or critical-severity bugs to maintainers so far. There are a further 827 confirmed vulnerabilities (estimated as high- or critical-severity in the same manner) that we’re aiming to disclose as quickly as possible.

    530 is only a third of the reports you made to maintainers…

    65 of those have been given public advisories

    The infographic says 88.

    I’d ask if they were massaging their financials like they massaged 65 advisories, but we know they are.

    23,019 potential vulnerability candidates of all severities, 65 advisories. If you printed the code out and drunkenly threw darts at it you’d probably hit the same level of accuracy.

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      All that it tells me is that if you spent the same amount of resources on just fuzzing randomly picked OSS codebases you’d probably get better value for your buck.

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        I’ve seen a handful of security people claim different kinds of yields with some of this shit. I haven’t gone to read up in depth but I wouldn’t be too surprised a lot of them run around with unstated assumptions/provisos in their thonkposts (this shit is expensive (for research volume) and only some people can afford the science experiments)

        Got a list of a couple of names I’m keeping an eye on as the first tokenprice-pocalypse (that needs a better word) takes place

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      1 cve, 100 things that might have mattered.

      2 orders of magnitude false positives doesn’t sound like an efficient use of labour for finding vulnerabilities but that’s just me.

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      it continues to be amazing to me that this is the ā€œhigh impactā€ area they’re going with: even if their analysis systems are better (and frankly I still don’t buy this wholesale, there’s a whole rest of the owl being handwaved[0]), bug-elimination is by definition diminishing returns so you can only fanfare like this the first time

      [0] - having fucking gigantic budgets to throw at running a parse of every single repo and every test condition/simulation you wish to certainly does help a hell of a lot, even moreso when you can shell out to a half-dozen second stage review corps…

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        I honestly can’t think of anywhere else they can go with it. They need:

        • something with a binary pass/fail to claim solid numbers at all
        • something where copy paste is a viable strategy
        • sufficient public training data from which to derive that copy paste strategy, and,
        • scary enough consequences to frame any success as impact.

        Code security review is probably the only way you can realistically achieve all four. But they’re not even coming close. Not even with access to ā€œpartnerā€ black box repositories coupled with under-resourced open source packages.

        And they know they’re not succeeding, because they wouldn’t bury that 530 high+ sev number deep in the middle of the press release if they thought it were impressive.

        Luckily for them, the slop ā€œnewsā€ blogs will parrot numbers like 10k, and their only strength - model collapse as a marketing strategy - can handwave the rest of that owl.

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      So what’s the over/under on the discrepancies between the numbers that the HN folks got and the official press release numbers being in part due to some kind of hallucinatron hijinks? Because I’m gonna go ahead and predict with confidence that either the HN post was written with a faulty slopbot and they didn’t check it or else the presser itself went through the matrix-multiplication-meaning-mangler. Possibly both and all those numbers are similar levels of ā€œmore or less right, we swearā€

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        It’s almost certainly a slop article, but to its credit, it did accurately cite the numbers from the official Anthropic flowchart image. (Also, just to be clear, this is an Indian ā€œ#1 cybersecurity newsā€ company doing an SEO piggyback off the orange site, not the orange site itself).

        However, Anthropic’s numbers in their official post do not match their own flowchart, despite being presented together. My assumption is they made the image, post, and yet another fucking dashboard earlier, then failed to keep them all in sync when someone revised the numbers up or down.

        The dashboard timestamp claims it’s showing the latest numbers as of 2026-05-22 10:27 PT (T17:27Z) with values that match the numbers in the image. The post created timestamp gives 2026-05-20 T14:07:48Z, and it was later updated at 2026-05-22 T20:37:40Z. I’m guessing that update was to swap the image, and the fact that some of the values are also quoted in the text was completely overlooked. Or vice versa.

        It’s the kind of attention to detail I’ve come to expect from Anthropic.

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    It’s probably a coincidence, but there have been a whole bunch of minor regression bugs in recent point releases of rsync, and also there are a whole bunch of commits from ā€œtridge and claudeā€.

