• Keld [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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    8 hours ago

    I think if you take a maximalist interpretation of territorial waters for surrounding countries China does actually have extremely limited access to international waters. Like how they get accussed of violating Taiwanese airspace when they fly over mainland china.

  • Damarcusart [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    14 hours ago

    I think this may just be a case of really bad translation? Or difficulty with just knowing the right term. Someone from an island nation probably would struggle to find the word to describe a…continental(?) country, I would probably call a nation on a continent “landlocked” as a brainfart myself.

    Although their question about “where do the aircraft carriers go?” does make it seem like they think China is actually landlocked.

    Maybe they think Vietnam has a Chile thing going on and just stretches up along the whole coastline?

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      11 hours ago

      内陸国, used in the original non translated tweet, literally translates to “landlocked country”. 内陸 is like interior of a landmass and 国 is country

      Also if you go on their timeline their most recent retweet is some guy talking about a Chinese textbook from 1979 with no reference to the Nanjing massacre and heavily implying that because of this it’s fabricated soooooo maybe not someone worth the benefit of the doubt

      • Damarcusart [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        11 hours ago

        Yeah, probably not worth giving them the benefit of the doubt. It was more just as someone from an island nation myself, I wouldn’t really know the thing to call a not-island country, so I could see someone making a similar mistake. The rest of their tweet does show that they probably weren’t just being ignorant of the term and were trying to disparage China somehow by calling them landlocked.

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      12 hours ago

      Someone from an island nation probably would struggle to find the word to describe a…continental(?) country,

      Japanese does not lack terms for describing the geographic situation of China’s eastern coast compared to Japan. They have an extensive shared cultural heritage, including a long period of the Japanese intelligentsia sitting in China’s shadow, and then a long period of them arguing against that attitude (frequently with silly arguments like “well our monarchs are gods”), and then another, and another.

      They have catalogues of taxonomies we can barely even comprehend for talking about China, and some of it probably doesn’t translate very well, but I don’t think it would ever mistranslate as “landlocked” rather than something like continental, as you said.

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        11 hours ago

        I was erring on the side of “I’m Australian and I would probably say something dumb like that about a country that isn’t an island by mistake” but it is different when you’re speaking and misspeak vs typing something out for sure.

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          14 hours ago

          Whenever I see one of these things I do wonder how many of these people understood the question and actually tried to answer sincerely, vs how many were just putting a pin in a map at random so this person would leave them alone.

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            10 hours ago

            If you want to lose faith in our school system every year or two an AP history teacher I know has a kid that forgets the land on a Mercator map isn’t blue. They think we live on the ocean part

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            I’d be interested in seeing things like how many pinged places like Iraq. Quick ready/brain mix up could lead to pinning the wrong place.

            I’m decent at map knowledge, but I sometimes get places mixed up. Like I probably could name most countries in central and south America, but would get like 6/10 right on placing central American countries.

            Other things that I’d be interested in: Was the map presented as is? (Could explain why most of the pings are centrally located.) How was input collected? (Was it a mouse click or screen tap? Were people given multiple attempts to select before confirming?) Were other countries asked to be ID’ed? What’s the numbers if you throw out obviously wrong (ocean pings) ones? (I counted like 40 in the Atlantic, so like 2.5% were clicking the ocean.) Why is there a seemingly large cluster around Oklahoma and Greenland’s east coast AND directly off the coast?

            Another good test would be to redo the same group but ask to point to Persia. And India, Iraq, Italy. Really see if people are just being sillay or not.

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              Yeah, I was just thinking that I’d probably put a pin in Iraq or Afghanistan, especially if it is just a blank map without topography. But the methodology of this thing would be very interesting to learn about, I think that the Oklahoma cluster could be a result of most of the people being asked were Oklahoma residents and just not hearing the question, but I would really love to learn why people chose certain places on this.