I don’t understand how Lemmy.world developers managed to surpass both Lemmy.ml and Beehaw.org instances in user activity.
Why did I create a Lemmy world account as opposed to beehaw or ml? Because it’s the first one I saw. Because it doesn’t matter. Because I don’t know what ml stands for. Because Lenny world said “general use.” Because I didn’t have to fill out an application. Because I can still interact with everything else, and again, it doesn’t matter.
And ml is?
the national tld for Mali, but the lemmy ml owners chose it for a “Marxist-Leninist” reference. no kidding.
fun fact - they* also deny genocides committed by (even nominally) communist regimes.
*a lot of them, and even those who don’t actively, still stick with the goons who do.
Oh dear, and I thought it was somehow related to machine learning/AI stuff
Do you have a source for that?
The real answer here in the comments. Glad I went with world. Though I only did it because it seemed like more people would gravitate toward thag name than the others.
That’s awesome. I am also a Communist that denies genocides. I guess I better pop on over to lemmy.ml
The top level domain of the Metherlands
Motherland if I’m not mistaken.
I joined because lemmy.sdf.org is often inaccessible. And also because lemmy.sdf.org blocked lemmy.world, so why not go straight to the source?
Seconded
The developer for RIF told me to come here. I figured that I should trust the person that created the app that I’ve used for hundreds of hours.
Same. Like the parent of a child grown up, RIF has been forced to let us go, but not without influencing our direction lol
My exact reason. Had the popup show.
Then I created my own instance
I was already playing around with Lemmy, and after a few weeks I checked back into RIF and saw his post, so I came over to .World.
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Does any of that make you think it’s SUPPOSED to be new user friendly?
They don’t have to be. They also don’t have to be federated.
Have people not learned anything from their reddit experience? Beehaw is extremely massive fed flags. Its literally the same exact toxic behavior that the uber mods that hoarded subreddits and got off from power would have.
Its not a good look and im shocked people support it…
Imagine getting tribalistic over a site which can have infinite clones and everyone can get the experience(s) they want.
The existence of Beehaw has no material impact on you whatsoever.
I didin’t get tribalistic. I just said I don’t understand. Maybe I missed the memo that said criticism and confusion is not allowed?
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How about you fucking relax? I was simply stating my criticsm and explaining that I don’t get it. I didin’t police anyone, I didint insult anyone, I just said from my point of view it makes no sense. Yet you handle a small criticsm with the social skills of a tantruming child…
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Have you tried gardening? Really helps me when I’m struggling to centre myself. You should see my hostas. They’re thriving. T H R I V I N G.
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Have you tried gardening? Really helps me when I’m struggling to centre myself. You should see my hostas. They’re thriving. T H R I V I N G.
Have you tried gardening? Really helps me when I’m struggling to centre myself. You should see my hostas. They’re thriving. T H R I V I N G.
Have you tried gardening? Really helps me when I’m struggling to centre myself. You should see my hostas. They’re thriving. T H R I V I N G.
I agree with you, but jeez man. Take it down a few notches.
If you’re having a bad day, I really hope it gets better.
Why the fuck do people equate being vehement with a fucking “bad day.” Maybe I’m just not a wallpaper paste motherfucker and have stronger opinions than your average wankbag.
I’m EXTRA STRENGTH WANKBAG.
Regardless of the how, I think it’s really cool that the top instance isn’t run by the devs. Really shows off the power and appeal of decentralized services.
Lemmy.ml had sign ups closed. Behaw required a short story or something to get accepted. Lemmy.world was accepting sign-ups wasn’t hosted somewhere shady and had active communities. It was a pretty easy choice. Assuming the admins have a pledge drive or something to host on AWS/GCP so we can get better burst capabilities I’d love to donate.
Donations to keep the lemmy.world instance up-and-running can be made through:
https://opencollective.com/mastodonworld or https://patreon.com/mastodonworld
@ruud does good work, and he’s a HELL of a good admin. I’d recommend that we all contribute in order to have a place to gather. I’ve been looking at the various solutions to the Reddit conundrum and, personally, I think that lemmy.world is our best bet at this point…
EDIT: I have no affiliation; I just think that we should pay it back however we can. It costs money to run servers and, even if we just “buy him a coffee,” every little bit helps IMO.
@Ruud has been great and Lemmy.world has very transparent so I will throw some cash their way. The mastodon.world blog is transparent with costs and financials which I appreciate.
I would love to see if they have a roadmap of how they plan to address the current surge of traffic or if they plan to just wait it out with their current VPS.
@Ruud has been great and Lemmy.world has very transparent so I will throw some cash their way. The mastodon.world blog is transparent with costs and financials which I appreciate.
I would love to see if they have a roadmap of how they plan to address the current surge of traffic or if they plan to just wait it out with their current VPS.
Lemmy.ml actively asked people to sign up elsewhere. They have a small server and aren’t meant to be a general instance.
Lemmy.world is run by people who have one of the larger Mastodon servers, and actively advertises to be open and neutral.
It’s also the devs server and they have Lemmy code to write. Can’t be spending time moderating.
