This meme would be so relatable if I had any friends.
Friends are overrated, comrade!
Friends are capitalistic propaganda to make you easier to manipulate and control into working long hours so that some guy called “CEO” can show off all of his green pieces of paper to his friends /s
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During last gamenight with the friends we decided to play halo infinite. We all had a good laugh that the two on windows were the only ones crashing
I would not let that live down tbh
i often play gta online with two friends who use windows. they have crashes, sounds disappearing, issues joining sessions and they keep falling through ground. on mint my only problem is no cursor in social club. my framerate is not great though, 80 - 100 vs on windows it stays above 120. except for the random massive lag spikes.
Me playing The Finals too, the other two crashing before the match and I was more like ‘I’m just hoping that I don’t get banned for playing on linux’
It’s hilarious to me that I have to jump through so many hoops to get my old games working on windows when they run almost out of the box on Linux, but on the flip side with all the launchers and shit built into AAA games today it’s a hassle to get them set up on Linux. Like once I do get them set up they work great. But lutris, proton versions, winetricks, etc to get them working is an activity
Did they play the cracked version or the Steam version?
It was the pvp multiplayer that’s free, so the steam version.
Break free of proprietary friends ^^
All my friends are Open Source if you know what I mean
Many people commit to them and they fork off to others?
I definitely won’t be installing windows 11, so I’ll join soon
Honestly Steam and Proton have solved like 90% or more of this issue, i was in this spot in the past for a long, long time, but Steam has made this work almost seamlessly for a great number of games
And then i got the Steam Deck and this went into overdrive
At this point i feel like Linux is a realistic option for a gamer, qualified of course (anti-cheat tech tends to break things, plus there’s a few problematic ones), but we are at the point where you can buy an AAA title and be relatively confident it will run on Linux (check first though)
I still can’t believe how good elden ring runs. Just about every single game i’ve played in my library has run acceptably for years now. The couple of games I had trouble with running like 5 years ago works nice now. Thank you steam/valve for the godsend that is proton and the deck. All hail gaben.
Honestly Steam and Proton have solved like 90% or more of this issue
As a somewhat recent Windows expatriate (1.5 years I think?), I certainly recall more issues on Win11.
WE DON’T TALK ABOUT WINDOWS 11!
Well it’s getting better, and fast imo. When I started using Linux some 4 years ago I could barely play anything in my library. If the game had online functionality in any way, chances were it didn’t run. That has gotten a lot better imo but Proton is still not where it needs to be. But things change and from what I, as a consumer, can see it seems like the biggest problem now are invasive Anti-Cheats rather than anything fundamentally breaking the games.
Edit: but yeah, it sucks when shit ain’t working and the small fraction of stuff not working is still a bit much to swallow
I’ve built my current gaming pc in april of 2022, installed ubuntu and really haven’t had any issues that weren’t solved by 5 minutes of googling
for me it’s mostly because i specifically messed something up
I prefer co op games anyway so there is no reason to be forced to opt into an anti cheat game but here we are.
Haven’t run into a game yet that doesn’t run on Linux when using Proton. 👌
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That’s gotta be rectifiable somehow. Did you contact some sort of support?
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That ban also pop up on your steam account? Because if it does that can screw you in other games if they have community servers.
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I was banned from The Finals for playing on Linux
How is that not illegal?
Well, civil rights lawyers have been pretty busy lately trying to stop the slide into facism, so they haven’t gotten around to making our choice of OS a protected class.
Seriously though, why would it be illegal? It’s their game, so they get to be assholes and decide who gets to play it with them. I don’t think that’s ever going to change, and I’m not sure it should. We do the same thing in the Fediverse, deciding who gets to use the instances we control.
I would say claiming that a game supports a certain operating system and then banning players for playing it on the system is false advertising, especially if the game is paid.
The game is listed as not supporting SteamOS (Arguably the most popular linux distro for gaming right now) and incorporating drm that does not work on Linux, this is far from false advertising as I can see it. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2073850/THE_FINALS/
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If someone buys a product from you, you shouln’t be able to deny them from using it based on arbitrary criteria without a refund.
Don’t worry, they refunded his $0 for the free game.
Oh, it’s free? Then never mind.
Most of the games not running today would run perfectly if they did not have some bullshit anti-cheat implemented (Easy Anti-Cheat is I think the worst offender here).
