There’s been lots of misleading headlines on this, but this is the first time they didn’t at least include the full quote in the article…
“We’ll continue to provide military assistance to Israel until they get rid of Hamas, but we have to be careful – they have to be careful,” Biden said. “The whole world’s public opinion can shift overnight, we can’t let that happen.”
He’s not criticizing Netanyahu, and he’s still saying he’ll support him no matter what.
But for literal decades now Biden has been saying that to Israels government, and they’ve literally never listened, and Biden has never stopped supporting them.
Why the fuck are people acting like either is going to suddenly happen now?
Supporting Israel is not the same as supporting Netanyahu.
Biden and Netanyahu have a decades-long relationship that has at times been strained. At the Monday evening reception, Biden said he once gifted Netanyahu a photo and wrote at the top: “I love you but I don’t agree with a damn thing you had to say.”
“It’s about the same today,” Biden said, adding he’d “had my differences with some Israeli leadership.”
Sounds like he’s criticizing Netanyahu.
It sounds like he loves Netanyahu
Because people are desperate to think Biden is a good person.
We voted against trump and so people want to defend their choice.
The problem is there is no defense for his actions.
This is like 3 weeks over due. Cmon man
Appreciate progress when it happens, even if it’s late.
So…
You haven’t seen any of the posts with his full quote where he doubles down on the US supporting them anyways?
He’s not mad at the genocide. He’s mad Israel isnt hiding it well.
He’s been saying this to Israel for about 50 years now. They’ve never listened to him. And he’s never stopped supporting them.
People need to stop giving credit for shit he’s not doing
“We’ll continue to provide military assistance to Israel until they get rid of Hamas, but we have to be careful – they have to be careful,” Biden said. “The whole world’s public opinion can shift overnight, we can’t let that happen.”
What progress has Biden made? Fuck him.
While I 100% agree with you, we don’t know the full story of what has happened behind closed doors. I’m hopeful that this is not the first time he has warned Israel that they’re being giant douches and the world is starting to hate you.
He is still fucking supporting them, though!
Dude is 80 years old. He gets there when he gets there.
He’s not there, he’s just telling Bibi to get better PR guys.
Didnt the US just veto a cease fire agreement? How can the us president critisize indiscriminate bombing but veto an attempt to stop it?
How can the us president critisize indiscriminate bombing but veto an attempt to stop it?
Easy. Biden is simply posturing for purposes of damage control - the massive failure of the pro-Israeli propaganda machine has taken the US political establishment by complete surprise (it is probably also calculated to “distance” Biden from the predictable batshit pro-Israeli posturing GOP candidates are going to be oozing next year).
massive failure of the pro-Israeli propaganda machine has taken the US political establishment by complete surprise
Can you elaborate more on this?
Oh… it’s just this.
Nearly 40 years of uncountable amounts of treasure spent peddling Israel to the world and specifically the US - and it’s coming to an end.
Israel used to have good propaganda to justify their war crimes. Recently they have dropped all pretense and now they just go
“Yeah we want to genocide all Palestinians and steal their land, and America will support us no matter what”.
They’re saying the quiet part out loud.
Also all the IDF propaganda such as the 40 beheaded babies and the hospital base instantly being debunked has started to show just how much israel is lying to justify their colonialism.
Probably cause he wants to please the republicans by helping Israel and also please the dems by telling the IDF to at least try and limit the civilian casualties. He really should just pick a lane here.
Lmao the cope. Biden is not trying to please any Republicans. Biden is 100% owned by AIPAC. He has for the last 50 years unconditionally supported israel no matter how bad their crimes. Genocide Joe is a foreign agent.
A vote for Biden is a vote for israel.
“Keep indiscriminately killing children and families 3 or 400 more times and we may not support you anymore!”
Biden basically said “I will always support israel no matter how much genocide they do, but the Europeans are starting to stop their support and the rest of the world hates israel with a passion now”
“Just because we keep sending you bombs, doesn’t mean you have to use them all!”
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Except the bombing isn’t indiscriminate. The IDF/war cabinet have a pretty good idea how many civilians they’ll have to murder* in order to kill Hamas members hiding amongst the populace.
