some more discussion of CIA infiltration in anarchist publications here https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2021/10/15/cointelpro-fbi-anarchism-disrupt-left/
we’ve received some reports, so a PSA for Hexbear users: sectarianism is allowed on Lemmygrad as long as it’s not uncritical
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Also in no reasonable sense can criticism of right wing anarchism be considered sectarianism, I think we will all agree there is a certain sect of ‘anarchist’ that can be more clearly defined as being concered primarly with anti-communism and maintaining liberal hegemony.
Alliance with Nazi Germany
War with Nazi Germany
Well, shit. How come both of these things are listed as a problem? Feels like if one was bad then the other wouldn’t be?
Maybe they’re upset about the order in which they happened?
Once again shitting on USSR’s space program. This time with “BUT WHAT’S THE COST” argument.
In the most ignorant way even, by then the USSR was food secure.
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I don’t think you can fully or mostly blame world communist movements for being reliant on the USSR. The USSR and other communist movements always face an uphill battle against centuries of propaganda, imperialism, and oppression. It makes sense that the most theoretically and technologically advanced and well-supplied and financially well-off country to foot the bill in order to spread socialism, though I agree that in certain circumstances the USSR did constrain movements and leaders too tightly.
Didn’t the live expectancy rise continually during its existence except during the wars and 1991?
Actually, that’s the one point that isn’t accurate. The life expectancy stagnated since the 1970s, in the USSR and in Warsaw Pact states.
However, countries like Cuba continued rising in life expectancy at a steady pace (except for 1991-1994 for some reason) famously to the point of beating the United States of America.
True to an extent.
I don’t know any M-Ls that won’t admit this when in discussion with other left tendencies (especially when it comes to Spain). I’d like to think Marxists have learned from past mistakes. It’d be nice if anarchists did the same so we could focus on the more immediate picture rather than on historical feuds between different factions a century ago.
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Can you give an example? I mean, providing context for a Soviet decision or elaborating on why the USSR did something doesn’t necessarily mean someone agrees with it.
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What’s the difference between rationalising something and insisting on treating it in its historical and political economic context?
I note as an aside that almost every time someone puts the Ukraine war into context, a lib will claim that this must be (uncritical) support for Russia/Putin. But one doesn’t necessarily follow the other. (I’m giving libs the benefit of the doubt here, as I don’t think most know the difference between critical and uncritical support.)
How does one add nuance if those who’ve already come to a conclusion reject the nuance as rationalisation (apologia?) for leading to a revised conclusion.
I’m betting CIA mouthpiece, there’s just so much ML smearing on the front page it’s stupid to think they might legit. Also, it’s not 1920 and the USSR no longer exists! Your average worker does in fact give no shits about what happened 100 years ago!
Truly a waste of time for most, if this was a “party line” release then it maybe could make sense. But it’s not, and so is stupid.
I’ve always found the fixation on the negative aspects of USSR really weird, and frankly dishonest. USSR was a product of its conditions, and it’s absurd to claim that such problems are somehow inherent in communism. If there is ever a successful communist project in the west, it’s necessarily going to be rooted in the culture and material conditions present at the time. Incidentally, this is precisely why China says that their system isn’t meant to be copied directly by other countries, it’s a product of conditions in China.
Exactly! However if you try to reason being a communist or advocating communism in Poland most will end the conversation with a thought terminating cliche. Here are few:
- You want to recreate PRL 1:1 !(Of course by PRL they mean the martial law period 🙄)
- No oranges, no bananas! (mUh tReAtS)
- ❄️🍑 (self explanatory)
They completely ignore reality and think within the propaganda they’ve been taught or have internalized.
Indeed, and this is why the right is now growing rapidly. People become disillusioned with the liberal mainstream and they’ve internalized rejecting the ideas from the left which leaves the right. It also helps that right wing ideas aren’t all that dissimilar from neoliberal ideas making the transition easier. Hence why places like Poland and Hungary are now run by the far right.
yea
no off-season imports from colonized regions? MFW communists failed to bring oranges from south africa when its winter there and summer on soviet union
Martial law sanctions moment
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shits on Lenin
Praises Norway
Don’t know if it’s western “lefties”, anarchists or what. Whoever they are - they’re a joke
NATO leftists. They live in countries that are a part of NATO and want to feel like a revolutionary badass to their conservative families while still parroting pro-NATO propaganda. Japanese “leftists” that do the same shit are honorary members.
That’s just pathetic
Wow, I can’t believe Lenin was personally responsible for all that horrible stuff that happened decades after he died! He truly was ahead of his time!
What’s the difference?
I see nothing wrong… with this bit:
Gorbachov
This entire image reads like a joke to me
Why are anarchists so vulnerable to subversion? Communist orgs have been infiltrated no less than anarchists (probably more thoroughly tbh), but we don’t get subverted as often by the feds. No, don’t mention trots please.
Is it because of their theoretical basis in idealism? The lack of a true vanguard party? Due to our historical antagonism?they have no actual theory or organisation to resist attempts to divide and conquer, and they generally havent rejected western propaganda.
Partly a negative answer for you: it’s not necessarily a lack of anything in anarchist theory so much as the presence of theory in ML orgs. Maybe that’s the same thing? I’ll explain my thinking. An ML group can’t generally start coming out with anti-communist shit because it would be an immediate red flag. It would be an obvious honeypot from a mile away.
ML groups that kept the line after Khrushchev’s secret speech might be infiltrated but it would stand out too much to try to get them to say they’ve now changed their minds – especially as MLs are confident that even more evidence is now available that shows they were right about the main points all along.
It’s kind of expected for anarchists to reject AES, so state department messaging blends right in. That’s not to say ML orgs don’t come out with outrageous shite, either, like transphobia, but it’s harder to publicly denounce the fundamental principles that MLs have long agreed on.
This is why I like Sakai’s talk on security. The main message is that one of the best defences is learning to spot bad politics. Technical security, etc, is important, but humans will ever be the weakest link. That weakness can be identified in bad politics, in those without consistent principles. Anarchists may have consistent principles but when one of those is ‘state authority is bad’ their orgs can naturally be used as a mouthpiece for criticising states the CIA doesn’t like.
Edit: Indeed, it seems that many non-MLs will say such things of their own accord, so some don’t even need to be infiltrated.
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More your typical anarchist publication
