This is the real reason for the ban.
“National security” just translates to “public opinion of the war(s)”
And yet they were trying to ban it years before any of that happened…
There are boatloads of wars usa tries to hide all the time
The last time the US was not involved in a war was 1998
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Mitt Romney might just be the only member of the GOP with at least a single honest bone in his body.
So that’s who the democrats will run in 2028
Irritatingly plausible. I’m going to be stoked if we get another election at all though.
We will. A free and fair one, though? Outlook not so good.
What’s the point of elections when it’s always already pre bought? AIPAC already bought everyone who would run for election; however, something happened on twitter and Trump and his goons are really upset at israel now.
Well we’ll have an actual primary if there’s an election so if he gets through a democratic primary, that’s on democrat voters. I also don’t think he wants to run.
very funny to see the results of the last few dem primaries and still think that voters choose who the candidate will be
Voters not seeing that they’re getting played is its own problem. DNC can push whoever, up to voters to decide whether to follow or push back.
Still an evil fuck.
Yeah, its just nice when they’re honest about it.
US republicans will be like: “8 men should own this country and everyone else can die in the gutter”. US democrats will be like: “We need to reframe the conversation about the lived experiences of so many of our constituents, and reach solutions that include these realities [policies not different from those above]”.
Democrats are evil fucks too. But not evil enough that I’m going to give Mitt Romney any credit.
They’re evil enough. If complete support for yet another genocide isn’t “evil enough” I wonder what might do it.
The least evil fuck is still an evil fuck.
This isn’t a statement rooted in honesty or morality. This is saying the quiet part out loud.
I guess I am going to give my kids access to my VPN I don’t trust the government at all any more
You should absolutely have your kids use a VPN.
Yeah I have it set up on the home network I just never set it up on their cells
Palestinians getting to broadcast the horrors visited upon them by zionists is bad. /s
So let me get this straight…
The Tiktok ban, that was first proposed in Jan 2020, and was banned from government devices in Dec 2022, was getting first drafts for laws banned in Dec 2022, another law was proposed to block in nationwide in Jan 2023, was further restricted in March of 2023, and was signed into law to banned Tiktok nation wide on April 2023 (to be completely removed by Jan 2025) is solely being done to censor information about a conflict that started in Oct 2023…
Yeah, check outs. 👍
The law was April 2024, so you know, after October 2023. The sudden political push to get that done instead of stall out line 2020-2023 is what’s being talking about.
Sorry, I confused it with to the RESTRICT act (Mar 2023), which is similar to the 2024 law.
You referenced March 2023 as a restriction though, so it seems like you were aware. Between March 2023 and April 2024 something changed the political momentum, which is plainly stated, though you’re refuting with what appears to be an incorrect timeline.
If you make the point simpler it works. “We are banning tiktok because it is a social media platform we have no ability to censor” with this in mind it makes sense to say “its because of isreal-palastine” because that is just a facet of not having control over platform censorship.
If you really believe that when they say they are getting rid of tiktok it is for national security you’re a fucking rube, they have been taking away our freedoms for decades under the guise of national security, they sure as fuck dont consider it any sort of threat that any of the American social media platform would sell your data do a hostile foreign power. They want it gone because A) they cannot control what spreads on it, and B) their rich owners arnt profiting from it.
If you want to argue that any social media platform dying is a good thing, then i can at least sympathize (thought id argue this isnt a step in the direction of getting rid of social media in general), but if you think banning tiktok is about anything more than corruption you’re a rube.
If you make the point simpler it works. “We are banning tiktok because it is a social media platform we have no ability to censor”
I won’t argue against that.
with this in mind it makes sense to say “its because of isreal-palastine” because that is just a facet of not having control over platform censorship.
This part is illogical though. Claiming that due to a future event, we went back in time to block/and-or control a message makes no sense. This was my entire point. They are blocking it for many reasons and have been for years, but claiming the whole reason they spent years attempting to block it because of a single event that happened years later makes no sense.
Claiming that due to a future event
You misunderstand, I am saying that the original idea can be about inability to control. Then seeing anti isreal sentiment on tiktok, and you can say “see we were right, this is what we knew would happen”.
Or in other words, congress doesnt exist in a time void, they have the ability to predict future outcomes and legislate against them. You dont have to know isreal palastine is going to be the new thing, but you know that there will be a next thing and 100% it will play poorly if you cant control the narrative (i.e. lie to people)
single event that happened years later makes no sense.
The genocide of palestinians didn’t begin in 2022. And the above commenter is correct, the US wants full control of its social media in order to spread pro-US foreign policy views, and tiktok is a threat to that.
The genocide of palestinians didn’t begin in 2022
Never said it did. I did say/indicate that it was never a social/political issue until 2023. Things can happen for a long time, but take a sudden change to make it a big issue.
In fact, please, I would love to see anything political about Israel/Palestine in US politics/policy attempting/intended to make Israel look better on regards to Palestine (as is implied in the article) that predates Oct 2023. As you’ve, and others, have pointed out (I already knew, since it dates to biblical times), that it’s been an issue for so long, then this should be simple. It keeps trying to be pointed out that the Oct 2023 event seemed to mean nothing about it, so you or anyone else should have no problems with this.
