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Just use Firefox.
The ceo is a bigoted asshole, Brave is chromium, it was initially funded by Peter Thiel and they’re literally just trying to make their own adsense network.
The self-proclaimed privacy focused browser is tracking your browsing and want to serve you personalized ads, and I think they want to use that tracking data for AI training as well, meaning other people can potentially access it.
And lets not forget about their crypto currency that you can earn by turning on special ads. Which they seemingly unironically called it “Basic Attent Tokens”…
TL;DR: The company is basically a sham company trying to usher in a dystopia. Where you’ll get paid for staring at ads, while having all your data stolen and sold back to you.
The fact that their founder wants to ban gay marriage is enough reason for me to avoid it like the plague.
He fucking what?
He made a thousand dollar donation in support of proposition 8, a constitutional amendment in California that strips gay people of the right to marry. He then proceeded to argue that such a donation does not make him a bigot or an enemy of LGBTQ+ people, because he’s a delusional piece of filth.
This effectively prevented gay people from marrying in California from 2008 to 2013 until the fascists that supported it were finally done trying to argue how this doesn’t violate the US constitution.
So yeah, may he, his browser, and any pathethic excuse that pretends to be human being who supported this abomination rot in the deepest depths forever.
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The codebase is irrelevant, I’ve already rated it, it’s another blink clone. As a product, on the other hand, you should definitely practice responsible consumerism. Aligning your values with your consumption is a good thing.
Totally agree. Why make someone richer who you ethically don’t align to. It just makes their agenda easier.
That’s why we’re all here instead of adding to Spez’s IPO.
Right, because it was totally his views in general, not just lack of API access…
Edit: Sorry guys, you’re right, the surge of Lemmy users that correspond to the hour of API access loss was DEFINITELY just coincidental.
Tbh it was a bit of both for me. The API access was one thing, but the response to the backlash was revealing towards his views. The protest against the API access was focused on business, the backlash to Spez’s actions in response was focused on him.
In particular, it was his view that he can impose himself on the community in such a way that takes us steps closer to a walled garden.
One was a reflection of the other.
Personally I’m here because of the way he went about trying to bully people who demonstrated against the API change.
I don’t really care about the API change myself because I didn’t even indirectly use it.
So yeah, it’s exactly not wanting to put money on the hands of such a person.
Don’t really know Brave, don’t really know its CEO, am a little iffy on the whole screwing of people’s livelihoods due to their personal political leanings but can see how people would not want to put money in the hands of a guy who wants to make a subset of people miserable (by forbidding them to marry those they love) for no good reason (no mature and mentally healthy person goes around judging other people’s love on the gender of whom they love).
Whilst I think that even haters should be able to survive (even they have basic human rights) it’s fair enough if their chances at prosperity beyond mere survival are negativelly affected by them being haters: after all, making life shit for others is fine with them, so as I see it, live by the sword die by the sword.
The API was only the tip of the iceberg. When he came out and said he basically worships Elon and what he did to twitter I knew things weren’t going to improve.
I didn’t care about the api, I browsed via browser. The spez ama made me want to puke so I found this place.
Yea his views and actions matter.
I don’t disagree with you, but at the same time I use Lemmy. I disagree with its developers political views, but I believe they are doing something good for society. So maybe sometimes it’s good to make an exception.
Same reason people who boycott chic a filet over LGBT issues, it has nothing to do with the quality of their product it’s about not supporting someone who’s views and opinions are that only some people deserve equality.
Voting with your wallet is more effective than simply vocalizing disagreement while still supporting their product.
Everyone has a price when it comes to “can I still use/enjoy X when the author did seemingly unrelated thing Y”.
For example, can you still enjoy the music of The he Lost Prophets? I can’t.
Most poeple responding said that it has nothing to do with it, but I would add that someone who has these view is more likely to implement unethical features
Are you being purposely obtuse, bud?
Let’s go to extremes… If actual Hitler worked on a project should we all just use that project even though Hitler made it?
If actual Hitler worked on a project should we all just use that project even though Hitler made it?
It’s called Volkswagen, one of the biggest car manufacturers in the world.
Touché. However the VW of today is vastly far-removed from VW during WW2.