They’re leveraging AI to build ‘target packages’ using data from extensive drone and/or satellite footage. Locate a militant, track their movements, and the AI can roll back the footage and count how many people entered and left the building beforehand.
Targeted killings like we saw in Jenin during this summer/fall are ethically and legally tenuous, but at least a hit squad doesn’t level entire buildings…
*Yes, murder. If you know with strong confidence that your actions will kill someone/several someone’s, and do it anyway? That’s no longer ‘the fog of war caused an error’ it’s very deliberate act of violence aimed at the populace
aimed at the populace
Well if the article is correct, it’s still aimed at the militants
Yes they are aiming militants, never said they’re consciously targeting the populace, just appalled at their indifference towards civilian deaths as ‘acceptable’.
The IDF/war council is seemingly a-okay if they have to kill 10, 50, 200+ civilians to get at Hamas mid-level commanders - is that okay with you?
Well if you agree that it’s a question of how far you’re willing to move the slider, it’s a question of empathy. But when you say “aimed at the populace” that implies you believe they’re using Hamas as an excuse to kill innocent civilians.
Do you honestly believe Israel would not prefer Hamas to assemble somewhere in the desert away from any civilians so they can take all of them out with a single bomb? Do you believe the Israelis would be sad if Hamas surrendered?
Again, the displayed indifference towards civilian suffering is the core issue. Declaring the south as a ‘safe zone’ pre-ceasefire was a moral move (with disasterous humanitarian results), but now the safe areas are capricious defined and aren’t static,
Regarding the “one bomb in the desert” question? Any other year, yes I’m sure they’d prefer that. But Bibi was already in serious legal trouble before Oct.7 and is openly deferring that issue until after the Hamas war. Keeping the conflict open, progressing slowly, or unresolved buys him time to find a way to stay out of jail.
Is this an excuse for wanton murder of Gazans? You tell me? Certain elements of the coalition have openly made statements that at best call for displacement of Palestinians. Cutting off fuel, food, and water to a region under blockade, while those people are displaced and simultaneously refusing to allow aid in is ghoulish.
Not worried about killing kids just worried how it will make him look.
It’s the neoliberal way.
A few hundred dead Palestinian kids isn’t going to worry a wealthy neoliberal. Not their kids, not their country.
But “bombing targets going unbombed” fundamentally means “profits going unprofited” and that’s an idea that brings a neoliberal out in a cold sweat.
Ultimately, Biden’s statement is just his part in the pantomime. He’s doing the “left-wing neoliberal” thing where he does exactly the same horrific shit as the right-wing neoliberals, but he frowns while he does it.
If he doesn’t frown hard enough, he might lose the election, but it’s not going to stop the children being blown up or the neoliberals profiting from it.
Did he finally figure out that supporting Israel through this isn’t a good look for him?
He still supports Israel. He’s trying to thread a needle.
He’s a silent gen nursing home patient who’s in the white house because our political system can’t do any better. He needs to drop out of the race
Seems pretty coherent to me when I’ve watched his speeches. Depending on what news you pay attention to, they paint him as a bumbing baffon who’s lost his mental facilities, which I don’t think that’s fair to say about someone unless that’s actually happening (such as for trump).
He does have a speech impediment though, which from what I understand he spent years trying to fix, so that’s easy to chalk up to him losing his mental facilities if you take stuff out of context…
What you could do instead of focusing on the fact that he’s old, is talking about some of his shit policies, or the fact that he should step aside and let the new generation of leaders take over, ya know, ones who will actually be affected by the coming climate crisis, and other major world events ahead.
I don’t know why everyone is always so cavalier about causal agism.
I’m so tired, so very tired of the theater of American politics using human lives as sacrificial pawns, all so that the song and dance can continue for time immortal. There’s no end in sight, is there?
2 months ago they cut off electricity, gas, food and water and now they lose support?
Surely a sharp finger-wagging will get them to stop
Bibi stepped in it by announcing that he out and out rejected the US proposal. Bibi also has no fan club among most American Jews.
Where are they getting those bombs!!! Fucking world governments.
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