Bonus points for showing how it relates to Tiktok before that date too, which again with everyone’s insistence about it, should be no problems at all.
I don’t think it’s the reason
The Israelis have effectively been committing genocide in slow motion for decades
The real reason is the American Oligarchs don’t like foreign competition to their data collection.
The second someone starts showing American war crimes they are a security risk. But Americans somehow still believe in free speech.
Everyone moving to The Little Red Book (or “RedNote”) is creating some very funny interactions, lmao. Super cute honestly
What happened to us (Americans)? We used to look down on Soviet propaganda and book burning; congratulating ourselves on our free speech. Now we’re burning books and outlawing news sources that don’t abide by the official propaganda. It’s sickening.
Because our empire is collapsing
Entropy will not be denied.
Rome always fall to the corruption of its elite run amuck.
Don’t forget the lead poisoning. Something else America has in common with the Romans.
You guys are actively collapsing it.
Who and how?
The US has always had propaganda and book burning, it’s just really good at projection. Hell, even D&D was attacked for being “satanic.”
Lol, classic American. Sees Americans doing bad things in America in a way that America has always done: “what are we, a bunch of Russians!”
did you miss the red scare? it’s always been this way
You’re moving out of golden age and into the ‘find out’ stage.
Yes because nobody is talking about the Palestine/Israel situation on any other social media platforms. /s
The more likely reason is that it’s a social media company that the government currently has zero control over. Being owned by a (Taiwanese?) company the US can’t ask them to track data and the CIA/FBI can’t fill it with propaganda or whatever else they want.
Yes because nobody is talking about the Palestine/Israel situation on any other social media platforms. /s
But are they?
I know they are on Fediverse sites, but is it really being discussed on Twitter and Facebook?
Reddit, twitter, Facebook, Twitch, YouTube, tiktok and now Lemmy. I can’t think of a single social media site I’ve used in the last year that didn’t have people talking about Palestine in one way or another.
It’s why I doubt the claim that the US government is specifically trying to ban tiktok because of the Palestine/Israel situation. They wanted TikTok gone before the October 7th 2023 attack.
I believe it’s more likely a nation security issue being owned by a Chinese company than anything to do with Palestine whatsoever.
This just shows that you haven’t been paying attention. Pro-palestine content is moderated off those platforms as “anti-semitic”. Raise your hand below if reddit has banned you for being anti-zionist.
I’ve been paying attention. I could open any of those sites and find pro Palestine comments/post/content/profiles within 30 seconds.
I would be willing to bet you got banned from reddit for just being a regular old fashioned antisemite. You can call it “anit-zionist” or whatever you want, but that is still just being antisemitic with extra mental gymnastics.
Just because it’s not the front page of every single website known to mankind doesn’t mean pro Palestine content is being moderated off those platforms. More likely they are removing the many many pro Palestinian posts that also happen to also be antisemitic which is a lot of it.
And before you get mad at me I’ve been blaming the Jews for all my problems since I was a kid (jokingly) because of South Park. Technically I’m quoting Cartman and I don’t actually mean any of it, but I do probably say “I blame the Jews” at least once a day.
1 comment later, equating anti-zionism with anti-semitism.
The /s at the end means he was being sarcastic.
But truthfully, there are some places (such as isolated bubbles on Facebook, I would expect) where people honestly believe that opposition to Israel is based on antisemitism, being unaware of the genocide.
The /s at the end means he was being sarcastic.
Right, which leads me to believe that they are implying that people are talking about the Palestine / Israel situation on other platforms.
I don’t go on FB often, but when I do I never see anything on there about Israel. I never go on Twitter, but from what I’ve heard any mention of genocide is met with accusations of antisemitism and the conversation is shut down.
It’s based in China, not Taiwan. (They are different countries, IMO.)
My apologies, I got the Asian countries all jumbled up in my head. The CEO of TikTok is from Singapore, but the parent company of TikTok (ByteDance) is Chinese.
So throw in a layer of national security concerns and it makes far more logical sense why they want to have China sell the US side of TikTok to an American owned company.
I still don’t think the Palestine situation has much of anything to do with what’s going on with the US governments distain for TikTok. They didn’t like it way before the Israel/Palestine situation kicked off again.
I maybe see it on threads but nothing on YouTube shorts. Like nothing whatsoever, reels is the only other place I see them. If you look at what has been popular especially what was popular in tags in December 2023, Free Palestine tags got hundreds of millions of views and likes while pro israeli tag got 2.5m. The Palestinian genocide js 100% why they’re banning it.
Real ‘chicken or egg’ vibes with that one
What a shitty government you have if the truth puts it on danger. I see why Russia and China appeal to this information (and misinformation) war, seems like the US people has grown to be very gullible, so whoever controls the narrative, controls them. And totally self inflicted, your own government did this to you so they could control you better.
so is tiktok the main place for Palestinian content these days? it seems to have chilled out everywhere else now the election is over