Source: personal experience checking ProtonDB for games I want to play
Unfortunately there’s a cheating plague right now. It’s never been easier to cheat. It’s a huge problem in any competitive shooter. If you want your game to be successful, you need decent anti cheat.
I can’t blame the devs for using a plug and play solution.
I understand developers needs for decent Anti-Cheat and I am not faulting them for using Anti-Cheat systems in general.
But Kernel level Anti-Cheats should not exist. No application should ever have this level of access over your entire PC. You have no idea what these Anti-Cheats are doing, you have no idea what data they are collecting and sending to whom and you have no idea what kind of security flaws they introduce. For all you know every password you type on your computer is shared with the companies using Kernel Level Anti-Cheat. Your PC might as well have no password anymore. If someone finds an exploit for Easy Anti-Cheat (or any of the other dozen Kernel level Anti-Cheats out there) and deploys a Virus over it then your best bet is turning religious because praying for divine intervention would be more effective than any Anti-Virus software.
Has that literally ever happened with kernal level anti-cheats?
Even though all that’s true I’d rather roll the dice than play another tarkov wipe with rampant cheaters.
No matter how invasive the anti cheat is, if you could guarantee no cheaters I’m in
I love my privacy and all, but I’d give it away to game with real players lol.
if you could guarantee no cheaters I’m in
Well if that were working I doubt we’d have two dozen Anti-Cheat Systems. You can lock down a system as much as you want the cheaters will always find a way unless the game itself discourages it.
And then this isn’t as much about privacy as it is about basic system security. I mean sure the privacy concern is there but it’s less of a concern for most people. There’s not much to gain from a rootkit with average Joe, after all their entire life is already on Instagram. No the far more serious part is that these Anti-Cheats are ripping country sized holes into your computers security, as can be seen beautifully by Genshin’s kernel level
malwareanti-cheat being used as a convenient rootkit for a ransomware (https://www.pcgamer.com/ransomware-abuses-genshin-impacts-kernel-mode-anti-cheat-to-bypass-antivirus-protection/). If you are willing to compromise your PC’s security for a tiny decrease in cheaters sure go ahead, but don’t come crying when it inevitably blows up in your face and your PC becomes the victim of a hack exploiting this shit.Once upon a time all Apps ran on Kernel level, there’s a reason we don’t do that anymore.
Idk dude I just don’t care. I’m not fort fucking Knox I’m just trying to play some fucking video games. My computer doesn’t need to be the most secure thing on the planet.
Battlebit Remastered ran fine with EZ anti-cheat through steam on Mint 21.3, with no exra steps required, just this week. Did something get fixed, or was I just lucky?
iirc Easy-Anticheat has a sort of “Lite” mode that also runs on Linux, enabling it makes the games work with Proton but iirc degrades the Anticheat capabilities on those Systems. Because the Linux Anticheat isn’t as effective (and because it’s an Opt-In) most games don’t use it.
Talking a lot out of my ass here but I think that’s how it was explained back when they made that change.
Huh? Easy Anti-Cheat is the one that actually works for me on Linux.
see my reply to another comment here. I mentioned EAC simply because most games use it and don’t enable the required flag for Linux support.
Ah, TIL! Thanks :]
The only games that give me any trouble are some Japanese VNs, which can be absolutely cursed for some reason. Like, massive tech juggernauts like Cyberpunk are click and play, but I’ve spent hours getting books-with-PNGs working.
That’s because their code quality is usually an absolute dumpster fire that only works if Wine exactly replicates obscure Windows bugs.
Destiny 2 still won’t work, and Simracing is still a no go.
The simracing part is a real bummer. That’s the only reason I’m still on Win.
That just means you can’t buy 12 dlc to unlock the seasons, dungeons, raids, and whatever the hell else they’re paywalling. Destiny got enshittified.
I recommend warframe as a destiny alternative. But Beware! if you like the game you may sink thousands of hours into it
Ha, jokes on you, already Legend rank 3. ~I have no life.~
There are a couple, but I’m spoiled for choice with great games so the convenience of being able to run something on my Steam Deck means that the few that don’t run just drop to the bottom of the backlog. Proton is really a brilliant feat of engineering.
the one i am the most sad about is magicka 1 - great game but getting it to run on linux is (as far as i’ve found so far) pretty much impossible.
