Yes, i’m one of the pre-alpha tester. It’s supposed to be release around 2022 but it got leaked late 2019, so they have to put out an early access version right away.
No.
I do think it leaked from a lab in Wuhan, but not that it was on purpose. Keeping viruses contained is difficult. One slipup, or one incompetent person, and and it’s out.No.
This is almost definitely correct.
I do think it leaked from a lab in Wuhan, but not that it was on purpose.
This, however, is possible, but probably false. The consensus among virologists is that the virus crossed to humans at the Wuhan animal market, not the lab. As I say, it’s possible and scientists are still looking into it. We don’t know the exact mechanism by which the virus first infected humans, but the market is more likely.
It makes most sense that it came from the lab where such viruses were studied. But there was a cover-up.
It makes total sense if you ignore the epidemiological and genetic evidence that it came from the seafood market and instead hallucinate a ton of non-existing evidence it came from the lab.
There’s no evidence to support the lab-leak theory at this time.
I could just as easily say it makes most sense that it came from bats which we know carried the virus and were sold at the market. But the criteria here isn’t which of us can put together a sentence that sounds plausible and coherent, but what the people who actually study this stuff say, and they mostly believe that it’s unlikely it came from the lab (different source this time, just to be clear!).
When you say this, you get downvoted. But we remember the news lying to us.
Is my boss (virologist) lying too?
Yea the old trust me bro, my “boss” knows shit.
I mean, I also remember ‘the news’ telling the truth. The question isn’t ‘Does the news always tell the truth?’ (No), but ‘What are the actual facts in this case?’
They were calling you racist for even suggesting that is came from China.
It did not leak from a lab. It was discovered there because they regularly test people.
Usually when these kinds of questions are asked, people get mad. They are just questions after all… But I like your answer.
Just Asking Questions (JAQing off) is a thing, it’s a form of trolling where people who either already have a POV or aren’t really actually interested in answers engage in discussion, typically in bad faith.
For example if you ask “do you think COVID-19 was engineered…” (given the conspiracy theorism inherent in the topic) and someone replies with an answer (no) to which you think reply “yes but virus can be easily engineered and released” and every response contains some variant of “I’m just asking a question”. You can probably see how it fits a pattern.
The correct response to a question like this is "are you looking for an answer or for an argument? "
I am not JAQing off, lol. I didn’t even know that was a thing.
I’m not saying you are necessarily (I also find it unfortunate in terms of acronyms lol). I’m just saying how it comes off a certain way and why people may interpret it that way and may be engaging with it as such.
Oh, I see.
No. It’s pretty much concluded to have crossed to humans in a wet market.
Ultimately, no I dont think it was on purpose. Though there are some scenarios where it would make sense but personally I dont see enough evidence to support those scenarios. I doubt it was even accidental release.
If it was on purpose, then it was likely supposed to be a bioweapon. But it affected the country that the biolab functioned in REALLY badly. So unless the purpose was to cull the population there and maybe use that as cover to cause damage to rest of the world too I dont think it was on purpose. Also I doubt china would let foreign controlled viral biolab exist, so foreign influence is also quite remote possibilty. Foreign sabotage is plausible though but there is no way to even speculate about that. But if that was the case, i think china would be much more irate about things(and i dont think anyone could pull something like that without leaving ANY traces for chinese intelligence agencies to even suspect).
So the on purpose scenario would require that complete psychopats with taste for blood are in charge, accidental release of bioweapon scenario would mean complete idiots are in charge. One would imply more would follow, another that either idiots are no longer in charge or also more would follow.
There is also possibility of commercial reason; develop a virus, release it and sell cure for it. I think the “shareholders” wouldn’t let the disease to fade away this much, or become more mild. I’m not sure how fast they did develop vaccines for it though. If its simply not possible to go from 0 to something that can be distributed to masses so fast, then some work would have had been done even before the outbreak. But I think there would have been at least some hints at some point, cant keep stuff like this 100% secret forever.
Now you are thinking. I think your comment wins.
Yeah, it was meant to be a test by the overlord to determine who’s intellectually fit enough to survive and you obviously failed.
Well, shit!
No. Check out “The rest is classified” recent podcasts on COVID19 for details.
