I used Mullvad for a long time, but hearing about one of the two CEOs actively supporting and financing swedish Nazis, I’m looking to put my money elsewhere. That’s the second one after Private Internet Access (who supported Gab).
I had AirVPN and Surfshark being recomnended, how do people here feel? What do you use?
Commenting so I remember to check this thread later. My Mullvad expires in 5 days.
Can always count on Lemmy to raise awareness on where to not spend money!
I think people say that AirVPN is pretty goated
ivpn and airvpn are my short list, but ivpn is not looking great for the southern hemisphere due to a lack of servers down here… Northern hemisphere they would be my top choice. I have contacted them a couple of times, and they have responded the same day, were helpful, and appear genuine.
AirVpn is awesome
Curious about the software? at least on linux, the gui is very, very dated and it doesn’t even have split tunnelling I would rather stick to a gui app. I haven’t looked at their android app yet.
I really like Proton. It’s fast, it’s good.
Go to torrentfreak.com They solicit info from various VPN companies, plus report on them when they make the news.
I had SurfShark years ago but really do not recommend them. Constant problems with all traffic just stopping and then I had to call someone up to cancel my subscription as there was no option online.
Switched to AirVPN which I don’t see talked about much but it’s great. The Android app is looking a little dated (the icon in the app drawer is in a tiny circle because they have added support for adaptive icons still) but functionally I can’t complain.
I’ve been using Surfshark for over 8 years and don’t have any trouble like you mentioned. Then again, I have an ISP (Freedom Internet) I trust more than my VPN (even though i’ve not read anything bad about them) and use Surfshark only for region checks and torrenting on my NAS. I love the apps (for great on all platforms), speed and lots of exit points to choose from.
+1 for AirVPN. I’m a little worried of what happens if it becomes more mainstream (see what happened to mullvad and their port forwarding features), but they’re rock solid and still support port forwarding for p2p. They also do good black friday sales every year, you can get a steal on the 3yr package around that time.
there was an article today about the entire mullvad company being blindsided by this and a lot of people being upset. with any luck the guy will leave or get thrown out.
also i think they’re technically nazbols.
This is likely true, but in the hacker news thread about this, the non Nazi cofounder was pretty defensive about what a great guy he was, and that there was just no way that him being a Nazi could ever effect Mullvad itself:
Here’s one example, but these linked thread has more excuses hes made:
kfreds 1 day ago | root | parent | next [–]
I’m sorry to hear that. For what it’s worth I think there’s nuance in his decision that most people don’t see. Of course that doesn’t mean I think it was the right decision to make.
Here’s something worth considering: why would someone whose ideal is open borders, who has been an animal rights activist, and someone who has led Mullvad for 17 years (with the track record it has), choose to donate to this party? If you like what Daniel and I have done together over the past 17 years, and now vehemently oppose his choice to make this donation, doesn’t that make you just a little bit curious?
It made me curious. It didn’t change my ultimate stance, but it did temper my emotions about it.
https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=kfreds
That level of denial feels custom made for them to give him a pass and keep him onboard.
when you’ve known someone personally for that long you’re bound to get defensive, i think. and the question is worth considering; why?
Time will tell, his response was what prompted me to request and receive my refund though. Either bad wording, or a bad attitude towards this.
have they released an official statement about it?
not that i can find.
Isn’t he the founder?
Cofounder, and 50% owner. For him to get kicked out would take a lot.
he could be a rational human about it and see that it’s bad for the brand. considering he was willing to work with a guy that actively dislikes what he did he may have a few braincells left.
That kinda seems unlikely to me. I’m certain that he’s aware that supporting ethnic cleansing (albeit not overtly violent) is not compatible with having customers.
He has most likely purchased himself control of, or at least a position within a right wing party. There is no coming back from that. For Mullvads sake he needs to move on, and soon.
they don’t tend to see it like that from my experience. but yeah the chance is slim.
I think “would take a lot” might be understating it.
It’s likely he’d have to be bought out by the other guy with an attractive offer.
Or the other owner (Fredrik Strömberg) splits off and sets up his own vpn… Strömvad, or Mullberg, or MullStröm
co-. the other founder is pretty pissed.