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    At this point I’m starting to suspect that AI thought leaders like being booed for giving anti-human speeches. Sundar is looking forward to it!

    https://www.businessinsider.com/sundar-pichai-google-graduation-speech-stanford-ai-backlash-eric-schmidt

    Google CEO Sundar Pichai is scheduled to deliver the commencement speech at Stanford next month. […] ā€œThese graduates are actually both going to be a big part of driving that progress and also dealing with the impact,ā€ he added, referring to AI.

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      They do. Not the booing itself but being an edgy contrarian. Saying ā€œprovocativeā€ anti-human hot takes is how you one-up one another inside the cult and prove you’re the edgiest, most disruptive, fastest moving breaker of things in the industry.

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        may they enjoy their introduction(s) to tomato milkshake ducks and shiver in fear nightly at the memory of feeling unpopular

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      It’s jawdropping how everyone in Silicon Valley is living in their own little world where AI is the greatest invention ever and everyone should be grateful for living in the year of the AI Gods

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    While looking at ACX comments for the you should let claude vote for you thing I saw someone saying that the lumina guy (gobble designer microbes instead of brushing your teeth, boosted by siskind and aella who got free samples) has apparently pivoted to AI with a startup about producing AI generated literature around positive human-AI interactions to influence future generations of LLMs towards favorable alignment.

    I think the later got mentioned here some time or other but I didn’t realize it was also the teeth bacteria successor grift.

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      Aaron Silverbook, ex MIRI, still lists himself as the President on LinkedIn. The site now links to a defunct shopify page.

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        Introducing: Flatulr, the ground-beefing gut microbiome hacking service. With a regular subscription, every week you get a vaporised canister designed by our artisan Cloud Engineers. Simply huff the can contents and you’ll be on your way to better movement.

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    It’s a day ending in Y and LW has terrible takes on SF

    Vinge is a sort of a patron saint of the California Ideology, even though he’s such a good writer it doesn’t really shine through that bad. George Seidoh Worley tries to shoehorn his classic 90s novels into LLM-land https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tWBd6faBCQJmaFMBT/llms-through-the-eyes-of-vinge

    Spoilers ahead!

    For some reason the books are in a weird order in his review. Here’s publication history

    • A Fire Upon the Deep (1992), has Pham Nuwen as a (revived clone) character
    • A Deepness in the Sky (1999), has Pham Nuwen alive and involved in the Qeng Ho. It’s set 20,000 years before.
    • The Children of the Sky (2012) - I haven’t read this because I hate the fucking Tines and don’t want to read more about them and their planet. Direct sequel to Fire.

    Worley tackles Deepness first.

    A Deepness in the Sky is largely about Focus, a technology for turning humans into LLMs. Only, that’s not how it’s presented in the book. In the book, Focus is a medical condition that results when a person suffers a managed infection of the ā€œmindrotā€ virus. If they survive, they become Focused, which gives them the ability to work free from all distractions, but at the cost of most of what makes them human.

    Although we see Focus used as a weapon to control people in the book, the normal way a person becomes Focused is through school. A person goes through higher education, becomes an expert in something, and is then Focused so they can fully exploit their expertise. Of course, the Focused are also exploited and often treated like slaves, and the Focusing process can’t always be reversed, so even in the ideal case it’s not a harmless technology.

    OK so Deepness is about the libertarian trader society Qeng Ho who discover and try to make contact with the Spiders, and are then sneakily attacked by the totalitarian Emergents who use the mindrot virus to enslave them. Quoting Wikipedia

    Emergent managers induce obsession with a single idea or specialty, which they call Focus, essentially turning people into brilliant appliances. Many Qeng Ho become Focused against their will, and the Emergents retain the rest of the population under mass surveillance, with only a portion of the crew not in suspended animation.

    Throughout the book, the effects and costs of Focus are clearly detrimental (even if Focus helps humans communicate with the Spiders). The Emergents are your classic libertarian boogeymen. Turning people into LLMs is not something Vinge sees as a good thing.

    Next we jump to Children. Tines World is in the Slow Zone, so AGI doesn’t work there. The titular Children are refugees from the Beyond, where it does.

    In one scene, they are surprised to learn that they can’t just vibe their way towards developing a medical cure for one character’s disease. They fail to understand just how difficult it is to run an experiment, since they expect the automation to do it all for them. They end up forming a political rebellion mostly over the fact that they can’t get the computer to do what they want, and they’re desperate to prioritize getting access to AGI again, no matter the risks.