In fact the only reason VW exists post WW2 is because of a British army captain who wanted to get the factory up and running and build some cars. He thought the design of the beetle was inexpensive, practical, and cool.
(Interesting sidenote, the designs of the Beetle were offered to British carmakers, who rejected it, stating that nobody would want a car so cheap and devoid of luxury. The Beetle went on to be the most popular car in the world.)
Continuing the analogy, VW is more like a fork of the original VW project started by the Nazi party.
Yes and I don’t buy them. Do you understand?
Comparing Brendan eichtoo Hitler doesn’t seem logically coherent but let’s just use your fringe example. We do actually continue to use shit invented by Hitler all over the world to this day. Volkswagen to give an example. Lemmy is made by tankies. So… The answer is that so long as the thing is sufficiently useful. Yes.
I don’t use VW or brave. That’s my point. It’s easy to wave away suffering if you benefit from that suffering.
You use thousands of products. A majority of them probably have some heinous shit behind their executives.
You’re absolutely right, but I try to make my contributions to suffering as low as I can.
The choice might not always be obvious. What if the project improves the society or saves human lives? In such case we might decide it’s better to support the project, but make it clear that we don’t support his other activities.
It doesn’t though.
If you invoke hitler, you already lost the argument.
If you say so.
It’s a boycott, not a code review.
I got my OS from north Korea, why on earth would I not trust it explicitly with any and all of my families information?
because the guys here are dumb woketards
Why would you come to a place just to bitch about it? If you don’t like it here then fuuuck off. Go to ExplodingHeads or Rammy or even right the fuck back to Reddit. No one made you come here, vote with your feet. Or if you won’t do those things, then I beg you to take just a little less effort here and not post.
I swear to God, some of you fuckers are the kind of dudes that rock up to a lesbian bar, get kicked out for hitting on women at the lesbian bar, and then start pissing and moaning about how “no one is allowed to be real man anymore hurk durk durk durk” and calling the bouncers woketards.
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I dont know why anyone would leave chrome and land on something like brave.
If youre ditching chrome, which you should, go to an actual different browser and use Firefox.
Brave is a marching band of red flags. It claims privacy while injecting ads, affiliate codes and crypto into the browser. It’s kind of sad to see someone like Brendan Eich who should know better turn to the dark side and pretend this is all fine. It isn’t.
Best advice I could give for anyone who wants privacy is use Firefox or a branch of it. Firefox is out of the box the most privacy conscious mainstream browser and add-ons make it more so. If you want absolute privacy you could even use a derivative like Tor Browser.
someone like Brendan Eich who should know better turn to the dark side
LOL, he inflicted Javascript upon the world. He never knew better and was always on the dark side.
JavaScript is a victim of its own popularity. It was originally meant to be scripting glue to do little actions in the browser while the real work was done in Java (LiveConnect) apps. But Java got jettisoned, JavaScript became more important and became the thing we love and hate today.
JavaScript is a victim of its own popularity.
No, that’s not the issue. If Javascript were well-designed we wouldn’t hate it, but it wasn’t.
Most of the examples listed there are issues that don’t affect real applications. It’s just garbage code, so the output ends up being garbage too. Programmers don’t write code like that, unless they are doing it as a joke. A few of those examples can be real issues sometimes, but they are not that big of a deal to an experienced JavaScript programmer.
It’s an imperfect language like any other.
but they are not that big of a deal to an experienced JavaScript programmer.
A well-designed language wouldn’t require “experience” for stupid gotchas like these to not be that big of a deal in the first place.
After all, I’m sure a sufficiently “experienced programmer” could adapt to anything up to and including fucking Malbolge if necessary, but that doesn’t mean it’s equal to a language that’s actually good.
Differences in quality between languages are real, and Javascript is closer to the bad end of that spectrum.
Louis Rossmann also recommended Brave in one of his videos. Quite sad.
I like a fair amount of his videos but he has a big ole bag of bad takes
Love everything he criticizes (corporate greed, drm, wasteful planned obsolescence, unrepairable disposable device design) are all incentivized and rewarded under Capitalism … but since he’s a small business owner he still supports the idea of Capitalism.
He gets so close.