This is the only reason for why I haven’t demanded a refund of my remaining balance yet. I’m holding out for a dismissal or something.
I requested and received my refund with the aim to prompt this.
Sitting on your hands suggests that you do not care about it. If they do not lose enough customers, why would anything change?
Demanding a refund could add to the pressure though, you could always renew after he (hopefully) goes. I can’t get a refund since mine has just run out but I’m not making any long-term decisions until the dust has settled.
I totally agree! It’s just that I have two routers setup with them, running 24/7, and I have configured mom’s devices with my account and I don’t have the time to reconfigure all this with something else at the moment. 😩
I’m giving it a week or two to see if anything happens while also researching alternatives
Is there other option?
There are many options. It’s important to do some research on these options. It’s also important to know why you want to choose a certain provider. Check their Terms of Service and Privacy Policy at the very least. For now, I’m looking into IVPN.
There are very few decent options, ivpn seems decent though
also i think they’re technically nazbols.
what’s a nazbol?
A Nazi, basically.
It stands for “national bolshevism,” so tankies minus the leftism, which… yeah.
National Bolsheviks, in essence merging nazism with communism.
National Bolsheviks, in essence merging nazism with communism.
Nazism+
what an awful idea
That’s why the bolsheviks purged them.

Like this?
Yes! Alternatively you can just put an Z there too, same meaning.
national bolsheviks. basically ultranationalist tankies.
Link to the article?
from the same paper that did the original reporting. swedish and paywalled unfortunately, but the first few paragraphs are readable.
Extracted with firefox reader mode and machine translated:
Internal crisis at Mullvad: “Drags down the company” Jacob Lundberg 4–5 minutes
Last week, Flamman was able to reveal that tech profile Daniel Berntsson is the main financier of the Örebro Party, which is running for parliament with demands for “large-scale remigration”.
The news was presented to employees late on Friday evening, and according to several sources with insight, the information has led to an internal rebellion at the IT company Mullvad, where Berntsson is the owner and CEO.
Around a quarter of the employees gathered in an internal chat over the weekend, where they aired criticism of both the donation and the company’s handling of the disclosure.
“I was shocked and sad, and at first surprised,” writes an employee to Flamman.
Another person says that it is both a “deep disappointment” and an “insult” to the company’s employees with a foreign background.
Berntsson himself commented on the news to employees during a meeting on Monday, where employees were allowed to ask questions. Sources to Flamman described the atmosphere before the meeting as tense.
To Flamman, Berntsson justified the donation with “resistance to corruption and dysfunction, creativity and the will to actually solve problems.” Regarding the party’s demand for “comprehensive remigration,” he said that it is needed in view of “today’s miserable situation.”
Several sources tell Flamman that Berntsson has emphasized at recent staff meetings that there are dividing lines among employees in their views on immigration.
“It was like a puzzle piece fell into place,” says an employee, after the revelation about the donation.
Another source says that he has not seen anyone among the staff express support for the donation. At the same time, the chat group for critical discussion still only brings together a minority of the staff.
However, another source believes that the critical group is probably larger.
“I suspect that not everyone dares to show what they think and feel,” he writes to Flamman.
The employees are critical of the donation for several reasons, including that many of the employees themselves are immigrants and “take this very personally.”
Several employees also point out that the Örebro Party’s attitude towards surveillance is at odds with Mullvad’s, as they have advocated increasing the number of surveillance cameras and enabling secret wiretapping in the hunt for criminals.
“Many of the staff believe that this disqualifies Daniel as the leader of a company like Mullvad,” the source writes.
The person also says that many have applied to Mullvad for ethical reasons, that the management’s handling of the issue “definitely damaged trust” among the staff, and that several employees “in light of the donation are considering quitting”. One person says that they will “look around for alternatives”.
“My trust in the leadership is at rock bottom”, says a third person.
The source also says that they see no other way forward than for Daniel Berntsson to step down as CEO. However, another employee sees it as unlikely that Berntsson, who owns 50 percent of the company, will step down on his own. At the meeting, he is also said to have rejected the idea.