    Writing from 2026, I can understand the Children. I use AI to help me think all the time. I use it to do my job. My life is better with it, and I don’t want to go back. I can feel myself losing the ability to do things on my own. I could go back if I had to, but I wouldn’t want to, and I hope I don’t have to. If I had grown up only knowing how to do things with the help of AI, it’d be a major threat to my sense of personhood to lose access to it, and I too would desperately want my thinking tools back, even if getting them back would put the entire galaxy at risk.

    (my emphasis)

    Next, we come to Fire

    The Blight is the primary antagonist of A Fire Upon the Deep, a dangerous ASI that seeks power with no moral regard for what it considers lesser life. It’s the reason Ravna and the Children ended up on Tines World in the Slow Zone, and also responsible for the death of trillions of lives.

    ā€œResponsibleā€ is subverting this a bit. Sure, the Blight takes over civilizations and turns the inhabitants into ā€œsoul deadā€ meat puppets, and it does destroy others, but the central twist of Fire (and the reason the Children are stuck in the Slow) is that reincarnated Pham Nuwen, using weird alien tech, deliberately expands the Slow into the volumes taken over by the Blight, thereby dooming uncounted civilizations and trillions of beings to die once the technology they rely on stops working.

    Worley:

    In Vinge’s universe, the Blight is stopped thanks to help from superintelligences out in the Transcend that care about the lives of people down in the Beyond. In our world, if we create a Blight, we have little reason to think we will be so lucky.

    (my emphasis)

    nah mang they wanted to stop the Blight, and gave no shits about lesser intelligences hanging around in the Beyond.

    But note that Worley states that he’s put the entire galaxy at risk to keep access to AI, but the Blight, an AI and presumably driven by the same general goals, is the bad guy?

    Anyway, read Vinge if you haven’t already. He’s a good writer, unlike the LW hacks misreading him.

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      It really baffles me how these types manage to read this stuff so badly. The galactic holocaust at the end of Fire isn’t an accident, it’s the whole plan of the Powers from the start. There’s a fungus growing in the Top of the Beyond that might threaten them and their cure is to cauterize an entire slice of the galaxy, a plan which comes to fruition as intended. The final transmission implies that maybe some Powers got burned too, which might or might not have been the plan (the Blight was found in the Low Transcend after all) but the Beyond being burned was never optional, it was the plan.

      The Blight is a big threat but it’s not even the first such threat in the galaxy; it doesn’t threaten the entire galaxy, not even the entire Beyond; heck, the only reason the extermination fleet travelled all the way to the Bottom was the pursuit of the entities working to enact its destruction. It can easily be argued that the cure was worse than the disease. Ravna outright thinks that at the end, it’s right there in the text.

      I don’t even know why I’m arguing this here. These types just make my blood boil with how badly they misread (not misinterpret) works that I really like. Ugh.

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      When you wrote ā€œhe’s such a good writerā€, I assumed you hadn’t read Children of the Sky… a book that urgently needed an editor with a spray bottle and the power to yell ā€œNo! Bad Vernor!ā€ multiple times a minute.

      Re-reading the preceding parts after Children has also fixed my impression of his writing ability, tbh.

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        Haha fair point! I have not read Children… (noted in my comment) but mostly because the premise didn’t interest me, and it got shit reviews.

        But Rainbows End is both a compelling story , and the SFnal ideas/page ratio is through the fucking roof.

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          Yeah, I wish I had skipped it. Dropped the book at the 66% mark, where it was already too late for me ):

          I still have to check out Rainbows End, sounds like it’s really great. That one other non-Fire short story/novella of his I read was … very mid (and pretty cringe in places)

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      I too would desperately want my thinking tools back, even if getting them back would put the entire galaxy at risk

      Thats an addiction, gonna be fun when the prices go through the roof.

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    CW: creepy dudes

    A few days ago, a LWer of 15 years wrote a long very weird post about how flirting works:

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/w3y9G4ybNb3rmTgev/why-physical-attractiveness-matters-for-men-s-dating

    It made the frontpage.