Won’t claim that it runs all that great on windows either though - getting through a chapter without crashing is rarer than i’d like it to be…
I recently heard about this. I used to play it. I searched on the steam discussion page and there is a fan patch that fixes all the crashes. It is on github. I found it for you. Try this. https://github.com/pj1234678/MagickaFix
was aware of it but it sadly doesn’t run on linux (at least not after me doing trial and error for 4 hours) and i felt the comparison to the unmodded one on windows fairer under these circumstances - thanks for trying to help though :)
My problem is that I enjoy specific multiplayer games. League, Val, Finals. Those are the three right now and riot specifically seems a tad disinterested in Linux. Sadge.
League is owned by Tencent who is specifically interested in using the software for the benefit of the Chinese government as is mandatory for them. They don’t want you using an OS with actual security. Heck, they don’t even want you to see a skin or splash art that hasn’t been approved by their government!
The anti cheat in league is literally a rootkit.
When it came out there was an outcry and their statement was basically “okay okay, so its a rootkit. But guys, you can trust us! We’re totally not going to do anything nefarious with it!”
I can’t believe people still play that shit.
You mean Vanguard, which was announced but isn’t actually in the game yet. Their plan is to add it late February or early March. We don’t actually know any details about the implementation except that it won’t be used in the macOS version.
Genshin Impact, anticheat thibjs you’re cheating, blocked until fixed. Happens every update.
Good luck!
Genshin works by now lol
I’ve run into many, the latest being Rising Storm 2. Its development has been suspended and the EAC is a version that doesn’t work with Linux, so you can’t play on any servers except the ones that allow hackers. There’s also the issues with performance in Squad on Linux. Starship Troopers: Extermination also runs better on Windows. That’s just the ones I’ve had an issue with in the past month.
That being said, I’m still not willing to go back to Windows, even to play these games.
For me it’s mostly games that work for everyone else on Linux.
Are you saying you haven’t been able to get it to work?
GtaV on Steam just doesn’t start since years and on multiple computers. Same for others who generally are considered good on proton.
Online game… Hm, anti cheat kicking in? Any error messages, GUI or in console?
Sadly no, offline games, steam only tells me on cli it shut them down
I mean, some games do not work. Because they do not work on Windows as well. Looking at you, ksp 2 🤦♂️
It’s such a shame about KSP 2. I was so hyped when I saw it was announced, then it all turned to shiz.
Maybe i bricked something in my machine somewhere when messing with drivers for machine learning cuda support. But I often have games that are ‘supported’ through proton but fail to launch or even crash my PC. Metro exodus & deep rock to name a few. Other games do run great. But still things like steam big picture being laggy is annoying.
yeh that’ll probably be it tbf… the cuda drivers are specifically for scientific computing and are pretty rubbish for anything else unfortunately… even amd ones are like that :(
however a way i found around it is to just push my gpu compute envs to docker and voila (also avoids the pain of installing the drivers cos nvidia actually provides a cuda docker image) :D
That’s actually a good tip. Even though I don’t use CUDA and never have.
Haven’t run into a game yet that doesn’t run on Windows.
Without the need to fiddle with any settings. It is all just click and play.
Same experience on Linux for me. Install Steam, install Proton, set it to be default for all games. Click and play. 🙂👍 Not really “fiddling”. It’s a one-time thing that I equate to just installing Steam. Very good experience.
This seems dated. I’m not saying there is no issues but man has it improved so much.
Improved =/= working 100% of the time
Ah, yes, not 100% of the time. You know, like Windows. Thanks for the laugh.
I use Android btw
Gotta get that Bingo Blitz!
Implying that windows is stable, lol
My whole thing even more than (gaming which is huge) is having to relearn how to make everything work. I was (i honestly have to say ‘was’ ugh) nearly a windows ‘power user’ for awhile, maybe peaked in my skills getting hardware running, programs and games running until win7 came out and shit just worked.
Nowadays when i go back to fix shit, or even just change a setting i have to relearn how to do it. Am i crazy or do they keep moving shit now? Fucking why? I have windows cuz inertia at this point but if i have to Google how to change basic Windows settings then there’s not much stopping me from tossing a match on Windows and walking away
Correct. There are still games that don’t work because there is actual work being done to make them not work.
I wonder where the problem is… must be Linux’ fault.
I am ignorant. Please explain.
