I have been looking at used EVs to get instead of an ICE car, (although hybrid cars may be on the table, as long as it’s a 2016+ prius haha)
It feels like everything under 20k has some bullshit going on 
- Plentiful <$20k Nissan Leafs, except only the 2026+ got rid of CHAdeMO and added liquid cooling
- Plentiful <$20k Chevy Bolts, except only the 2026+ finally got fast charging
- Hyundai Ioniqs ~$23k, except only the 2026+ got rid of the ICCU issue (potentially)
I hate to say it but a 2021 Tesla (and older) is the only <$20k car I’ve found that doesn’t have any major issues + long distance battery, except for well, the obvious…
Thoughts & advice pls? My desire is to cash in on a depreciated EV with long range for road trips (which is why the Bolt is still at the top of my list despite the slow charging)
finally got fast charging
You should consider if this is actually a requirement for you, lots of people with EVs find that slow overnight charging gets them enough charge per day. If you commute a long distance or plan to do road trips it may matter more. Do your own research though, I don’t know your situation.
Yeah, maybe I should define what kind of road trip I mean. When I’m road-tripping I already make semi-regular stops, around 100-120 miles typically. So my desire is to get back that many miles in 30 minutes or less. I don’t mind waiting around for the car to charge, but I don’t want to be waiting an hour for sure.
Been driving a 2019 Leaf for a while now, and it’s a good car; I like it a lot. If you’re planning to drive long-distance a lot, the chademo port issue might be a problem, I suppose, but if your driving is mostly within the just-over-200-mile range, the J1772 port is all you need. Level 2 charging will get it back to full overnight; it adds about 8.5% charge per hour at the full 6.6 kW power.
Can’t speak to the importance of liquid cooling. I live in New England, so it never gets too too hot out, and while my driving is sometimes a bit spirited, I’m never driving it like I’m on a track, so the battery is generally not being worked too hard. As such, I’ve never felt like there was anything missing as far as cooling goes, but you may have different considerations.
Edit: I see you’re looking to do road trips. Honestly, given your desire not to pay for a late-model EV, your best bet is either a used Tesla, as another person said (although I have heard the occasional horror story about Tesla’s unpleasantness towards owners after the first one, especially as regards the Supercharger network), or a used Prius. The Prius has the advantage of very quick refueling on the road, something even a Level 3 charge can’t do (at least in the US; apparently China has made some impressive strides on charge speed).
I will also note that every Prius owner I’ve spoken to has loved the car.
Thank you for your account on owning a Leaf! Also, +1 hidden point to leafs: they actually look good to me. Others may disagree but I think the 2026 was a step back in exterior design for the leaf…
Based on your edit I’m assuming you haven’t tried using any of the charging adapter plugs that let you use NACS / CCS. They are pricey, but with how cheap the Leafs can be purchased (+ state rebate for me), it may be a no-brainer to actually end up opting for the Leaf! I only really need roughly 140 miles range for road tripping, I stop frequently enough to charge, but that’s just me personally.
Yeah I haven’t tried driving the Leaf long-distance, but it does seem like there are adapters available for the chademo port, so that just might be the right solution for you. Anyway, I wish you the best in your quest to electrify your transportation :)
i think hybrid might be the way to go, ive heard they are more reliable since car makers have been making them for a while now. might want to confirm that somewhere but typically buying a model that is brand new tends to not have been refined yet.
Yeah, it feels like EVs are only just now reaching some kind of maturity, while hybrids have been mature for about 10 years (for Toyotas, at least)
I definitely prefer EV for the mechanical simplicity. It’s a huge benefit to me not worrying about oil and gas, maintenance, etc. But hybrid cars are definitely still on the table…
yea ive forgotten how much oil changes suck now that i work remote and drive 3k miles a year(plus we usually use my partners car for trips cause its a crossover). I got one recently and it’s $90 for full synthetic(which i guess is the standard now) but goddamn. Plus i don’t really trust those quick change oil places. A mechanic can fix a fuckup but those oil places, not so much.