“My guess is that he will stay just as before. If you look at how the official response is worded, it is about Mullvad standing for freedom of opinion. They are trying to emphasize that it is something he did as a private person, and that it is therefore not so bad.”
However, the person remains critical:
“It’s one thing to have opinions that don’t match mine, but to make such a gigantic donation without realizing that he is bringing down both himself, Mullvad as a company and all employees at the same time. It makes me doubt his ability as CEO and manager.”
Flamman has sought out Daniel Berntsson.
Been using PIA for over a decade now. I started with them by paying with a random gift card I had laying around (Walmart maybe?) and have been paying with crypto ever since. They’ve never asked for any personal details (used a burner email address) and the service has been solid the entire time. Clients on Windows and Linux both work great and are open source with pretty decent documentation. In short, sometimes I want to reliably remain anonymous online and it has worked out well for me.
I know that a lot of people here hate on PIA but I haven’t seen any justification. So if anyone here knows why I shouldn’t be using the service, I’d love to hear about it; I’d be happy to switch to something else if it works at least as well.
I stopped using them.years ago when they sponsored gab. Don’t have receipts anymore and i dont know what their policy is these days, but suppoeting fascists has always been a hard “no” for me.
Owned by kape (israel), who own many of the dodgy marketing vpn’s.
Based in the USA (the opposite of privacy)
No personal experience with them myself
PIA is owned by Israel. https://hackread.com/private-internet-access-pia-vpn-sold-israel-privacy-concerns/
EDIT: Updated link to be source article instead of shiddit post
Thanks for the answer; I certainly don’t want to send any money to Israel, if possible. Does anyone have any recommendations for alternatives? I just have two requirements: I need the connection uptime to be rock solid. I also need to be able to register and pay completely anonymously. I’m not that concerned about bandwidth.
Same, no issues in I don’t know how many years.
Mostly it’s a US based company and has to comply with US laws/surveillance
Does that matter if they have none of my data? I mean, they could log unencrypted traffic but for web browsing you should be forcing https wherever possible, so traffic logs would be mostly irrelevant. No doubt, they can see what you torrent but I can’t imagine it matters that much if they have no data about you. They could certainly build a fingerprint based on torrents and unencrypted traffic but I feel like it may be too weak to be relevant. Maybe people worry about using the official clients? But you don’t need to use them either, you can just establish a raw OpenVPN tunnel.
It’s an Israeli and US company. If anyone is somehow MITM snooping your TLS traffic, it’s them.

List of vpns not to use
NordVPN
Facebook Onavo
ExpressVPN
Private Internet Access
Everything Kape Technologies
HolaVPN
PureVPN
ZenMate
CyberGhost
Why is airvpn on your list?
Imagine someone unironically using Facebook’s VPN service.
You included AirVPN in that list even though they aren’t mentioned in either of your screenshots… maybe a typo? I’ve never heard of them being associated with Kape so am curious why you lumped them into all that.
sorry, typo
I don’t want to be mean to you, as it might be just ignorance.
But my dude, why did you decide to use Inaccessible photo instead of using text or at the very least Text +photo?
If I suffer from any condition that affect my vision or my reading /understanding… how am I supposed to read this?
sorry, added the list in plaintext
Thank you a lot🌹.
What’s wrong with PIA? I thought they have shown that they do not store any data more than once.
their parent company hired someone from Project Raven to be a CIO for ExpressVPN
They’re Israeli, and the biggest vulnerability of a VPN is the provider.
What’s wrong with Nord?
NordVPN is interesting because it was less about them handing over data to the government, and them just not being transparent about an attack. All the others in that post clearly were in cahoots with big gov.
NordVPN’s defense was technically coherent: because the company doesn’t store activity logs, no user browsing data was exposed. The breach was framed as a vendor problem. The attacker had gotten in through an insecure remote management system that the data center had left open. NordVPN said it hadn’t even known the system existed.
That may all be accurate. But the eighteen months of silence is the actual story.
Yeah, I was expecting it to be much worse to be honest. Obviously they should have said something right away and hopefully they’ve learned their lesson. Not sure I’d write them off for this one incident from 7-8 years ago but it’s probably still good to have that asterisks on their name.