Exactly my thoughts. He’s like right on the edge but to me it seems he has some cognitive dissonance re capitalism
Informative and unfortunate
Brodie Robertson also uses Brave. Quite sad x2.
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Brave is more secure than Firefox out of the box.
I have absolutely no idea how Brave got the reputation it has. It’s business model is disgusting and extortionate, it’s like paying for warez. Been clear as day since day one.
it’s got crypto.
It’s got electrolytes!
It’s what plants crave!
It has what plants crave!
A big reason to avoid it!
I am using Brave mainly because of its superb YouTube support - It has a built in ad block, can download videos offline and play minimized. Is there any way I can achieve this with any other browser? I would switch immediately.
This may be overkill but try Piped.video
It removes all tracking and ada frok youtube and allpws you to import your subscriptions.
At one point they were scummy enough to automatically add their referral codes to any Amazon link you see. Lots of people today still mindlessly recommend Brave, and that’s what’s wrong in general with the “but the UX is so nice” mentality.
Yeah, fuck this guy.
First, I have been online for almost 30 years. I’ve led an open source project for 14 years. I speak regularly at conferences around the world, and socialize with members of the Mozilla, JavaScript, and other web developer communities. I challenge anyone to cite an incident where I displayed hatred, or ever treated someone less than respectfully because of group affinity or individual identity.
So I hid my hatred from everyone for 30 years successfully. Now that everyone finds out that I donated to a cause to strip them of rights everyone wants to say I’m hateful? Give me one example where I displayed hatred…how about the time you donated to strip people of their rights? That might be a big one for me.
Is there proof he donated? Was it specifically a donation against gay marriage? Has he donated to other causes as well?
Anytime I see a lynch mob forming, I always get a bit skeptical of the details. Context matters as well.
This guy could be a grade A sack of shit, but I haven’t seen many links to proof, just people regurgitating the same stuff over and over.
Edit: I probably should have researched on my own before posting but here is what I’ve read so far: he donated back in 2008 (haven’t found a link of a source that proves it, but I’ve also not found anything refuting the claim, not even his blog posts). He did post this back in 2014 when the hubbub started: https://web.archive.org/web/20200708202554/https://brendaneich.com/2014/03/inclusiveness-at-mozilla/
Maybe the bar is lower now after the trump tenure, but that post seems to show some genuine self awareness and growth. I know my views about the world have grown, changed, matured, and become much more nuanced since 2008. Is it possible he has as well?
Has he done or said anything shitty since that single donation?
Edit 2: I just saw some of his tweets on masks and saying Dr fauci lies https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1337496169690230784. Bleh.
I know I’m jumping to conclusions but I’m starting to see some indicators of what kind of politics he’s continued to have.
I had this whole spiel queued up on how we need to let people be able to redeem themselves. He’s not the poster boy for that cause so I’ll hold off.
Proof aside form him admitting that he did it?
He admits to making the donation, then complains about how everyone is so mean for trying to thought police him like the sniveling coward he is.
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The fact that its main 2 gimmicks are a shitty ad blocker and integrated cryptocurrency should be enough of a red flag, honestly. Just use Firefox, people!
So the CEO is a raging alt-righter. Glad I never used his product then.
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So, not trying to sympathize with Eich here, where do you get “alt-right” from?
Being against equal rights for gay/bi people is considered pretty right wing these days mate
Sure, but “alt-right” means something specific, and I was missing the jump of reason … but this thread has gotten pretty heated, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised people were weirdly upset by what I thought was an innocent question.
Oh well, it’s the internet, after all.
Alt right is pretty undefined imo.
It was started by a right winger who didn’t want to be called far-right so he just called himself “alternative-right”. It caught on but his views were still the same right wing views.
I guess people often use it to mean the more internet-savvy, meme-posting, trolling right wing. But they too dunk on LGBT people so even then I’m not sure why anybod would think it’s not connected.
Fair enough, political definitions are rarely well-defined.
I guess people often use it to mean the more internet-savvy, meme-posting, trolling right wing.
Yeah, that’s how I understood it… Not really something Eich seems to do much.
I’m not sure why anybod would think it’s not connected.
Just because Eich has awful views doesn’t give license to also be awful by throwing around random other accusations or connecting him with trolling skinheads. Remember, even the Nuremberg Trials had defense attorneys, so let’s stick to the high road of justice, not the shitty cesspool that the far right wants to drag us into.