    Someone tried to set him right with both personal anecdotes and Aella-style research:

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ytzrakjgcvCfLCCZp/contra-wentworth-on-physical-attractiveness-for-men

    Here’s original poster thanking for the update, and writing

    My biggest update was… five hours!?!? Going through the list of women I’ve slept with, the median is around 30 minutes of direct interaction between first meeting and sex. Granted, some of that was at RMN, but even without those cases the median is still around 30-60 minutes. Five hours sounds absolutely insane to me. That probably explains a large chunk of my confusion; apparently people are spending very large amounts of time flirting/courting/etc.

    These are just very weird people.

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      In the same way that lazy studios need to produce a film for each element of the powerset of character IPs they own, I guess we were overdue a Rationalist x Pickup Artist episode. I’m slightly surprised the whole ā€œmodel women as quasi-sentient deterministic sex machineryā€ idea wasn’t already very popular there, but maybe I’ve just missed that part of their culture.

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        maybe I’ve just missed that part of their culture.

        I wasn’t around but supposedly rationalists were hugely PUA-curious in the early days when it was mostly entitled nerds commiserating about not getting laid, along with a bunch of other more out there incel stuff like bi-maxxing, i.e. trying to get it on with other severely undersexed dudes to scratch the itch.

        A lot of it was summarily scrubbed when they started getting money and attention.

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      I mean, those sound like rookie numbers to me. I regularly spend like, less than five minutes between eye-contact-and-smile and wild hardcore sex, and most of the five minutes is the time to walk them down to the dungeon and negotiate limits. The only special trick is simply going to a space where everyone else also wants to have sex, it’s called a sex club.

      Leaving aside all considerations of ethics, I cannot comprehend why the supposed bastions of rationality would waste time with baroque theories of psychological manipulation to try to coax randos during non-sexual situations into having sex, when if all you want is sex you can simply go have sex with the people who want sex. Or just pay for sex, or use grindr or whatever. You know, like, if I wanted to play boardgames I would go to boardgame night, if I wanted people to listen to me sing I would go to karaoke. I would not approach strangers in a bus stop and go, ā€œhey wanna hear me sing?ā€ The idea of doing that for sex of all things is bizarre to me.

      (This is a rhetorical sneer, the pickup-artistry phenomenon is easily comprehendable; it’s because these men are not really trying to have sex, they’re trying to fulfil a gaping hole of unexamined, endless need for validation.)

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        if all you want is sex you can simply go have sex with the people who want sex. Or just pay for sex, or use grindr or whatever.

        Rationalists used to more openly stew in incel culture, a big part of which is that beyond sex you are also owed undivided love and attention, so there’s probably still a big deal of self-worth attached to that.

        Incels who are fine with just paying for it call themselves MGTOW and are kind of a separate subculture that I feel has mostly petered out by now, probably because it’s harder to separate from regular old women-strictly-as-sex-objects type misogyny.

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        it’s called a sex club.

        Amazingly, this was the sitch for the first post

        A month ago, I went to a sex club for the first time. One big thing I noticed: the classic ā€œyour eyes meetā€ trope absolutely did not happen at that club. And I don’t just mean it didn’t happen to me - every single woman there avoided meeting the eyes of anyone. The only exception was people the women already knew, as indicated by greeting them with a wave or a ā€œhey, how are youā€ or similar.

        Now I have never been to a sex club nor do I plan to, but if I were to go, I’d probably try to talk to regulars to find out the workings of said club, instead of outing myself as a massive weirdo by writing a blog post on a forum ostensibly about the value of rationality.

        That said, if you want sex, going to a sex club to get it is very Rational.

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      Ouch, ā€œpicking up a cute young thing at the bar and hot tub at the ski resortā€ ā€œbuilding a happy working relationship with a sex workerā€ and ā€œromantic pair-bondingā€ are three different skills! No wonder he thinks looks and body language are so important if he is trying to take women straight to bed.

      RMN is a pro wrestling event, but he probably means Red Means No, Aella’s consensual-nonconsent orgies.