DRM in many games doesn’t work on Linux. In some cases, like games that use EAC, this is technically just a checkbox at build time where they decide not to support Linux.
There are also some weird libraries and low-level interfaces that refuse to even work through wine/proton, but that’s pretty rare nowadays. You have to be actively trying to find something that won’t work at all on Linux.
I am ignorant. Please explain.
I assume using anti cheat and not including the files so it works on Linux. I’m of the opinion people shouldn’t buy games with anti cheat, but that’s just my opinion.
Meh i had to restart overwatch a few times because it has a bug where sometimes miving my mouse in any way causes me to look up and spin counter clockwise at an insane speed… So yeah theres that
It’s different for different people. The distro, the hardware, and the game can all have an effect on how often problems arise.
It has but for multiplayer games and especially a game you never launched before there can be some friction.
“ah shucks, Windows Update just initiated a reboot without asking, guess I’m out for the night guys”
I hate Windows, but this has never happened neither to me nor my friends. (Granted I only have like 3 friends who use it regularly)
I had Windows 10 do it once over however many years i was using it (was a fairly early adopter), and Windows 11 has never done it.
Anyone who can easily use Linux can just make Windows not do that kind of shit, and not auto-update, and block the connection from basically all Windows processes.
They’d prefer to learn nothing, blame the OS for not looking and operating exactly like Linux, and then claim it sucks not for the reasons it sucks but because they can’t be bothered to try.
It happened to me often!
Part of that I’m sure it’s the fact that I work nights, but Windows refuses to acknowledge that during my work hours is not an appropriate time to install updates.
Simply stepping away to get a coffee or use the restroom is enough for Windows to decide now is the time to reboot and install updates for an hour or so and you better hope you saved everything before stepping away.
As a matter of fact, one of those instances is the one where the update broke my bitlocker encryption and I lost everything that wasn’t backed up. That was my last day using Windows.
Was it your personal computer or a company managed computer? Either way, when to automatically start updates is just a setting that’s easily set. As is the “pause updates for X weeks” so that you have more weeks to do an intentional reboot. There might be some major security patches they’ve forced through anyways? But I don’t think I’ve had any windows update issues since like 2017 or 2018.
It was not managed, honestly I should’ve disabled bitlocker, I just never expected it to be a problem.
As to settings for when it installs updates, they didn’t seem to stick or were not always respected in my experience. I spent a bit of effort trying to make sure it wasn’t configured to do that but it would still just go for it anyway if the system ever became idle after midnight or so.
Anyway this story has a happy ending because after that I decided to give daily driving linux another shot, and none of the issues I had experienced previously still exist here.
In fact, incredibly enough I have found on average that the games I play perform better on Linux now than they did on Windows.
And my OS never installs updates without my permission, let alone forcing an unscheduled reboot.
I think that only happens when you don’t use windows for many months, which might be true for Linux users
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This hasnt happened to me since vista days lol
Impossible, I’ve had Linux users swear to me that gaming on Linux is now perfect and even better than on Windows!
I’ve had people tell me that they experience better performance running games on Linux through Proton compared to running them natively on Windows. A while back, I decided to try Windows for the first time since 2002 on actual hardware. With TF2, I encountered significantly more crashes & lag compared to running it on my Arch install…
I can echo this. My games do have better performance running on pop_os rather than Windows.
It usually goes like this:
- in certain games, with certain (usually low-medium) settings, without raytracing, with proprietary drivers if nvidia
This seems to be the Windows/Linux yinyang in gaming.
If you go through the effort (or non-effort. It really seems to be luck-based) of getting a gaming rig working in linux, 99% of the time it is simply better at everything, crashes less, etc. The 1% can require hours or more of troubleshooting.
Windows runs slower and worse than linux, and arguably less stable. But you boot up, click play, and (largely) it just plays.
That’s also my recent experience with Ubuntu on a gaming laptop. Every single step of the way gives me trouble, but when I manage to run something in the linux side, boy does it run well. So I’ve got this nice “todo” since I already blew my only free day on it last weekend.
A friend of a friend tried daily driving Ubuntu recently & had a few problems (some of which were gaming related). They eventually switched to Linux Mint and pretty much most of their problems seemed to disappear…
Interesting. I wish I could bring myself to like mint. I’ve typecast myself as an ubuntu-head ever since I went full “Elder Price” with the CDs back at my first dev gig.