It’s Mullvad. This whole thing, in my eyes, overreaction to one asshole being an asshole, and not anywhere near as bad as so many other assholes.
That’s my opinion, you’re 100% valid in voting with your wallet and I respect everyone that draws the line here.
For me, though, Mullvad is the only one worth their salt if you actually want the best of the best for privacy, and there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism so this feels like an exercise in futility.
I would rather be a decent person.
To be clear, by your judgment using Mullvad precludes me from being a decent person?
Have we really reached a point in which we have to stick with the “least bad” option? I don’t like this.
The lesser evil is what a lot of duopoly voters goes for, the concept isn’t new, even though it is of course ridiculous.
It’s been this way since choosing who to buy copper from in Mesopotamia, probably longer.
Always has been.
No, we haven’t. There are several good alternatives.
Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, Whatsapp. We’ve been there for a while. People suck.
Sharing this because I think it’s funny, but someone opened an issue on Mullvad’s github about the questionable donations of one of the cofounders: https://github.com/mullvad/mullvadvpn-app/issues/10685
It’s funny, but it was probably done by proton
It’s like picking an airline. No matter who you choose somebody has a story of how they’re varying degrees of awful.
I’m on Proton. I disliked when that one guy made that social post comment about how Republicans are easier to deal with. I’m not offended enough to roll the dice with another provider only to later discover they’re literal nazis, their founder has Epstein connections or they discriminate against trans people.
(Which is to say, if you want to switch from Mullvad I get it.)
I agree that any provider is going to have something awful about them, but you can’t just conclude that supporting this type of thing is fine because everyone is awful.
nice windscribe reference there
Being in the proton ecosystem I use their VPN, and it’s been working great thus far.
proton are right wing. your comment is ironic here.
Can you provide a source for that? (Other than that one statement about the “little guys” like two years ago)
Weird to say Proton is the lesser of the two evils, but not by much.
Mullvad donated to a actual right-wing fascist party.
Proton’s owner complimented the US government and gave away customer data.
proton is purple google, an ai company, manipulative and dishonest on social media, and proudly right wing.
This article breaks down the Proton controversies. I believe this comment overly abstracts them, but read what actually happened yourself: http://thoughtportal.org/2025/02/26/proton-mail-says-its-politically-neutral-while-praising-republican-party/
Same here, haven’t had any issues with the free version so far.
I am not a mullvad user, but I recently found https://njal.la/. Curious if anyone has used it before and their experience
I use them on my nas for torrenting.
- €5 per month.
- Accepts payment in crypto, including monero.
- Can only use your account on one device.
- Only one location, Sweden.
- Assigns dynamic IP address to indivdual user session and each IP address is only assigned to one user at a time.
- Any port(s) can be opened.
Most might consider it expensive give the limitation on devices and location but the freedom to open multiple ports makes it amazing for torrenting.
My nas runs 5 instances of qbittorrent and slskd all with connectable ports opened.It works reliably for what I use it for. Other than that, I have nothing to report on my experience using them and in this case, no news is good news.
how long have you been using them?
I’m genuinely curious, what does running 5 instances of qbittorrent do that 1 instance doesn’t?
That’s a valid question and I have 5 different answers. Lol. It all built out over the last 5 years.
I started with one instance and was raw-dogging the net but only using reputable private trackers (ie, teh cabal).
On GGn I was seeding about 20,000 torrents (bulk of this was Linux isos for older retro computers).
Every time ggn has stability issues (every fucking day), it would drag my entire torrent client down with it so I moved all my ggn torrents to their own instance to isolate that problem. That instance still struggled to handle so many torrents on such an unstable tracker so I split ggn across 2 instances.Then I found some things on public trackers I wanted to download and seed, the full dump of Redtopia being one example. So I created another instance that was routed through a VPN via gluetun to use on public trackers.
And lastly I created one more instance to handle my porn stash.
So that’s how I amassed 5 separate torrent clients on the same machine and more recently I moved to a different ISP who uses CGNAT and have decided that I am happy with cgnat and use a VPN that allows opening of ports to handle all my torrent clients.

