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It’s very odd how people react. Thinking that their governments would never release a bio-engineered virus to their own people. I am not saying this is the case, but still odd reactions.
To do what, exactly?
“Boss, I came up with a brilliant plan! We’re going to release a virus that mildly inconveniences a lot of people! It’ll clog hospitals in random parts of the world for a couple weeks at a time, kill a small percentage of people, and maybe even strand a single cruise ship! We’ll of course have no control over where it goes or how it mutates, and there will probably be an effective vaccine within a year.”
“Ok, Ted, that certainly sounds like a thing we could do, but FUCKING WHY?”
If you’re going to come up with a big scary government story, you need to include the part where the government had an actual plan.
You think over 22.1 million is a small number?
Yes, I think 0.28% of the world’s population is small. You still haven’t answered the question. Why, Ted? Why?
And Ebola has killed an estimated 15,000 to 16,000 people worldwide since 1976. Your comment was stupid. That is an actual low number.
No, your comment is stupid. 16,000 is a big number. 0.00000001 is a small number.
Now that we’ve established that some numbers are smaller than others: namely, that 22.1 million is smaller than 8 billion, 16,000 is smaller than 22.1 million, and 0.00000001 is smaller than 22.1 million, will you quit stalling and answer the question?
The more you dodge it, the more you prove that you have no answer. And without an answer, your entire conspiracy theory falls apart.
So I’ll ask one more time: Why would a government release this specific virus?
Was it because they had gone diamond hands in Zoom stock calls and needed to cash out? We’re all waiting.
No, your comment is stupid. Ebola killed over 16,000 since 1976. Nearly 15 million people died directly or indirectly from COVID-19 worldwide during the first two years of the pandemic! Ebola clearly is the low one.
Are you slow? Covid killed over 22.1 million within 2 years and Ebola killed over 16,000 since 1976. Ebola is clearly the smaller number. Your comment above mine is actualy retarded.
Globally over a couple of years? Yeah, tiny!
Like I said, Ebola is an actual tiny number just over 16,000 people. Not huge numbers like COVID-19.
Like I said, RPID is an actual tiny number, just around 3 people. Not a huge number like Ebola!
I call Occam’s razor, so probably not.
Do you mean Hanlon’s razor?
That’s the one, I’m a silly goose 🪿
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. While there so some people in power that absolutely would release something like this on the public, I don’t think this was deliberate. Someone just slipped up. And if humans trusted science instead of hoodoo, we could have contained it. It spread because we are dumb.
Good point, other people in the comments are spazzing out over a question.
No. The reason it was discovered in a lab isn’t because they invented it but because they regularly tested people.
Yes of course! By the lizard people obviously. Must have been then because they are reptiles, and reptiles are immune to Covid. Also, wherever chemtrails have been sighted, people were affected by Covid, so there’s another connection.
This was a great giggle, lol.
Nah
By whom? Nature doesn’t really have release schedules like humans associate with products. Evolution and cell mutation don’t give a crap about us.
Viruses can be bio-engineered and easily released. That being said, this is just a question.
With questions you imply something, so every question is a statement to an extent
A question is just a question. To see what other people think and their views. “What would you do with 1 million dollars?” That does not mean I have a million dollars.
Spending a million dollars is not an activity surrounded by conspiracy theories.
Covid-19 very much is surrounded by conspiracy theories.
See the difference?
So? This community has no rule about a conspiracy theory question if it was. You see the difference? It doesn’t matter. It is still a question.
So you don’t see the difference. Cool.
So you don’t see it doesn’t matter what kind of question it is? Cool.
Engineered bioweapons are of course a thing, but sars-cov-2 is far from that. Even at the time, I knew college kids who could probably make a more dangerous virus if they had the resources.
Covid was a slow underhand toss of what an existential threat could look like, and humanity / governments fumbled it right into a faceplant. It’s embarrassing, frankly.
All evidence and analysis of the virus point to natural origins and evolutionary pathways. There’s no evidence of editing or that it was part of gain-of-function research. The virus is relatively harmless by historic measures, but also not weak or documented enough to be used in evolutional studies. It would be far more potent if it was engineered, and it wouldn’t have been so novel if it was being used for research.