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Lmao
Yeah I’m the bad one because I have no time for homophobic cunts who want to strip minority groups’ rights away.
We get it, you hate anybody who isn’t a straight white guy.
Bye bye, go simp for some far right twat to somebody else.
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And this is what’s wrong with politics now
I’m all for gay rights and advocate for same sex marriage. But if he doesn’t then he’s now boxed in with the skinhead kill-all-the-immigrants crowd? Where’s the nuance?
That said, I don’t really trust Brave the product. It’s pushing its privacy agenda a little too hard for me to trust it.
Just use Firefox if you want privacy
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I agree, it ought to be a hard line.
Question is, though, where’s the line? We don’t all come with the same exact moral compass, and we’re all perfectly capable of rationalizing evil, so you can’t just say “be a moral and non-bigoted person” and expect the desired outcome. Plenty of slave owners worldwide were convinced that slavery was not just morally admissible but even admirable.
No matter where that line is, it needs to be well-defined and agreed-upon, or else it’s arbitrary, and thus open to abuse and corruption by demagogues.
I think we can agree that those slave owners were wrong, just as we can agree that Eich was and remains wrong about gay marriage.
I don’t like that he supported a campaign against gay marriage. I don’t know his reasons for doing so but it’s probably not one I’d support.
But my understanding extends no further. I know he made a donation. I don’t have the nuance or understanding to extrapolate that into putting him into an entire box
There’s something ironic about tarring him with a broad brush based on one attribute
The dude spent $1,000 declaring where he stood on taking someone’s rights away and you’re like meh I don’t wanna jump to judgement here lmao
I’ll absolutely disagree with his action in contributing to taking away same sex marriage. I don’t see why gay people shouldn’t get married.
I don’t know his reason for contributing to it. I’ll very likely disagree with his reason.
What I’m saying is, does that make him alt-right (whatever that even means)? The only thing you can deduce is that he thinks gay people shouldn’t get married
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hey guys stop being judgemental of bigots
Isn’t what I said
All I’ve said is you can’t extrapolate “He disagrees with X there for he must also be Y and Z”
Where was the nuance in Proposition 8?
This is the first I’ve heard of that proposition so I have no idea. Nor do I know the guy’s feelings on it other than he felt motivated to donate to it
If you’re not familiar with Prop 8 then you can’t understand why people judge its supporters, like Eich, as harshly as we do.
I’m all for gay rights and advocate for same sex marriage. But if he doesn’t then he’s now boxed in with the skinhead kill-all-the-immigrants crowd? Where’s the nuance?
The nuance is that straight white people get away with this shit. Sleep with dogs wake up with fleas. Also you just did a “im all for gay rights…, but…” Lmao.
Also you just did a “im all for gay rights…, but…”
I did realise I had the classic =/
If someone is using their money and influence to actively trample on my human rights, then yes, I reserve the right to call them out for being a cunt.
Aw diddums, but what if I hurt the homophobes wittle feelings 🥺??? I don’t give a fuck about his precious little fee fees. I care about the rights of people.
And no, calling out a bigot for being bigoted is not the issue with politics. The issue with politics is the bigoted shitheads who view themselves as deserving more rights than the “undesirables” in society.
So you’re telling me I should throw my money and data at a guy that doesn’t believe in my human rights?
I just use Firefox and DuckDuckGo
Thanks. Whenever I raised the issue of homophobia or his general support of right-wing causes that threaten people’s privacy (see the aftermath of Roe v. Wade for example), I got downvoted, be it on the PrivacyGuides sub where they adore the browser, or right here just weeks ago.
This article is useless trash. There is no real technical argument here except “founder bad”.
I do have reasons for not using Brave, but it’s to do with the annoying defaults and the crypto integration. They default whitelist Google, LinkedIn, and Facebook garbage that I have to go and toggle off.
Given the level of effort and extensions like Facebook container on Firefox, I just prefer the better experience for me. This bullshit about getting on identity politics agendas I find abhorrent and repulsive. This author’s a stupid fuckhead.
I’ve read the article via Firefox, with NoScript enabled. Am I doing this right?