And the other stuff
It’s also presented as the default on most apps, I believe
That’s a big one. People tend to go with the default
That’s why the apps on the official stores are so important. Convenience wins.
Rule of the defaults. Most people use whatever the default is. That’s why there is always a push to he the default thing. Microsoft pushes edge on their stuff, Google pushes chrome, apps pushes safari, etc.
That’s also why Google pays Apple $20 billion annually to be Safari’s default search engine. Most people can’t be bothered to change their defaults/don’t want to after having it as their default for so long.
That’s a problem that will reveal itself later. Decentralization goes away when everyone flocks to one server. Turns into Reddit 2.0
I’m not sure whether the issues plaguing Reddit really apply to lemmy, even with a single instance being disproportionately larger than the others, which makes “Reddit 2.0” a bit less derogatory to me. Reddit’s moderator tools were severely lacking for the required output (federation helps diffuse communities, and lemmy doesn’t encourage bots to swarm in order to increase apparent user numbers for investor satisfaction), every big anti-hate decision required a media spectacle to precede it (admins here aren’t free speech absolutists with authoritarian hard-ons), and staff retention at Reddit is an odd loop of promotion into managerial obsolescence which severely increases overhead (irrelevant to lemmy). Reddit 2.0 wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to me.
This is the correct answer. The devs have been saying this for years but new users often weren’t aware of this and saw it as the default instance. It’s good to see that’s changed.
Not to mention that signups on .ml is closed so you can’t join anyway
They’re not neutral though. They’ve already started defederating instances with users whose opinions they don’t like.
Well I said they advertise, not that they are.
I joined world before I knew what an instance was. When the RIF app shut down, the developer recommended lemmy.world. I honestly, thought it was a single website.
Samesies
Happens when you are one of the few allowing signups while others are blocking them.
For me honestly mostly the name. World. Seems like a default instance to me. What does ml even mean?
The name absolutely matters. Federation blah blah doesn’t matter what instance blah blah and all that.
But regular people will flock to a “normal” or “official” sounding name and url. I won’t be surprised if lemmy.world becomes the defacto instance
Yeah going forward I’m going to just recommend lemmy.world to people, straight to the point and avoid a lot of the confusion over what instance to pick
Hopefully, World gets its stability worked out.
Imagine it requires better hosting, which can be costly.
That’s why I went there as well. Seemed like the default.
I also chose mine because the name (haha funny ArchLinux meme - iusearchlinux.fyi) . But also because it didn’t sound like a default instance.
Main reason is, you gotta spread the load, the original purpose of federation is to share the costs so we can keep things affordable and prevent enshittification - not to dump it all on one instance, otherwise we might as well just turn Lemmy into a monolithic structure like Reddit, like YouTube, like Facebook, like Instagram, like Twitter and so on and so forth. We don’t want to outgrow donation funding. And we don’t want to make one instance “too big to block” lest it starts to enshittify or get greedy and gain too much power over the rest.
In my opinion, no instance should ever be considered the “default” of any federated platform.
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While I agree that spreading the load is important, that doesn’t make much sense to someone who’s new to federation and is possibly coming from reddit where you just join and start commenting. People are automatically searching for a default.
That and beehive whatever sounded like a niche community and not a good launching point
lol same
Marxism–Leninism (at least that’s what I made of it after hearing about the admins being tankies)
.world is a catchy top-level domain
It’s true. Before I migrated to lemmy.ca, I first subscribed to lemmy.world thinking it was the “official” instance.
Is there an easy way to move my account over without just making a new account and just manually reaubbing to everything?
Not right now but AFAIK that is in the works
They were also running on a beefier server. On my first week I tried several instances, but lemmy.world was the most consistently up that was also in jerboa.
it’s fitting too since Lemmy is soon gonna take over the world
Idk about other people, but I don’t really know how the instances work and the lemmy.world instance name seems the least abstract. Beehaw was confusing because it’s not called lemmy so idk if it’s a different thing or what, and idk what .ml means or stands for. Lemmy.world just looks like it’s the default lemmy instance to me as a dunce who doesn’t know how lemmy works.
I think you nailed it. It comes down to usability and user experience. Migrating from Reddit and not knowing shit about fuck, I obviously choose the largest sounding instance (.world). I still haven’t understood the whole thing yet, but the novelty is exciting and I’m willing to learn. Mass adoption needs a more streamlined experience though.
Signups were also open and easier on Lemmy.world
Honestly going for the ‘largest’ instance is kind of
dumbnaive. Smaller, faster instances provide a much better experience. Bigger is not better in the fediverse.The whole point is to decentralise power away from a single instance, CEO or monopoly. If you’re on a small instance you can still see all the content you want from all the other instances and you might even get a meaningful say in how your experience develops.
We don’t want to build another Reddit we want to build an alternative that is better structured.
Honestly going for the ‘largest’ instance is kind of dumb. Smaller, faster instances provide a much better experience. Bigger is not better in the fediverse.
Ok, but how is a new user supposed to know that?
Sorry ‘dumb’ might have been a bit harsh.