I’ve had an oil change place literally glue the drain plug

that’s so absurd and it’s not the first time i have heard of a quick oil change place fucking up the oil pan. and that sucks because people who drive alot and have to get multiple oil changes a year don’t feel like leaving their car at the mechanic for a day.
if you are legitimately looking to do road trips where you need fast charging, pucker up a bit more money and get a swasticar OR an ioniq 5/6. bolt fast charging is mostly inadequate for road trips unless you want to spend an hour charging every 180 miles.
otherwise, if your commute is under approx 50 miles round trip and you have home charging (a 120V plug will do), you will prob save a lot of headache and money buying a plug-in hybrid like a honda insight or chevy volt (dont get that one unless ur prepared for stuff like valves randomly dying and your car failing to shift from park)
More for road-trips specifically. I am blessed to work from home, I’d like to be able to make it ~100-120 miles between charging stations, and charge that many miles back in under 30 minutes. I’m not sure if that is feasible or not.
okay well actually most decent evs will hit that. i can say a swasticar is probably your best bet for road tripping. if you really dont wanna drive a swasticar i still stand by ur only other options being the used hyundai evs. it is worth noting that the ioniq 6 might not be sold in the us any more due to poor sales
I’ve started toying with the idea of doing an electric conversion on an old VW bus.
The electric golfs can be had cheap, right? Are you open to an electric with gas assist, like the Volt or bmw i3?
At that price Tesla is probably the best bet. Slightly more money, I’d recommend the Ioniq 5 or 6. I’m not sure how prevalent the ICCU is after 2024/2025. I thought it was resolved under warranty but I may be wrong.
I’ve had a 2017 Chevy Bolt for a couple years now, it’s been pretty good so far. Mine has the optional “fast” charging, limited to about 50 kW, whereas the new 2027 Bolt can charge at 150 kW. For the older Bolts, look for an orange plug cover below the main charging port, that means it’s equipped with DC “fast” charging.

With a budget of $20k, you could probably find a new Polestar. They’re on a clearance sale right now because new regulations on Chinese-owned companies are making them illegal to sell in the USA. I believe that you still get a warranty, and they can be serviced at Volvo dealerships. More here: https://archive.ph/iO9bn
Reposting a couple comments from earlier:
The only thing I’ve had to replace so far have been tires and windshield washer fluid. Eventually I’ll have to replace the coolant, transmission fluid, brake fluid, 12V lead-acid battery, shocks and struts, etc. but I never have to deal with oil changes or timing belts or any of the usual engine stuff. The main battery was replaced under a recall before I got it, with a warranty. I used a fuel savings calculator before I bought it and figured out that I’d be saving about $1,000 per year by not buying gas, and that was when gas was about $3.50 per gallon. So including maintenance costs compared to my old car, it’s saving me around $2,000 per year, and will pay for itself in about 4 years of driving.
I think you can buy a used one for less than $10,000 nowadays, not counting any still existing state tax rebates. The motor and battery are very well engineered, they were mostly built by GM Korea (formerly Daewoo) and LG. It’s one of the fastest EVs for the money, and has decent range, because it was built to compete with the Tesla Model 3. The chassis and suspension are based on an old Daewoo design, although they’re a little more basic, so the ride and handling aren’t the greatest. Neither is the interior comfort, which can be blamed on GM USA. The early years had a battery issue that should be fixed with a recall, although some cars slipped through the cracks. So most cars have a battery newer than 2021, although you should check to make sure.
Pretty much any modern EV with a liquid-cooled battery will be more reliable and will last longer than an equivalent gas car. I’d stay away from the first generation Nissan Leaf, unless you get a really good deal and have a short commute, because range degrades quickly with those. You also might also look at a plug-in hybrid (PHEV) like the Toyota Prius Prime, Ford C-Max, or Chevy Volt. In some states they also qualify for EV tax credits. Also, check if your electrical utility company has rebates or incentives for installing a level 2 charger in your garage, or charging at certain hours.




