it’s worth remembering the was one of the first to withdraw her presidential bid in 2020 because it was abundantly obvious no one was interested. she was selected as Joe Biden’s running mate to make him look more progressive than he was and to groom her for the national stage. it is abundantly clear now that the nation at large is not interested for a variety of reasons. the left sees in her the conservatism of the democratic party over the last 40 years. the right sees a variety of things depending on how their brains are broken:
The American left needs to fall out of love with cannibalism.
I don’t care why Harris wants to do the right thing now.
Allow people to save face and change their positions - attacking them for “flip flops” is to say “No reasonable adult should ever change their mind about anything” which is not only bananas, but discourages people from doing critical thinking because they’d face humiliation for reversing course.
True, but isn’t that true of the vast majority of people?
Most of us yap a lot but don’t actually do much, and those who do do things tend to yap first, right?
If my card-carrying Democrat neighbor, for example, said “I support socialism” I wouldn’t admonish them out of suspicion they don’t intend to follow through because they haven’t done anything concrete yet; I would say “Good on you! Welcome to the team! Here’s what we can do together:”
This isn’t purity testing, this is predicting that she isn’t going to advance any of our interests based on her history of being more willing to lose to Donald fucking Trump than advance any of our interests.
She knew supporting genocide would decrease the number of people who would vote for her, she knew supporting war would decrease the number of people who would vote for her, she knew supporting ICE would decrease the number of people who would vote for her. She chose to embrace these policies anyway.
If some people in the Democratic party change their minds and stop supporting Israeli crimes, I welcome them.
While I agree, she’s pressured into it because she wants power and the trend is clear. She’s a plastic bag blowing in the wind.
No argument here, but I still prefer this to the alternative
Yeah, I know what you mean. I am kind of like Yay! Fuck Israel but cautious because Kamala.
She doesn’t have any tangible political power and probably never will again, so there’s that
it’s worth remembering the was one of the first to withdraw her presidential bid in 2020 because it was abundantly obvious no one was interested. she was selected as Joe Biden’s running mate to make him look more progressive than he was and to groom her for the national stage. it is abundantly clear now that the nation at large is not interested for a variety of reasons. the left sees in her the conservatism of the democratic party over the last 40 years. the right sees a variety of things depending on how their brains are broken:
Oh I think you left one word off that list at the end, but its not one I’m willing yo repeat.
“forced diversity”
I really like seeing this nice conversation with all valid points. It’s rare anywhere online. Appreciate you all.
And She’ll flip on us as soon as she’s voted in! She’s willing to be a shill towards the progressives to get their votes.
Just like Biden, yes.
Wanting to start again
The American left needs to fall out of love with cannibalism.
I don’t care why Harris wants to do the right thing now.
Allow people to save face and change their positions - attacking them for “flip flops” is to say “No reasonable adult should ever change their mind about anything” which is not only bananas, but discourages people from doing critical thinking because they’d face humiliation for reversing course.
I don’t believe she actually does want to do the right thing, now or ever.
Presumably she’s said somewhere that she supports DSA or socialism (or else why would OP make this meme)?
Is that not “the right thing?”
She’s saying she does. I hear words and see no other evidence. Centrists say a lot of shit.
True, but isn’t that true of the vast majority of people?
Most of us yap a lot but don’t actually do much, and those who do do things tend to yap first, right?
If my card-carrying Democrat neighbor, for example, said “I support socialism” I wouldn’t admonish them out of suspicion they don’t intend to follow through because they haven’t done anything concrete yet; I would say “Good on you! Welcome to the team! Here’s what we can do together:”
A lot of people aren’t former presidential candidates who already showed who they really are.
Harris showed that she was so devoted to the cause of genocide that she was willing to lose to trump rather than change it.
No one is buying her fake change of heart.
I really don’t think that’s her thoughts on the matter, but okay.
in politics, words are cheap. I’ll believe her when she DOES something significant to demonstrate her new found beliefs. Until then, doubt.
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This isn’t purity testing, this is predicting that she isn’t going to advance any of our interests based on her history of being more willing to lose to Donald fucking Trump than advance any of our interests.
She knew supporting genocide would decrease the number of people who would vote for her, she knew supporting war would decrease the number of people who would vote for her, she knew supporting ICE would decrease the number of people who would vote for her. She chose to embrace these policies anyway.
Purity test is a lazy dumb concept used to shut down discussion when you have no real arguments to present
She’s not Saul on the road to Damascus here.
She’s Faust swearing to burn his books long after he damned himself.
Can’t shake the devil’s hand and say you’re only kidding.
…and Jalad at Tanagra.
Wouldn’t a plastic bag float in the wind?
Saying you stopped isn’t the same thing as stopping, and I will never again trust the word of a centrist democrat.
Al we know is thst she reached out to them. Nothing about her supporting palestinians in anyway, nothing about cutting all aids and weapons to israel
Any forward progress at all is progress
Just saying a vague buzz word without committing to specific policy position is not progress.
Empty words aren’t progress.
Liberal counter-insurgency is most definitely not progress.
Cool, lmk when some happens.
I don’t think it is Harris case.