Then there should be a single unified sign up page that sends you to a random instance or something. You still need an easy onboarding process for less technical people
I don’t know, I kind of like that it’s something new to get your head around. It’s a pretty fundamentally different type of internet than what we have now. It reminds me of what it was like back in dial up days.
Is it really that dumb though? Small instances might provide a better experience until they close down.
But small instances are very low cost to run, so much so that a few donations from their users is usually enough to cover the costs and upkeep.
I signed up on lemmy.ca but their sublemmys aren’t as populated as here. Plus jerboa let’s me pick different instances.
I too do not know shit about fuck.
LOL Reminds me of how Chlamydia sounds like a beautiful name for a baby girl.
Ya it has a great domain name and didn’t require an email when I signed up at least. I’m thinking about spinning up my own instance on AWS though since the lag and “bad gateway” stuff is annoying.
Idk about other people, but I don’t really know how the instances work and the lemmy.world instance name seems the least abstract. Beehaw was confusing because it’s not called lemmy so idk if it’s a different thing or what, and idk what .ml means or stands for. Lemmy.world just looks like it’s the default lemmy instance to me as a dunce who doesn’t know how lemmy works.
Well put! I’m still very confused about “instances,” and the way people talk about them makes it seem like you need to sign up for each one? But that can’t be right, that would be way too confusing! Right? Lol.
Lemmy.world also seems like the best place to ask questions. Everyone I’ve encountered has been very helpful, and I see a lot of people talking about how positive the community is. So I’m trying to just sit back and enjoy the ride!
Imagine phone companies. An instance is like Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile or any other provider.
If you want to talk to your friends, it doesn’t really matter what instance they’re on.
A Verizon customer can still call a AT&T customer no problem. A Verizon customer doesn’t need to also sign up for AT&T to do that. It all just… works.People talking about different instances is like people talking about different phone companies. “Verizon’s coverage is better” or “T-Mobile has better support” or that kinda thing.
All the analogies to mobile providers reminds me of the time when they’re was no interoperability for mms. Sms iirc worked but you better have the same company as a friend if you wanted to send that grainy vga photo you just took with your fancy new razr.
I signed up on lemmy.ca yet you signed up on lemmy.world. We can interact though.
This community we are interacting on is in lemmy.world’s instance but since our two instances are federated (work together like many others) we can interact in general and through any community in our instances or other instances that are federated with ours.
And are usernames unique across instances or can anyone copy anyone else’s username by signing up somewhere else with the same name or just making a new instance?
Usernames are only unique within servers, just like with email addresses. there’s only one john@gmail.com but john@yahoo.com is a different person
Yes! I have the same exact question.
I see nobody else explained, so I might as well.
Each instance has their own users, communities and rules. A user can subscribe to any community on any instance that’s not blocked. Sometimes it’s important to know the rules of the instance the community is on, because different things are allowed.
If I’m a user on lemmy.srv.eco, for example, I can still subscribe to any lemmy.world community and post/comment/vote just like a lemmy.world user.
The only real downside of being on a smaller instance is that you’ll have to do a bit more work actively subscribing to things. An instance only pulls in a community if at least one user subscribes to it. On a big server, your all is very full of communities as there are more people subscribing to more diverse things. On a smaller instance, you’ll need to do that yourself.
The advantage of being on a smaller instance is that with less load on the server, it’ll work much faster.
Similar for me – but add onto it, when I joined, lemmy.world was the only one of the top 3 most populated instances (with lemmy.ml and beehaw) that had open registration
Fellow Dunce here, exact same thought process for me.
Not sure what’s a dunce, but I guess I’m one too as I concur
My leading theory is that both lemmy.world and lemmy.ml were in a list of 5+ “recommended” communities, and “world” is the only recognizable word that implies all-inclusivity. And now that the world population is so high, more people will assume that is the “default/correct” community.
I joined world because I figured it was a global community, and did not want to limit myself before I even knew what I was joining into. I may end up making 2 or 3 accounts just to have access to separate, possibly defederated, communities.
When I saw the Lemmy posts making the rounds on Reddit it was all for Lemmy.World, probably why its getting more pop.
I have active accounts in other instances to mimic the multi functionality, where I joined different communities.
this is spot on. that’s exactly how it went for me and probably most others.
lemmy.world is defederated from beehaw, which is why I’m not on it.
I chose Lemmy.ee largely because they are federated with every major instance.
Precisely why I may end up with a multi-Lemmy
They weren’t selective about who is joining (unless people were absolute douches) and the community is pretty much nice to get along with.
When I was joining ~a month ago the situation was very different
I tried lemmy.one - had some issues joining
I saw beehaw.org - no downvotes - not my jam
I saw lemmygrad.ml - too political for my tastes
I saw sopuli.xyz - most of local posts and server maintenance posts were in language I don’t speak - maybe I can find something fitting me more?
I saw lemmy.world - small but not looking like private, in Europe, so pings should be ok and description seemed fine
I also saw lemmy.ml - seemed like the main instance with the most users - having some understanding of federation from Mastodon migration I decided to spread the load…And here we are :D