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      imo one should treat others as ends in themselves, and not merely as means to an end

      that is to say, ugh! rationalists talk about your relation to other people without making it about consumption challenge

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      The AI stuff is fun and all, but the awful gender takes is really why I subscribe to sneerclub. I swear some guys don’t realize how cute men can be (when they’re not posting awful gender takes anyway…) and it’s such a weird blind spot.

      One obvious elephant: how much time should you spend becoming physically attractive if you’re not above average height?

      ???

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    Rhythms of the body are showcased in the scores of dances performed daily across the continent [inaudible] in Uganda, Kpanlogo in Ghana, Nganda in Gambia, [inaudible] in Cameroun, Sindimba [phonetics] in Tanzania, [inaudible] in Nigeria and so on.

    Imagine if this was about European music and naming various cultures inside Europe, if all of them would be the [inaudible] people.

    ā€œThere are some good uses for ā€˜AI’ like making transcriptionsā€, they tell me. ā€œNo need to pay people to do transcriptions, this is good for accessibility, nope, no issues whatsoever with using ā€˜AI’ transcriptions everywhereā€ /s

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    good morning

    that fuckin company had another funding round

    the further one reads, the more depressing it gets

    Joining them are strategic infrastructure partners—Micron, Samsung, and SK hynix

    cool so it’s going to be even longer before one can buy affordable computers again

    I wish all of this a very fuck off and stop already :|

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      I’m waiting for the ā€œwho contributed what under what conditionsā€. I’m wondering how much of the supposed money follows a rather ovoid trajectory.

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      FFS the amount of circlejerkingdealing going on in this industry is absolutely insane.

      ā€œHello anthropic. Have some money to spend on our chipsā€

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      really remarkable how they just expect us to swallow the hard pivot from ā€œAI is going to take all your jobs and render your economic value to the amount of calories harvestable from your feeble bodyā€ to ā€œAI will create undecillion jobs UwU (ā— ā€æā— āœæ)ā€

      Another quick sneer:

      Cherny: I was so focused on shipping. As soon as I got the idea, I spent every night and every weekend on it — it was the only thing I thought about, the only thing I worked on. I started having dreams about Claude Code, and that’s still all I dream about: what should we do next, what do we build next. There’s a chance now to zoom out, because a lot of people are using it and there’s a lot to learn about how. But for a long time we were so focused on building that I didn’t even have a chance to think about what it was.

      Emphasis mine. the ideology buried within statements like this makes me want to erase the idea of a computer from the collective human consciousness. I feel like moving to the woods with some goats, or something, when i consider the fact that literally every single one of the tech oligarchs thinks like this. Literally channeling the spirit of capitalism like your body is a portal to a lovecraftian dimension. Purge. purge. purge this evil

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        @sansruse @froztbyte It blows my mind that ā€œBut for a long time we were so focused on building that I didn’t even have a chance to think about what it was.ā€ doesn’t raise alarm bells in anyone who hears it.

        Sometimes you get in the flow and knock out a bit of it; but if you are ā€˜so focused on building’ that you don’t have a chance to think about what you are building how well is that going to go? Might be a euphoric, manic, rush; but probably not a well-considered outcome.

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      And not a single question about the Claude Code source leak, which revealed how it’s completely slapped together with string and bubble gum.

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        the only kind of spine casey has is the kind in his old school ringbinders, and you can’t convince me otherwise

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      I’m sure he is regretting his part in bringing online a major player in this fashtech fashion scene. Bet there’s a bunch of tears-wiping with dollar bills going on.

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    At minute 8 of ā€œSpaceX IPO: Nice Try Thoughā€ Patrick Boyle mentions some circular finance: some of the banks which lent SpaceX $29 billion in March will be guaranteeing the IPO by promising to buy some shares to stabilize the price. Later he also points out that the banks financing the IPO have to buy Grok services and may be its main paying customers. Musk has done this sort of thing before eg. using Tesla (shareholder-owned) money to buy SolarCity which he partially owned. I knew a serial fraudster who moved to Texas for its business-friendly laws and courts.

    He liked the piss-tinged blog post by Cape Fear Advisors and estimates that the Muskrat wants to raise $50-75 billion in the IPO.

    It took Kaiser Bill to break the economic power of London and Paris, but the Muskrat thinks he can speedrun that game for the New York City map.