I’ve never used mint myself, but I’ve heard good things about it. Last time I used Ubuntu on actual hardware was around 2008 I think. For the most part I’ve been using either Arch, Debian or Fedora…
If you’re getting crashes and lag on TF2, that’s your pc. Do you have to hand crank it or something?
I have to wait for the vacuum tubes to warm up when i turn it on
See I only got lag & crashes on windows, when on my Arch install I had/have no problems whatsoever. I haven’t used windows since 2002 & don’t really plan on doing so any time soon, the install was just to quickly see what windows 10 was like compared to Linux…
I have actually only had one singular issue with gaming in the last year (time frame. Not 2024) and that is fixed by restarting the game
Its not perfect, but its really damn good.
Just takes a little patience and research, mostly to find out if the type of games you generally play use invasive anticheat/drm or not, since those are the most likely to not run.
but I wont say protons perfect. I’ve had a few games with issues, some big, some small… All usually get fixed with time, though, and now those games run great.
But in the interest of laying it all bare, I will say the 1 enduring issue I have is how janky it is to get Vortex to work for modding games, specifically Skyrim and Fallout 4… but thats less a proton/linux issue, as it is a Vortex issue. Big strides would be made with a linux version, but Vortex is just jank in general, even on windows.
And To be clear, I say its jank. Not impossible. I modded the shit out of my Fallout 4 install just last night. but to do it I have to launch the game with STL, use that to launch vortex, the use vortex to launch F4SE.
Everyone in the comments: “Actually I don’t have the same problems so this is wrong”
That’s because Steam/Proton has mostly solved this (with some qualified notorious exceptions), which used to be a real problem even just a few years ago, but not remotely as much these days; the meme is mostly outdated by now, I’ve lived both cases and it used to be a pain but these days? people are spoiled by Valve and many have never lived the OP situation (which is great news!)
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Still applies though. “Oh but it used to be worse”
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Yeah, I mean, the best thing to do is to get it working ahead of time.
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I love Linux, but I never expect it to be mainstream or even extremely accessible to typical users. In fact, if it made it to mainstream, it’d probably get ruined somehow by corporate interference, monetization, etc. How you may ask? Well, corporations have a lot of money and influence and I’m sure they could “find a way” if motivated to do so.
I love Linux, but I never expect it to be mainstream or even extremely accessible to typical users
It already is mainstream. You probably own 10 times as many computers running Linux than Windows without even knowing it.
Desktop computers are a just a tiny part of the market.
it’d probably get ruined somehow by corporate interference, monetization, etc.
Yeah, it did. It’s called Android.
This is a dumb argument. Yes, my phone uses Linux. How many of the Android users actively come in contact with the underlying system?
Mainstream Linux means a big part of people actively choosing to install a Linux distribution or buy a computer or notebook with a real Linux distro pre installed (not that lightweight barebones distro they preinstall so they can sell it without Windows but with OS).
I use Gentoo, the family PC has OpenSUSE, only my wife’s laptop has Windows… Because guess what, she wants to use what she’s used to, what she knows.
Mainstream Linux means a big part of people actively choosing to install a Linux distribution or buy a computer or notebook
How is that mainstream? Desktop computers (including notebooks) are a niche market.
It’s always best to try it well ahead of time even if it’s just for having that shader cache setup and ready to go.
Also trying to get trainers to run is a bit of a nightmare. I use steamtinkerlauncher for that and it’s hit or miss I’d say.
Is this true anymore with Steams Version of Linux? For the most part shit runs fine on my steam deck
That used to be true a few years ago, but now games just works without any tinkering from my experience. Except some online games due to kernel level anti cheats (like Fortnite and Valorant), but I prefer single player games anyway
And some day 1 games lile starfield.
Makes sense. I only pay for games when they get discounted, so I didn’t know
Yeah I’ve never been big on competitive multiplayer, my Halo days were mostly campaign and due to thats what my friends were playing. So linux being blocked by competitive games is a non issue for me as well
Shit’s exactly the same, especially with Gamescope
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Meh. I definitely had issues getting bg3 working well on Linux.
Eventually I switched to windows and it was a nightmare of different and worse issues.
Back to Linux, found a fix. Sweet.
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Yeah give me a minute to install and setup proprietary Nvidia drivers, Retroarch, PCSX2, Lutris, Steam and Wine-staging along with all of the necessary dependencies. Worth it tho
